Aggressive expansion working as intended among allies?

[taranaki]

So I (country A) am suing for peace after winning the war, warscore @98%, and obviously everytime I demand another provence from country B the "aggressive expansion" modifier goes up among neighbors including my ally (country C). However when I try to make country B cede a provence to my ally, the aggressive epansion still goes up in a way that my ally gets even MORE angry at me (ie my ally gets angry at my "expansion" when in reality it is they who are getting land)! They are essentially upset that I am giving them territory? You would think that any possessions going to allies would not increase the "aggressive expansion" modifier for them. It seems broken to me.

 

[Illanair]

No - They are worried about your expansion in general. Nobody likes a neighbor that is worryingly big and expanding. It is exactly the same concept as Infamy, except on a "per country" basis. People further away care less than your immediate neighbors.

 

[unmerged(226525)]

No - They are worried about your expansion in general. Nobody likes a neighbor that is worryingly big and expanding. It is exactly the same concept as Infamy, except on a "per country" basis. People further away care less than your immediate neighbors.

No, he knows that. He is saying that his ally is complaining when he conquers territory for his ally. His ally should be happy that he is feeding him land.

Question for taranaki - does your ally get "received land" positive modifier or something like that, which cancels the aggressive expansion modifier? ie
- 20 aggressive expansion
+ 30 feeding me land

 

[Illanair]

Ah - My bad. Yeah that does seem a little silly to be honest. If anything the ally should receive all of the expansion penalties.

 

[taranaki]

I cant save the game, so I didnt go through with giving them the land, though I wish I had now just to test it. Perhaps they do give you a happiness modifier for feeding them, but ironically the aggressiveness penalty (of how much my ally specifcally hated me) for feeding them was higher than what I was getting for giving myself land. Its not just that everyone was mad at me for feeding my ally (which i could understand), but that my ally specifically did not like me doing it

 

[Nassau]

Same in EU3, you got a hit for getting your ally land.

 

[burny26]

Good idea OP .Im sure PDS would code in such a thing in time.

 

[Olib]

Whether you are keeping it or giving it away you are still taking peoples lands by force.

Giving the new "infamy" modifier to the ally would just be abuse-able.

 

[Illanair]

Whether you are keeping it or giving it away you are still taking peoples lands by force.

Giving the new "infamy" modifier to the ally would just be abuse-able.

The ally would still have to accept the lands, so no. It isn't abuse able. And even still, the ally could return the lands to the previous owner.

 

[taranaki]

Well im not saying the ally should get "aggressive expansion" penalties. What I am saying is that the ally shouldnt be mad specifically at me for "expanding", when I am giving THEM the land. Everyone else should still be mad at me for that act, but my ally shouldnt view me worse for helping them out. The bilateral relationship modifier of "aggressive expansion" should still apply for every other country, except the one I am giving land to.

 

[Lessing]

Countries that get something out of the peace deal you make should not get an aggressive expansion malus towards you.

 

[Gemberkoekje]

Countries that get something out of the peace deal you make should not get an aggressive expansion malus towards you.

I agree, or at worst be seriously reduced, it can't be that you get a net negative modifyer by adding land to an ally.