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MichaelM said:
He's just talking about the whitespace.
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Yeah, he's talking about representing each leader in only one line. I'd suggest that he doesn't do that as the setup we have now is nice, clear, and standardized.

I hated the few times I encountered events that had been reduced to one line...
 
If Southern Ming regained the whole China, it will not move the captail to Beijing, but it will stay in Nanjing. I know how they thinks. They don't want to risk any more(let the captail afront Manchu).
 
A little suggestion

The year name of Chinese style didn't play any sense, like Yongle 5 year, can we simply delete them?(There are AD years)
Also Korea and Japan and Dai Viet use their own year names, I find it useless.
Can we remove it?
 
kevinxu said:
If Southern Ming regained the whole China, it will not move the captail to Beijing, but it will stay in Nanjing. I know how they thinks. They don't want to risk any more(let the captail afront Manchu).
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Do you mean replacing capital command in this event (the only remaining one now):
Code: 
#(1644-1820) Claiming the Imperial Throne - Ahistorical
event = {
	id = 317002
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 649 data = -1 } #Hebei
		control = { province = 649 data = -1 } #Hebei
		owned = { province = 650 data = -1 } #Shandong
		owned = { province = 651 data = -1 } #Jinan
		owned = { province = 652 data = -1 } #Jiangsu
		owned = { province = 653 data = -1 } #Shanghai
		owned = { province = 654 data = -1 } #Anhui
		owned = { province = 655 data = -1 } #Zhejiang
		owned = { province = 1562 data = -1 } #Shanxi
		owned = { province = 1563 data = -1 } #Shaanxi
		owned = { province = 1564 data = -1 } #Henan
		owned = { province = 1565 data = -1 } #Hubei
		owned = { province = 1567 data = -1 } #Nanchang
		countrysize = 16
		NOT = { exists = CHI }
	}
	random = no
	country = U14
	name = "EVENTNAME317002" #Claiming the Imperial Throne
	desc = "EVENTHIST317002"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1644 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME317002A" #Long live the Emperor!
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		[COLOR=Red]command = { type = capital which = 649 } #Hebei[/COLOR]
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = capital which = 654 } #Anhui (Ming will not return to Beijing...)[/COLOR]
		command = { type = flagname which = "" }
		command = { type = country which = CHI }
		command = { type = trigger which = 147133 } #CHI: Ming Dynasty back to [COLOR=Red]Beijing[/COLOR][COLOR=Yellow]the throne[/COLOR]
	}
}
#-#The displaced ruler of the Ming Dynasty through careful warfare, diplomacy and other various means is able to once again claim to be the legitimate Emperor of China.

What about this event then:
Code: 
#(1700-1820) Peace returns to China [COLOR=Yellow]-I-[/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 147131
	trigger = {
		NOT = {
			exists = MCH
			exists = U11
			exists = U12
			exists = U13
			exists = U14
		}
		owned = { province = 649 data = -1 } #Hebei
		control = { province = 649 data = -1 } #Hebei
		[COLOR=Yellow]NOT = {
			event = 317002 #U14: Claiming the Imperial Throne
		}[/COLOR]
	}
	random = no
	country = CHI
	name = "EVENTNAME147131" #Peace returns to China
	desc = "EVENTHIST147131"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1700 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "GOOD"
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		command = { type = capital which = 649 } #Hebei
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepevent which = 147136 } #CHI: Peace returns to China -II-[/COLOR]
	}
}
#-#Unification and peace is brought back to China.

New event:
Code: 
#(1700-1820) Peace returns to China -II-
event = {
	id = 147136
	trigger = {
		NOT = {
			exists = MCH
			exists = U11
			exists = U12
			exists = U13
			exists = U14
		}
		event = 317002 #U14: Claiming the Imperial Throne
	}
	random = no
	country = CHI
	name = "EVENTNAME147131" #Peace returns to China
	desc = "EVENTHIST147131"
	#-#Unification and peace is brought back to China.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1700 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "GOOD"
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 147131 } #CHI: Peace returns to China -I-
	}
}

EDIT: Anhui (654) as capital, new condition for CHI_147131 and specific new event for Ming.
 
