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I am 43, started strategy with board games like Risk and Diplomacy. In the 1980s played on Commodore C-64, later Commodore Amiga and then PC since the early 90s.
Most enjoied strategy games and flight Simulators (Microprose in the 90s you know).

But I got only into Paradox games with Victoria (1), because of the quite rare setting.

Just like to OP, I have a 10 year old son... however, he is not that interested in strategy games, rather some Marvel Heroes or DC Heroes games, you know...
 

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Hi,
My Son has become obsessed with Hearts of Iron 4, he sometimes gets frustrated that he not as good as he would like to be. I've had a look and its far too multifaceted for me and its beyond my mere mortal gaming experience. I just wanted to get and idea of the player age range to explain to him that hes still very young at 10 to be playing a game as hard. He also plays EU 4 too which he has just started.
Thanks

It is wonderful to hear you son has taken an interest in Hearts of Iron IV. I can certainly sympathize with their frustration of not being able to do what they wish in the game as we have all been there at one point, but I would encourage them to keep at it! There will be many close defeats while they learn the game but it makes victory all the sweeter in the end!

To a newcomer I would give the following advice: don't be afraid of changing the difficulty or using the custom game rules to buff your player nation. These options can be selected after choosing which nation to play, but before you start the game (see screenshot). This is a great way to learn the mechanics of the game and experiment without having a single mistake be game ending. As well, when they become more comfortable with the game they can create a more challenging experience for themselves as well.

I wish your son good fortune in the campaigns to come.

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As Alastorn helpfully pointed out, your son can set the difficulty level so it's a lot easier to learn the game without his enemies mopping the floor with him. (I Played Civ III on Chieftain difficulty for a year, I'm not proud :D). Paradox games are quite involved but hugely entertaining and will open up a lot of avenues for learning about the various historical periods.

I am 54, started playing HoI2 at 41 after years of searching for a good WWII game. There was a thread about a year ago about the old Avalon Hill games which brought out a LOT of us geezers reminiscing about our childhood warmongering. :)
 

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Hi,
My Son has become obsessed with Hearts of Iron 4, he sometimes gets frustrated that he not as good as he would like to be. I've had a look and its far too multifaceted for me and its beyond my mere mortal gaming experience. I just wanted to get and idea of the player age range to explain to him that hes still very young at 10 to be playing a game as hard. He also plays EU 4 too which he has just started.
Thanks
The fact that he is dedicated enough to learn it is already impressive. I have taught this game(and the other paradox games) to many people, most of which are teens and young adults. Most people who play are at least twice his age. Some of them get overwhelmed and quit, others can play but aren't always the best and some put in a lot of time and are very good. What can he accomplish in game? There are plenty of people who can't kill France as Germany and others who die to the soviets.
 

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10 is very young. I remember trying to play Hearts of Iron 2 in my senior year of high school, at age 17, and found it too complicated for me to stick through with learning to play. When I was in college, I tried Hearts of Iron 3 once again and jumped in as the US and immediately tried to become communist.

At that age, the silly alternate history was a sinker, but it was obviously very clumsy and not all that fun in Hearts of Iron 3. Part of the reason I immediately leapt for whacky alternate history content because I was brand new at the game and the prospect of having to measure my success against the historical WW2 was a bit intimidating. It felt like being able to make an alternate scenario where I didn't feel the pressure to succeed along a historical timeline was welcome.

Alternate history options can be a really good gateway drug to the game in my opinion. When we get more players and more people sticking with the game, many people will learn how to play and then graduate on to wanting to play a more serious and challenging historical game. That's how it went for me, but the improved accessibility played a big part of it. I generally found Paradox games too clumsy and obtuse to stick with playing until Crusader Kings 2, and even that took ten hours just to get a familiarity with the UI. It has to be kept in mind that with your average game, you can just leap in and basically have some level of competency from the start. Experience with one Paradox games tends to carry over in helping you be competent at others, so I think long time veterans can lose sight of the fact that these are indeed difficulty games to get into and learn if you're starting from zero.

