AGCEEP Southeast Asia & Indonesia

[Garbon]

This thread is to discuss Southeast Asia & Indonesia.

 

[unmerged(72200)]

(I'm posting the same proposal as in a EU2-AGCEEP thread just in case.)

A Japanese modder has researched about small countries in SEA and written about them. Please check them as below.

LGD;Lu Chuan;x
LGD_DESC;Lu Chuan is a Siamese kingdom which ruled around present-day northern Burma, Laos and southwestern Yunnan in China, following the fall of Tibetan-Burmese Nan Zhao and Dali kingdoms. China aimed for the region because it was a major transit point of the Southwestern Silk Road in addition to its vast gold and silver mines. After Dali collapsed by the Yuan in 1253, a Siamese kingdom called Meng Mao (Lu Chuan) emerged from their ruin. In 1335, a king called Si Han Fa, the name meant 'the king who caught the white tiger', established his capital around present-day Ruili, Yunnan. He defeated the Yuan's army and conquered neighboring nations. From the middle of the 14th century, the kingdom went into a decline. Eventually the Ming dynasty conquered the kingdom in 1449 to compensate for their loss of the Northern Silk Road for Monglian. However, remnants of the dynasty fled to Meng Yang and continued their fight.;x

MEA;Meng Yang;x
MEA_DESC;After the fall of Lu Chuan in 1449, the Si dynasty fled and re-established the kingdom of Meng Yang, which was based around the basin of the Irrawaddy river. The Si dynasty continued their fight against China even after the capture of Si Ji Fa so obstinately that the Ming dynasty finally accepted their independence. In the middle of the 16th century, Si Lun invaded Burmese kingdom of Ava and crowned Si Ge, his child, king. Although Meng Yang was conquered by the Burmese Taungu dynasty in 1604, a few descendants of the Si dynasty survived as local rulers and one of them helped the Konbaung dynasty in their failed Third Anglo-Burmese War in 1885. Even now their descendants lives in the southwest of Yunnan as farmers.;x

TAU;Mu Bang;x
TAU_DESC;Kosambi, which meant 'a production place of soft aromatic rice' in Sanskrit, was the federation of four Siamese tribes including Meng Shen Wei (Mu Bang), Meng Xing Gu, Meng Xing Se and Meng Mao (Lu Chuan). The federation was established during the 11th century and covered around present-day western Yunnan and northern Burma. Meng Shen Wei, the most powerful tribe, ruled from the middle of the Salween river to the Irrawaddy river, where is the present-day Shan province. The tribe was called Muang Pong Luang in middle-age Siamese while the Yuan dynasty recorded them as Mu Bang. During the late of the 12th century, Meng Mao got ahead Meng Shen Wei which enjoyed their peak in the middle of the 11th century. Still, Meng Shen Wei was powerful enough to help the Ming dynasty's attacks against Meng Mao in the early of the 15th century.;x
TAU_DESC;Mu Bang is a tribe of the Shan people, people of Thai Chinese stock, who came to Burma (the name was changed to Myanmar in 1989) from Yunnan in southwest China after the 12th century. Mu Bang was a strong tribe and ruled this region of northern Burma, called the Shan States, until the 16th century, when King Bayinnaung established Burmese control over all of the Shan States. This continued until the annexation of Burma to India by Britain in 1885.;x

 

[khannate]

Is it historically correct that Annam has Cham as its culture? I thought it was a Vietnamese empire.
Maybe the culture of the region should be changed to Vietnamese (and religion to confucianism) if Champa no longer exists?

 

[ConjurerDragon]

I tried a game as Ayutthaya and wondered about several things:

- the capital is moved by event to Bangkok. Historically Bangkok was just a small fishing village at the time of Taksin. He moved the capital to Thonburi and only his successor (the first king of the Chakri dynasty) moved the capital from Thonburi to the other side of the river to Bangkok.
*nowadays* Thonburi is a district of the metropolitan area of Bangkok but back then it was it´s own province and capital on the other side of the river of a small Bangkok.

--> should the province of Bangkok be renamed to Thonburi and in Taksins move of capital Thonburi be mentioned? And only in the next kings event the move to Bangkok with the capital on the map staying at the same place?

Should the country of Ayutthaya be renamed after the fall of the city and the move to Thonburi?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Thonburi

Should the event about the Thai expansion be changed? The offset is rather large for an event that only has 1 year from start to deathdate.

