If you are saying that the French only won the battle of marignano against the swiss thanks to alviano, i would say you are badly mistaken. French artilery decimated the packed "phalanx" of the swiss. Alviano arrived too late and only with 200 (or 300, i dont remember) horsemen which caused everyone to think that the main venetian army had arrived. But it had not - it was on its way. 300 men hardly had any impact on the outcome of the battle - it did, however, have a morale effect on the french and on the enemy. Still, it does not show any tactical skills from the part of Alviano.
On the other hand, Alviano lost Agnadello, which most historians say that it was a battle worse to Venice than Cannae was to the Romans. A good portion of the army was destroyed - and the other portion under Pitigliano and Gritti were met with heavy desertions after rumours of Alviano's defeat spread. And to make matters worse, the French could take almost every city that belonged to Venice in a few months unnoposed, while Venice took centuries to adquire all of them.
Alviano also got badly defeated at La Motta by the retreating Spanish - once again, he took the offensive, only to be badly repulsed and have his entire army fleeing the field by the desperate Spanish who were fighting for their lifes. Thousands of Venetian troops died in the struggle, including a high-ranking proveditor stabbed to death by his Spanish captors.
Not to forget the battle of Novarra - the french after losing their artilery, retreated and the venetians under alviano were left to burn and after alviano got defeated - once again - Spanish and German troops were allowed to move at ease in the veneto, laying siege to Padua, looting Mestre, burning patrician estates and even bombarding Venice itself. The disaster was complete.
I know that he had some early conficts against Imperial troops in which he had sucess, but considerating that Maximilian was not a great tactician and had a hard time paying his troops (he even had his entire army deserting him once), i do not know if these victories by the part of Alviano were pure luck or not (If you can provide me some information about these i would appreciate).
And even if he managed to win 3 battles against Maximilian due to his tactical skills, his other 3 defeats were far worse both strategically or tactically speaking. Marignano cant even be taken in consideration since he did not show any tactical skills in there.
what about his destruction of the austrians (HAB) in 4 pitched battles plus the capture of immense lands and major cities ?
march 1508 at the battle of TAI DI CADORE / RIO SECCO he killed 55% of the austrians plus another 15% surrendered - 6 of the 8 austrians leaders died and the other 2 surrender, ( i can supply names)
at AGNADELLO forces where
French: 2300 men of arms (=+5 men per man of arms, total = 11500), 4000 mounted crossbowmen , 6000 swiss infantry, 14000 gascon infantry
grand total 35000
Venice: 1600 men of arms (=+4 men per man of arms, total = 6400), 2500 mounted crossbowmen as well as stradiotti, 7000 infantry
grand total = 15900
other VEN army which was 5 miles away under pitigiano ( niccolo Orsini (real name)) had 19000 in which none engaged
also note, that while pitigiano troops dispersed, Gritti organised another VEN army in treviso and moved it to defend Padua against the austrians.
Lucio Malvezzo reorganized the remnants of a army and defeated the french in July 1509 at ISOLA DELLA SCALA , this stopped the french advance. The Mantua duke (Gonzaga)and most of his army was captured here , while the french fled. Mantua was knocked out of the war against VEN
Luigi da Porto ( original writer of romeo and juliet, 100 years before shakespeare) , helped gritti in cutting off austrian supply of men in Friuli.
d'aviano did beat the SPA in rovigo in september 1514
at MELEGNANO september 1515, he arrived with 700 cavalry with 8000 infantry arriving later
problem is that d'alviano , once captured at agnadello, and freed after a few years, became one of many generals with no extra special "higher rank", he was equal with
Gritti
malvezzo
Da Porto
Malatesta Baglioni
Renzo di Ceri
Mercurio Bua - austrian front
Niccolò Vendramin - austrian front
all these won battles.
All notes : from official Italian/venetian archives
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