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Not easy to implement until the final abdication. Wouldn't it be easier to have HAB as Emperor? In EU2 terms, Spain doesn't really need access through the HRE but Austria does and same for other HRE bonuses. Or am I wrong?
 

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Not easy to implement until the final abdication. Wouldn't it be easier to have HAB as Emperor? In EU2 terms, Spain doesn't really need access through the HRE but Austria does and same for other HRE bonuses. Or am I wrong?

I think you are right. If I remember correctly, Charles V's brother, Ferdinand, was left in regency of both Austrian possessions and the matters of the Empire. This regency could be symbolized in the game somewhat like it is for Maria Theresia and her husband or son, like "Karl I and Ferdinand". On the abdication, "Ferdinand I" would become the Austrian monarch as normal.
 

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I just wanted to give some input regarding the events that appear fairly quickly in this scenario and the over-all situation of Sweden:

You start at -2 Stability, slider move moves it to -3. Now, if you spend your money on the stability tech (boosting it forward, you can afford it...) you get -2 again, before the event. Now, the event fires, giving you +1 stability and breaks your vassalization, yet your vassalization gives you a -3 stability! So you end up with, -3 stability, even though the event intended to give an increase of 1, and not a decrease of 3 (well 2, really).

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Came up with another thing. Playing as France, why do I get the peace of Cambrai for a war I never fought? Solution: Make an event that sets a flag that triggers if: The event with "Habsburgs surrounding France" and France is at war with Spain. The flag will then trigger the peace event. If there is no war, then there is obviously no peace. :)
 
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Which event for Sweden?

About the peace of Cambrai, History doesn't start in 1520. There is maybe a little problem here but things that should have happened before the start of the scenario are marked in the history. The Peace of Cambrai should be the consequence of the political situation and not only wars in EU2 terms. See the trigger of this event. This is more a treaty than a "peace".
 

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Well okay.

For Sweden, I mean the event about the massacre in Stockholm.

Edit: Oh and btw, is there any way you can make the reformation fire for all the provinces that it can fire for?
 

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There is no way because of the structure and percentage for AI decision (MUS tag in this case). Only solution is creating an event that will trigger all the conversion events but awaited dates won't match and this would be the sama as in vanilla... while the Reformation events were intended for a more realistic spread of the Protestantism.

You can always trigger them with the console. A lot of work too.
 

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There is no way because of the structure and percentage for AI decision (MUS tag in this case). Only solution is creating an event that will trigger all the conversion events but awaited dates won't match and this would be the sama as in vanilla... while the Reformation events were intended for a more realistic spread of the Protestantism.

You can always trigger them with the console. A lot of work too.

Thanks for your answer. But can you remake those flag events, so that there is only one choice, instead of four, for example?
 

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I'm not sure I understand your question: those flag events?

Not with current engine... Each province has a conversion chance that is calculated with a combination that requires several events (72% for example is not possible with a single event).
 

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I'm not sure I understand your question: those flag events?

Not with current engine... Each province has a conversion chance that is calculated with a combination that requires several events (72% for example is not possible with a single event).

Well, no need to worry, I solved my own question. :eek:o :)

BTW: Just got that peace of Cambrai event again, this time I read it and it talked about some League of Cognac, never heard of it! I won the war by the way, and took Artois, Rousillon, Flanders, Franche Comté and also Calais, so why did I get an event that says that I was losing?
 
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3,000 posts, Bill! :cool:

Try and suss out the problem regarding the Cambrai event.

It may be that we need to add an event or two to the 1520 scenario event history... (ie, it should already have fired)
 

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Peace of Cambrai is in 1529.

Taking Artois, Rousillon, Flanders, Franche Comté and also Calais is not sufficient for a full French victory against Habsburgs. See the trigger of the event (or documentation in AGCEEP website).
 
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Makes sense. :D
 

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Peace of Cambrai is in 1529.

Taking Artois, Rousillon, Flanders, Franche Comté and also Calais is not sufficient for a full French victory against Habsburgs. See the trigger of the event (or documentation in AGCEEP website).

But I had ownership of them, before the peace! :confused:

And I was also fighting alone, no league of Cognac for me.
 

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I see what you mean now. No FRA_12027 "François Ier against the Empire" (i.e. League of Cognac) for you?

In this case, Peace of Cambrai makes indeed no sense.