#(1775) Thai Expansion
event = {
	id = 120017
	random = no
	country = AYU
	name = "EVENTNAME120017" #Thai Expansion
	desc = "EVENTHIST120017"
	#-#Taksin ruled until 1782. In the last seven years of his reign, he relied heavily on two trusted generals, the brothers Chao Phya Chakri and Chao Phya Sarasih, who were given absolute command in military campaigns. They liberated Chiang Mai and the rest of northern Thailand from Burmese rule, and brought Cambodia and most of present-day Laos under Thai suzerainty.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1775 }
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1775 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME120017A" #They shall submit
		command = { type = relation which = CAM value = -100 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = CAM value = 84 }
		command = { type = relation which = MYA value = -100 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = MYA value = 84 }
		command = { type = relation which = VIE value = -100 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = VIE value = 84 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 150 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 674 } #Kwai
		command = { type = addcore which = 1550 } #Lampang
		command = { type = addcore which = 1551 } #Sarakham
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME120017B" #We are cowards
		command = { type = relation which = CAM value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = MYA value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = VIE value = 50 }
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
	}
}

Considering the growth of Siam should perhaps claimcores for provinces 666, 667, 668, 669 and 1549 be added too either in this event or in a new event on a latre date?

 

[Garbon]

I tried a game as Ayutthaya and wondered about several things:

- the capital is moved by event to Bangkok. Historically Bangkok was just a small fishing village at the time of Taksin. He moved the capital to Thonburi and only his successor (the first king of the Chakri dynasty) moved the capital from Thonburi to the other side of the river to Bangkok.
*nowadays* Thonburi is a district of the metropolitan area of Bangkok but back then it was it´s own province and capital on the other side of the river of a small Bangkok.

--> should the province of Bangkok be renamed to Thonburi and in Taksins move of capital Thonburi be mentioned? And only in the next kings event the move to Bangkok with the capital on the map staying at the same place?

I can see changing the city name, yes.

Should the country of Ayutthaya be renamed after the fall of the city and the move to Thonburi?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Thonburi

Makes sense.

 

[President3345]

So I suggest adding command = { type = fortresslevel which = x value = y } to " VOC build Jakarta" event cuz it's historically accurate coen did build a large fortress in Batavia and also since they got the province through event it create a good amount of revolt chance making it easy for them to lose the province because of defection rendering some event that require dutch

 

[ConjurerDragon]

So I suggest adding command = { type = fortresslevel which = x value = y } to " VOC build Jakarta" event cuz it's historically accurate coen did build a large fortress in Batavia and also since they got the province through event it create a good amount of revolt chance making it easy for them to lose the province because of defection rendering some event that require dutch

Do you mean this event?

#(1619) VOC builds Jakarta
event = {
id = 186407
trigger = {
owned = { province = 702 data = -1 } #Jakarta
control = { province = 702 data = -1 } #Jayakarta
flag = [VOC]
}
random = no
country = HOL
name = "EVENTNAME186407" #VOC builds Jakarta
desc = "EVENTHIST186407"
#-#On May 28 1619 Coen arrived at Jayakarta, and burned down the original town of Jayakarta, leaving only the Dutch post of Batavia remaining to become VOC headquarters. On August 1619 VOC began building city at Batavia.

date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1619 }
offset = 14
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1620 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME186407A" #Build Jakarta
command = { type = population which = 702 value = 1000 } #Jakarta
command = { type = provincetax which = 702 value = 1 } #Jakarta
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 702 value = 1 } #Jakarta
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 702 value = cityrights } #Jakarta
command = { type = fortress which = 702 value = -1 } #Jakarta
command = { type = fortress which = 702 value = 1 } #Batavia[/color=]
command = { type = treasury value = -200 }
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME186407B" #We don't have money
command = { type = population which = 702 value = -1000 } #Jakarta
command = { type = provincetax which = 702 value = -1 } #Jakarta
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 702 value = -1 } #Jakarta
}
}

The event is a bit older. It does not check if HOL actually controls the province (as in owning it, but having lost control in a war) which should be checked, too. As that will make it a bit more unlikely to happen the timespan should be a bit longer, instead of 8/1619 to 1/1610 say from 5/1619 to 12/1620.

Then the usual precaution: In case that HOL or the former owner has already built a fortress or several fortress levels, we can´t simply add +1 level to the unknown existing fortress but have to level the old fortress first and then add the +1.

 

[Unknown Unknown]

Would anyone be against the addition of Nepal (NEP) in a future update?

Tibet is quite large in AGCEEP and Nepal has always been missing. As the tag exists in vanilla and has a full monarch file, it would be fairly simple for me to add it in a future beta.

The basic proposal would be to add it to a single province (Nepal, #1539), which would be changed to Hindu, and possibly the addition of a nepali culture for that province.

Nepal - the Malla kingdom initially - was not under Tibetan jurisdiction, which was further north and mostly buffered from Bengal by Nepal.

I am not currently proposing any events (though vanilla has a few), but if anyone feels that any existing AGCEEP events should be edited for the inclusion of Nepal then feel free to post changes here.

I can't really think of any downsides to adding Nepal - though you may? (let me know) - and Tibet would still have four provinces by default, and more earlier on (when it has the Chagatai border ones).