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A hint to all folks posting in the thread: look at the CK2 wiki page for "A Game of Thrones" before asking for something to be fixed. Many things which might seem to be a bug are actually WAD - I tried to cram all of them into the page.
 

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After Queen Rhonda's first husband died, I was given a number of options regarding how she might deal with it. I decided she should seek solace in the arms of another and she took a new lover. However, this lover ended up being a certain Lady Shierle. Now, since Rhonda did not have the trait "Homosexual", I found this a bit odd, but since she was past child-bearing age, it didn't really influence gameplay at all. Still, it's something odd you might want to check out. Really, it seems like there are lots of things that don't quite fit for female rulers (like the way you can fight in a trail by combat and the overuse of the pronoun "he"), but this is something I've noticed in both vanilla and this mod.

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In my current Tyrell game, I had several daughters as Willas, the King of the Reach but no sons. The succession law was Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture, the default one - and I can't change that even if I wanted to because there is always a vassal with a negative opinion of me and I can't really boost the relations because the gift boost is ridiculously low (+10, yeah, I applied the hotfix).



Anyway, I have this daughter, the eldest one, who is of course my heir. I decided to give her to the Silent Sisters in the intrigue menu to boost my score (I had several daughters so my line was secure). The result was that she got the trait Silent Sister that come with "bastard" trait, too. Fine. That was what I suspected.



What was a surprise was that she was still my heir. And, because of that, I got of course huge warnings that "You have no heir for your dynasty!" So, obviously, being a silent sister doesn't remove the person from succession.



I couldn't do anything to counter that. I couldn't change my heir, because of primogeniture. I couldn't remove her being a "bastard" (which causes the no-heir-for-your-dynasty->game-over problem) anymore, of course. I couldn't send her to a suicide mission, the thing you can do with sons (put them in charge of ridiculously small force and send that contingent to war), because she was, well, a girl. Of course I could have assassinate her but it didn't feel fair. Apparently I could have married her to someone matrilineally (I understand the characters in so-called celibate institutions - the Nightswatch, Kingsguard, Silent Sisters, Maesters - are still able to marry, right?) and hope that she would still produce me an heir regardless her celibate trait, but I thought it was still unlikely. Her getting a son would have caused the succession "skip" one generation. Of course I could have waited and hoped that my beloved wife Cersei could produce me son, which could have removed the problem, but it was unlikely, too, she was 52. And I didn't want to kill her or divorce her to get a new wife to give me a son.


So, is this a bug or WAD, the "bastard" trait not removing a character from succession? I haven't seen this with "regular" bastards - bastards born out of wedlock. If this is work as intended I will be very careful with my children joining Silent Sisters, Kingsguard etc...
 

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Don't know if it counts as a bug, or a simple error, but Greatjon and Smalljon seem to have lost their tall trait in the latest version. They should both be both Tall and Strong. That's kind of the Umbers' whole schtick.

Also, in a recent time playing the Riverlands in the War of the Usurper, I noticed that Edmure Tully had the Knight trait. Quite impressive, as he was 9 years old. Even Barristan the Bold waited till he was ten to start jousting, if I recall correctly...

And finally, Littlefinger has a martial trait that's way too high. The one actual fight he got into in his life, he got his ass handed to him by Brandon Stark. Also he seems to have lost the weak trait at some point.
 

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So, since i'm a moron and can't find it anywhere on the web.... What does WAD stand for? Contextually it seems like stuff the developers know about and is already is a newer version, but I can't find anything specific.

Also, best mod ever made for anything ever. If you guys break off and keep this sort of feudal style game, but add actual combat tactics, I would quit my job and be your cupbearer.
 

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So, since i'm a moron and can't find it anywhere on the web.... What does WAD stand for? Contextually it seems like stuff the developers know about and is already is a newer version, but I can't find anything specific.

Also, best mod ever made for anything ever. If you guys break off and keep this sort of feudal style game, but add actual combat tactics, I would quit my job and be your cupbearer.

WAD = Work As Designed. Refers to sometimes strange things in gameplay which are NOT bugs but things that are intended, possibly to counter some other things. So when something in the game or mod is WAD, it is deliberate and intended, not an accident.
 

