Agressive expansion and Coalitions+Peace Options.

[AdAstra]

Evening. Just expressing myself after latest game:


Now there should be PEACE OPTIONS as follows IF Coalition TARGET WINS the war against the Coalition.


Coalition target should be able to enforce "Reset Aggressive Expansion" malus.

Coalition target should be able to enforce "Longer Peace Time".

Coalition target should be able to enforce" Disarmament" or "Heavy Reparations".

Coalition target should be able to enforce "Reset Relations" on target members of its choice.



Now I find having a war against same Coalition with same countries and same CB after peace expires constantly. That does not limit my expansion, it is really annoying, considered I am not interested in their lands or money I just want some peaceful time on some part of my Empire.

 

[Unthariel]

Sorry but I disagree with all points. Ok maybe not with reparations but with all the others.

With what you're suggesting, the idea of coalitions would basically be killed. Coalitions are supposed to be deterrent to an aggressive expansion. And if you actually win against the coalition this doesn't mean that they suddenly want to stop being in the coalition and that you are suddenly no longer a threat (I'm refering to "Reset Aggressive Expansion" and "Reset Relations"). As for "Longer Peace Time", that can be so easily exploited where you defeat a coalition when it's not as strong and then have a lot of time to actually expand somewhere else which again kills the point of coalitions against an aggressor...

 

[Rubidium]

If you have large aggressive expansion, it implies that you have been expanding rapidly. Of course your neighbors are going to be nervous, and will want to league themselves against you to slow down your expansion. If you've already beat them all once, that's all the more reason not to try to go it alone. I'm not sure what "Reset Aggressive Expansion" and "Reset Relations" even mean thematically: "I'm going to sack your cities until you like me?"

Reparations already exist in game; you can demand money as part of the peace offer. Transferring tradepower does something similar as well. Since that affects how many troops they can afford, it indirectly affects disarmament as well. And obviously, you can release vassals or the like to weaken them further.

More broadly, there needs to be some risk to massive aggressive expansion, or world conquest would be too easy.

 

[Drakken]

It took seven coaltions to put an end to Napoleon's regime. He not only won against, but trounced through and wiped the floor with the first five.

You want them to stop, start by giving some space in exchange of time. Accept to transform some of your conquests into vassals, or give back some other power's cores that you don't really need.

 

[Goldor2005]

Or just crush them and take their shit so they can't come back and fight you again .

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

You want them to stop, start by giving some space in exchange of time. Accept to transform some of your conquests into vassals, or give back some other power's cores that you don't really need.

Now, that is just excessive. What happened to the good old, "split the coalition by identifying weak links that hate and fear other countries nearly as much as they hate and fear you, then set your rivals to match their rivals and send a diplomat to improve relations and see if you are lucky enough that they'll drop out of the coalition against you and join a coalition against their other fearsome neighbour"? Minimal cost for you, potential huge reward in cutting the coalition down to size. (Depends on exactly how hated you are in the first place, of course, but I consider it worth a try given the low cost.)