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kevinxu said:
The year name of Chinese style didn't play any sense, like Yongle 5 year, can we simply delete them?(There are AD years)
Also Korea and Japan and Dai Viet use their own year names, I find it useless.
Can we remove it?
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They were just added for flavor.
 
Yoda, your suggestion is not so good.
As I've tried, Shanghai is the last province Manchu to decede at the south of Beijing, when Manchu is forced to decede provinces, because it is a CoT.

So they will move to Anhui(Nanjing), which may better if called Yingtian.
The captial where Zhu Yuanzhang used.
 
YodaMaster said:
This is why I asked if I was well understanding your proposal.

Does it mean replacing Shanghai (653) with Anhui (654) in the yellow command?

And what about CHI_147131?
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1 Does it mean......Yes, my answer seems little stupid written.
For the Chinese security is the No 1 important.

Also in CHI_147131, Captail can be in Anhui maybe Wuhan, but anyway not in Beijing.
I don't know what data=-1 means.
And the AGCEEP misses an important case that Yanwangs rebel,"Campagne of Jingnan" 1399-1402 .The lord Yan Wang(later Emperor Cheng Zu) attacked the Emperor Jianwen to let himself be crowned.
He can't fight with Beijing along against the whole China, so he moved as Blitzkrieg to enter Anhui(Nanjing) and Jianwen disappeared.
 
YodaMaster said:
kevinxu said:
The year name of Chinese style didn't play any sense, like Yongle 5 year, can we simply delete them?(There are AD years)
Also Korea and Japan and Dai Viet use their own year names, I find it useless.
Can we remove it?
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They were just added for flavor.
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In the point of view, to adopt UTF-8 and make fonts selectable including one for Kanji (or Chinese characters) users will add more flavor by writing text in the style such as "A.D.1407 (永楽五年)" instead of "A.D.1407 (Yongle 5 year)", like Wikipedia. The way can also apply on Russian texts with Cyrillic alphabet, etc.

The problem is that how many players are attracted by this ideas. Hopefully, it attracts as many people as we will decide to adopt UTF-8 to display texts and to make fonts changable with the new engine :)
 
Sorry Yoda, I didn't noticed that you've changed it, now it's better.
 
At the beginning of Scenario 1648, Southern Ming still controles Yunnan and Sichuan Pengdi Hunan Guangzhou ,and some parts of Nanchang. (in the game)
It had 7 provinces at that time: Yunnan Guizhou Sichuan Guangdong Guangxi Hunan Jiangxi.(in the history)
Source:http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/34023314.html
but in Chinese.
 
kevinxu said:
At the beginning of Scenario 1648, Southern Ming still controles Yunnan and Sichuan Pengdi Hunan Guangzhou ,and some parts of Nanchang. (in the game)
It had 7 provinces at that time: Yunnan Guizhou Sichuan Guangdong Guangxi Hunan Jiangxi.(in the history)
Source:http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/34023314.html
but in Chinese.
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You talked about fully reworked setup for 1648 scenario and some countries that shouldn't be on the map in Chinese area. Could we finish this discussion?
 
Yes, I'm online.
Da Shun and Da Xi didn't exist 1648.
As I've said before. These two provinces can be given to Manchu.
 
general list:

Remove Li Zicheng and Zhang Xianzhong from China( not served)

Don't Remove Huang Taiji from Manchu( same person as Abatai)
I've made a mistake that Abatai is the 7th son and Hong Taiji 8th son.
 
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kevinxu said:
Yes, I'm online.
Da Shun and Da Xi didn't exist 1648.
As I've said before. These two provinces can be given to Manchu.
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kevinxu said:
general list:

Remove Li Zicheng and Zhang Xianzhong from China( not served)

Remove Huang Taiji from Manchu( same person as Abatai)
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Is it all that is needed for a better setup if we rework provinces of Southern Ming too (Yunnan Guizhou Sichuan Guangdong Guangxi Hunan and Jiangxi only)?

EDIT: provinces for Southern Ming
Kowloon 657
Guangzhou 658
Hunan 1566
Guangdong 659
Hainan 660
Guangxi 661
Wenshan 1555
Guizhou 1556
SIchuan Pendi 1557
Yunnan 1553
 
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I don't know it exactly. But my issue is much approaching to the history.
You can just add the provinces I mentioned (with "(in game)") add to the Ming side.
 
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