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What's up with those "adult children" stuff today anyways? Proposition to lower age of marriage to 12 thread first, now this :p
You see, when your game allow certain things, it attracts certain types of people. We're here united as one waiting for the game to launch. Some of us lost their minds and went off the deep end. Others accidentally showed their true self.
It's rather tragic, really.
 
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Tbh if they have nudity implemented for adults only its ok. If they havent they should just remove nudity.
It seems to be for adult characters only - the issue being that "adult" is counted from 16 because internal game reasons, which do not coincide with law position of some historically Protestant countries (Germany, US, Australia...).

If we're being consistent, then 16-18 characters should not marry in-game, either (as it presupposes having sex, and a 17yo girl can actually give birth in CK series).
 
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It seems to be for adult characters only - the issue being that "adult" is counted from 16 because internal game reasons, which do not coincide with law position of some historically Protestant countries (Germany, US, Australia...).

If we're being consistent, then 16-18 characters should not marry in-game, either (as it presupposes having sex, and a 17yo girl can actually give birth in CK series).

Not true. The law specifies pornography. But simply the fact of giving birth or being married is no pornography. Graphical depiction might be, however.
 
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Not true. The law specifies pornography. But simply the fact of giving birth or being married is no pornography. Graphical depiction might be, however.
The "Michelangelo's David" codicil should exempt it: note that, for the seduction events we did see, characters are not (necessarily) naked, so nudity is used in no relation to sex. Again, as some commenter noted before, many traditionally accepted artwork shows topless teen females (Shakespeare's Juliette, for instance, or breastfeeding of Jesus).
 
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If we're being consistent, then 16-18 characters should not marry in-game, either (as it presupposes having sex, and a 17yo girl can actually give birth in CK series).
There is a really quite large difference, in both law and custom, between bland statements that such and such characters have married, or such and such characters have had sex, or such and such character has given birth, and various more detailed textual or visual descriptions of the mechanics of the latter two points.
 
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various more detailed textual or visual descriptions of the mechanics of the latter two points.
True, but the ingame nudity, again, seems to have no relation to "mechanics of the latter two points". That's why it is about as oblique an indication as marriage.
 
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There's no legal issue in the civilized world. They could do it live action and there still wouldn't be a legal issue. There's sex education stuff for children on Youtube that's ten times more graphic than a naked kid standing in a castle. Personally I think it'd be really stupid if a society of natural primitivists forced their kids to wear clothes until they turn 18.
 
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There's sex education stuff for children on Youtube that's ten times more graphic than a naked kid standing in a castle.
1)I think education is also somehow additionally looked upon leniently. 2)Is there much of it depicting non-dissected non-adult body other than some general telarche and hair growth pictures with legs put together?
Personally I think it'd be really stupid if a society of natural primitivists forced their kids to wear clothes until they turn 18.
Personally, I do, too, but it might be a necessary compromise for some laws.
 
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What about Big Mouth on Netflix?
I haven’t seen it. Do the characters directly state they are below 18 and are shown fully nude in a sexual context? It doesn’t matter if it’s implied that they’re underage. It has to be directly stated. And there are specific guidelines about what qualifies as “fully nude” and “sexual context.” Again, I haven’t seen it, but the law is in a gray area, so lots of places get around it.
 

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I haven’t seen it. Do the characters directly state they are below 18 and are shown fully nude in a sexual context? It doesn’t matter if it’s implied that they’re underage. It has to be directly stated. And there are specific guidelines about what qualifies as “fully nude” and “sexual context.” Again, I haven’t seen it, but the law is in a gray area, so lots of places get around it.

The age of every character in the game is directly stated.
 
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Im a bit concerned regarding this point. I know its a video game and looking at some Netflix productions dealing with minors it might be hypocritical. Still Im worried that the game might be banned in Germany because of this. I therefore propose that nudity be restricted to characters 18+.
16 is legal here I don't see why paradox would cater to german laws, it'd also be immersion breaking for magically a 18 year old being fine with being nude yet 2 years before not.
 

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16 is legal here I don't see why paradox would cater to german laws, it'd also be immersion breaking for magically a 18 year old being fine with being nude yet 2 years before not.

The age of consent is not the same as the age of legal depiction. For example, in Sweden the age of consent is 15 but the age of legally being depicted is 18.

Whether it's immersion breaking or not is irrelevant in this context, I'm afraid. "It breaks immersion!" is not a valid legal defense. :D
 
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Guys, guys. We're not trying to convince Paradox the laws are stupid, OK? In fact, we're not trying to do anything at all. The OP was worried that Paradox forgot this case and get banned in Germany, if they got it covered, cool.

Us arguing about the legitimacy of said laws or the absurdity of the current climate will not change anything at all, in fact, all it's going to do is portraying us in a bad light.
 
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The age of consent is not the same as the age of legal depiction. For example, in Sweden the age of consent is 15 but the age of legally being depicted is 18.

Whether it's immersion breaking or not is irrelevant in this context, I'm afraid. "It breaks immersion!" is not a valid legal defense. :D
Well if people are so triggered by pixels on their screen being nude yet fine with child murder and rape(concubines) then society has a lot of problems in the modern age.
 
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Well if people are so triggered by pixels on their screen being nude yet fine with child murder and rape(concubines) then society has a lot of problems in the modern age.
In line with what @grommile mentioned, rape (forced concubinage) and child murder are only mentioned and briefly described, respectively, rather than graphically depicted. Also, it may be more of a legalese burden: it is hard to properly formulate the law which would both exclude child pornography even with no actual children involved and not exclude things like the one we discuss here.
 
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As @grommile mentioned, rape (forced concubinage) and child murder are only mentioned and briefly described, respectively, rather than graphically depicted. Also, it may be more of a legalese burden: it is hard to properly formulate the law which would both exclude child pornography even with no actual children involved and not exclude things like the one we discuss here.
The entire argument here seems like cherry-picking which aspects we're so morally opposed to as a society while letting others slide. If nudity is a legal issue I purpose paradox add a censor that's forced on by default for countries which do not allow nude legal age pixels on someones computer screen.
 
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If nudity is a legal issue I purpose paradox add a censor that's forced on by default for countries which do not allow nude legal age pixels on someones computer screen.
This whole debate is about legal issue (which is, in this case, almost certainly an overapplication of law-as-intended if really applicable), not about what we're morally opposed to. As for censor... judging by the strange way Muhammad the Prophet's face covering works, it doesn't sound to be as easy as you depict.
 
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