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This isn't a bug, per se, but I was playing as the Iron King and had declared war on the Storm King over my wife's claim to the Reach (which was a part of the Storm King's realm). Eventually I won, but as soon as The Reach became independent, it became a vassal of the Iron Throne and the heir of The Reach is now my second son instead of my first (because holding's can't pass out of the realm they're in). So, is this working as intended? I find it odd that I liberated a Lord Paramount from an independent King and then they instantly declared their fealty to the Iron Throne because the "Mega War" is over. I suppose part of the problem might have been that my wife is a Stormlander rather than a Reachman, so she couldn't become Queen of the Reach, but still, this seems a pretty bizarre turn of events.
 

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This isn't a bug, per se, but I was playing as the Iron King and had declared war on the Storm King over my wife's claim to the Reach (which was a part of the Storm King's realm). Eventually I won, but as soon as The Reach became independent, it became a vassal of the Iron Throne and the heir of The Reach is now my second son instead of my first (because holding's can't pass out of the realm they're in). So, is this working as intended? I find it odd that I liberated a Lord Paramount from an independent King and then they instantly declared their fealty to the Iron Throne because the "Mega War" is over. I suppose part of the problem might have been that my wife is a Stormlander rather than a Reachman, so she couldn't become Queen of the Reach, but still, this seems a pretty bizarre turn of events.

I have noticed that, too. My situation is more straightforward one: The LPship (in my case the Westerlands) I am trying to inherit to the family is not an independent one, just a regular Lord Paramountship under the Iron Throne, and I am the King of the Reach (quite obviously independent from the Iron Throne). But in any case I can't make one person, my firstborn daughter, an heir to both the Westerlands and my Kingdom of the Reach. Neither the Westerlands, the Iron Throne or the Reach has High Crown Authority, which prevents titles to pass away from a realm (we all have either Autonomous vassals or Low Crown Authority). But it seems that it is the case anyway, my second daughter is the heir for Westerlands, not the oldest one.

Because I can't swear fealty to the Iron Throne anymore, it seems that the only option is probably to have to wait for both parents to pass away and then wage war against a sibling to unite the lands. I just wouldn't want to declare war to the Iron Throne....
 

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I have noticed that, too. My situation is more straightforward one: The LPship (in my case the Westerlands) I am trying to inherit to the family is not an independent one, just a regular Lord Paramountship under the Iron Throne, and I am the King of the Reach (quite obviously independent from the Iron Throne). But in any case I can't make one person, my firstborn daughter, an heir to both the Westerlands and my Kingdom of the Reach. Neither the Westerlands, the Iron Throne or the Reach has High Crown Authority, which prevents titles to pass away from a realm (we all have either Autonomous vassals or Low Crown Authority). But it seems that it is the case anyway, my second daughter is the heir for Westerlands, not the oldest one.

Because I can't swear fealty to the Iron Throne anymore, it seems that the only option is probably to have to wait for both parents to pass away and then wage war against a sibling to unite the lands. I just wouldn't want to declare war to the Iron Throne....

It turns out the "Mega War" system is also broken when it comes to Kingdoms aside from The Iron Throne. I ended up cheating to get the The Reach as a vassal (you have about a three day period between when the war ends and when the the Lord Paramount returns to the Iron throne), since it would have become part of my Kingdom once the Lady I installed died (since she was my wife). Well, a few years later, there's a "Mega War" over a a de iure title claim north of the Wall and the Reach breaks away from my kingdom (it didn't declare independence, the Mega War just broke it away from me as it joined in the King on the Iron Throne's claim on The Haunted Forest). Then, after the tiniest Mega War, The Reach becomes reincorporated into the Kingdom of the Iron Throne. The system is definitely broken when it comes to Lords Paramounts as vassals of Kingdoms and Lords Paramounts in relation to Kingdoms.
 

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Maybe it has already reported though...

Playing with normal winter, the winter has come after ca. 10 years, and some provinces got winter modifiers but they recovered quickly from the winter. Is it WAD?