I think Kaiserreich is a good place for kids to start. The obsession with memes seemed to draw in a lot of people, and Kaiserreich focuses on smaller regional wars that are rather easy for the player to win. It also features small, easily manageable countries that have enough content to keep new players from getting bored, and is also balanced around an infantry spam since production costs were dramatically increased paired with doubling the equipment requirements of infantry, which again makes it even easier for new players to get involved. The Kaiserreich subreddit seems to be pretty chock full of high school students, and it's not hard to see why. Kaiserreich is extremely accessible and the balance in some ways catered to a lower level of difficulty.

There are a lot of those people who will always suck at the game and never learn to play major countries, and will always prefer the meme stuff. However, there will be some who do get good and move on to other challenges. This is good for us veteran players. More people playing the game is better overall, but obviously a price has been paid. There are a lot of concessions in making small, weak, economically unviable countries competitive with the major countries. This is to bring more players into the game. The development team does seem to be moving more in the direction of trying to strike a balance, so I have no real complains other than I wish they had more more money and manpower to speed up development.
 

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My son started age 10 too! He’s nearly 12 now, loves it, has learned so much. But really would love someone his age to play it with him. He can’t understand why his younger siblings aren’t interested. They prefer Minecraft and fortnite.
 

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GSG is a bit older crowd on average, but you're going to have kids playing just about any decent game.

Rarely, some of them are extremely good players by ages 10-13. For all its faults, high-level Madden requires some rather high levels of controller dexterity, ability to predict what your opponent will do, adjustments on the fly, and while the game is a travesty of IRL strategy it does require meta-knowledge. I've seen kids manage all of this and play at elite levels, a surprising mismatch between the voice heard and what is happening on-screen if you're not used to it.

I like to pretend I was one of those kids, back in the day. I could crush the 2nd best kid in the neighborhood (a high school senior) at every game we played when I was in 4th grade. The only reason we hung out despite the age gap is how bad everyone else was at these games relative to us (at least before my sister got older). But we didn't have commonly available online play back then, and "local talent" as such left something to be desired, so the more likely conclusion was that I was big...for that little pond. It was fun to rent a game he complained was too hard and beat it over a weekend though.

Barely knew Pdox games existed until a friend bought EU 4 for me in 2013, however, so I'm late to this party.
 

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Yeah, I'm 64. I started playing Avalon Hill games when I was 10, and got computer games when they first came out. My first computer wargame was 'Rise and Decline of the Third Reich.'
I'm turning 66 on Sunday. Someone tell me again how I got so old when I haven't grown up yet.
 

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I am 28 started playing PDX games when I started going to university, still don't understand how everything works out in game from time to time. 11 year old me would have sucked so hard at this game.
 

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10 years? If your boy would not struggle I would be surprised. At that age you still have not learned various basic mathematical concepts.

I am 24 (playing Pdox since 14)
 
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At that age you still have not learned various basic mathematical concepts.
I think it's cute that you think I have. :p

Edit: Oh no! I just realized I have children older than you guys! I have a granddaughter that's just turned 13.:D
 

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Tried to teach stellaris to my younger brother he was thirteen at the time, just couldn’t really handle it, and this was apocalypse stellaris, practically easy mode, if your kid is even trying at ten he’ll be great at it, and I mean I’m not sure about were you are but in Canada geography class is so non existent I’ve learned more from hoi4 and eu4 than in class
 

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I don’t think a ten year old is going to figure this game out. Baseball. Now there’s a game for a 10 year old.
I'm much older than that and it's easier for me to figure out Pdx games (love Vicky) than baseball :p
 

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I'm turning 66 on Sunday. Someone tell me again how I got so old when I haven't grown up yet.
Happy Birthday! :)

Did you ever find a beat up old truck you know how to fix so you can retire? ;)
 

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  • The Kings Crusade
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Darkest Hour
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • For The Glory
  • For the Motherland
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Knights of Honor
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Hearts of Iron IV: By Blood Alone
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Stellaris
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Pride of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Rome: Vae Victis
I think I was 12 when I first played Sid Meyer's Civilization

Yes, good recommendation.

Sid Meier's Civilization games seem to do a better job providing information to the player.

Paradox works hard at providing information to the HoI4 players, but there is so much detail, some game information gets lost in translation.

The Civilization series is a bit more intuitive and understandable.
 
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