Agressive Expantion from allies wargoals

[misiceman]

Hey all,

I just started an ottoman game to see how the opener would change to my old one, everything was going as expected when qara popped syria for some reason. Not looking a gift horse i decided to vasalize then fight the Malmuks for her cores. The Casus says 25 % AE. the wargoal screen says the AE is going to Syria and not me and yet i get the full AE with no reductions. I am so confused right now. Is this just a bug or have i gone a little batty in the brain. the difference is returning some cores and a massive coalition (it turned into 101 AE for me which just doesn't make sense.)

Thanks for your input all.

 

[SacredDatura]

Yes, you actually gain AE for directly giving land to your vassal, even though the peace screen says only your vassal does. As far as I can tell though giving land to your allies does not incur you any AE.

 

[aschack]

If you use the peace deal option to return cores to your vassal it'll cost you no AE, but it will cost you diplomatic points.

 

[Morricane]

Yes...you gain AE for taking provinces, vassals included - since technically "they" are "you"
Also be aware that YOU STILL PAY DIPLO PTS when giving a vassal a province via changing occupation to him in a war.

Well, since they fabricate claims now and so on this is all to prevent being able to expand without a) AE and b) paying any admin or diplo at all.

 

[aschack]

You pay the same for giving vassal's land as you do for giving yourself land. If you have a claim, it doesn't cost diplo points even when giving it to your vassal and vice versa.
If you use one of the CBs that make provinces cost 0 diplo (Holy War, Overseas Expansion etc.), it'll still cost no diplo points when giving it to your vassal.

But the AE-free core return can be worth it at times. Taking 128 base tax off of Ming (who had 100% autonomy so even 12 BT provinces cost 1% warscore) would've given me many hundreds if not thousands of AE - but instead returning cores to Zhou, Shun and Xi made it cost no AE but around 750 diplo points. It's a trade off that's worth considering now.

 

[lordelenath]

It makes sense to gain the AE if you take provinces for your vassals. However, the CB you use doesn't matter. If you declare war for the cores of your vassal, cede them the sieges and get them their provinces in the peace deal you'll accumulate roughly the same AE as if you'd taken the provinces for yourself without so much as a claim.

 

[Illianor123]

The overlord gets the AE of any vassals they have, because they are in charge.

Another example is if you give land to an ally's vassal, the vassal's overlord will get the AE.

You don't see all the modifiers to the AE, but just the base value for the vassal. So any vassal AE is likely higher than depicted.