Reworked event:
Code:
#(1529-1535) The Peace of Cambrai
#modified by Bordic
event = {
	id = 12028
	trigger = {
		[COLOR="Yellow"]event = 12027 #FRA: François Ier against the Empire[/COLOR]
		exists = SPA
		OR = { #France didn't achieve her goals
			NOT = { owned = { province = 379 data = -1 } } #Artois
			NOT = { owned = { province = 380 data = -1 } } #Flanders
			NOT = { owned = { province = 387 data = -1 } } #Franche-Comté
			NOT = { owned = { province = 389 data = -1 } } #Lombardia
			NOT = { owned = { province = 393 data = -1 } } #Napoli
			NOT = { owned = { province = 394 data = -1 } } #Apulia
			NOT = { owned = { province = 402 data = -1 } } #Emilia
		}
		[COLOR="Red"]event = 170048 #FRA: French Encirclement by the Habsburgs[/COLOR]
		NOT = {
			war = { country = FRA country = SPA }
			war = { country = FRA country = HAB }
			alliance = { country = FRA country = SPA }
			alliance = { country = FRA country = HAB }
		}
		OR = { #minimal Spanish presence in the Low Countries
			owned = { province = 340 data = SPA } #Zeeland
			owned = { province = 377 data = SPA } #Luxemburg
			owned = { province = 378 data = SPA } #Brabant
			owned = { province = 379 data = SPA } #Artois
			owned = { province = 380 data = SPA } #Flanders
			owned = { province = 383 data = SPA } #Picardie
		}
		OR = { #minimal Spanish presence in Italy
			owned = { province = 405 data = SPA } #Savoie
			owned = { province = 404 data = SPA } #Piemonte
			owned = { province = 406 data = SPA } #Provence
			owned = { province = 389 data = SPA } #Lombardia
			owned = { province = 401 data = SPA } #Firenze
			owned = { province = 402 data = SPA } #Emilia
			owned = { province = 400 data = SPA } #Siena
			owned = { province = 403 data = SPA } #Liguria
			owned = { province = 390 data = SPA } #Mantua
			owned = { province = 391 data = SPA } #Romagna
			owned = { province = 392 data = SPA } #Marche
			owned = { province = 399 data = SPA } #Roma
			owned = { province = 393 data = SPA } #Napoli
			owned = { province = 394 data = SPA } #Apulia
			AND = {
				exists = GEN
				event = 285000 #SPA: The Genoese Alliance
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "EVENTNAME12028" #The Peace of Cambrai
	desc = "EVENTHIST3108"
	#-#

	date = { day = 0 month = August year = 1529 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 0 month = October year = 1535 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3108A" #No one seem to acknowledge our claims
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 200 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = independence which = GEN }
		command = { type = removecore which = 389 } #Lombardia
		command = { type = removecore which = 379 } #Artois
		command = { type = removecore which = 380 } #Flanders
		command = { type = removecore which = 387 } #Franche-Comté
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 404 } #Piemonte
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 405 } #Savoie
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 389 } #Lombardia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 390 } #Mantua
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 391 } #Romagna
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 401 } #Firenze
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 400 } #Siena
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 399 } #Roma
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 393 } #Napoli
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 394 } #Apulia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 402 } #Emilia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 392 } #Marche
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 398 } #Corsica
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 380 } #Flanders
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 379 } #Artois
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 387 } #Franche-Comté
		command = { type = trigger which = 285106 } #SPA: The Peace of Cambrai
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3108B" #We will never drop our claims on what is ours
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -600 } #for continuing wars
		command = { type = casusbelli which = SPA value = 24 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = HAB value = 24 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = GEN value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 300 } #starting secret relations
		command = { type = badboy value = 5 } #for continuing wars
	}
}
#-#The league of Cognac didn't prove to be a solid alliance against Charles V' Spanish and imperial troops. The Pope, taken captive by the lansquenets sacking Rome, abandoned the league. Genoa, important for military supply to the French troops fighting in Southern Italy, had turned to Spain thanks to the decisions of Andrea Doria who, dissatisfied by François Ier's misbehaviour to the Republic, preferred to offer his services to the Emperor. Since the military campaign in Italy was becoming too expensive for both sides and the political instability in the Empire due to religious conflicts was worsening, Louise of Savoy, François Ier's mother and regent of France, together with Margarete of Habsburg, Charles V's aunt and his representative in the administration of the Burgundian dominions, stipulated a peace treaty at Cambrai on 5 august 1529. The so called Ladies' Peace was successful, the signatories were the only ones who could have influence in the political decisions of the two monarchs and managed to induce them to make peace for the wealth of their respective countries. Signing that treaty, France had to renounce her claims to Milan, Asti, Flanders and Artois, while Spain gave up her inheritance rights to the Duchy of Bourgogne, a French fief. François Ier had also to withdraw all his troops from Italy and marry Eleanor, Charles's sister, in return for the liberation of his two sons, hostages at the Spanish court because of François Ier's disrespect for the treaty of Madrid. At Cambrai France abandoned her plans of expansionism in Italy while all her Italian allies joining the league of Cognac would be now at the Emperor's mercy. The Republic of Florence would experience Charles V's rule.
 
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Oh, good! :)

So, can anyone explain what I must do to "win" this war? I was using my cores as guidelines.
 

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See the link posted by Garbon in post #32. This is the event in English language (not script language) or check the comments for the trigger in post #35.
 
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There is still a problem. Should Austria get the Imperial flag then? Because of the standard use of this flag for Austria, it is confusing for players if emperor = SPA at the same time.
What about giving it to Spain then? ;) Too much confusing?

We have SPA_285251 which could be tested for the flag event or even the decision made by SPA_285259.

Spain could benefit from the imperial access when sending troops from Southern Italy to the Netherlands and vice versa: the Spanish Road.
 

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See the link posted by Garbon in post #32. This is the event in English language (not script language) or check the comments for the trigger in post #35.

Okay, but why didn't I get cores at least on Apulia and Napoli? I had no idea I was supposed to take them? I used my cores as guidelines for what to conquer.
 

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I see what you mean now. No FRA_12027 "François Ier against the Empire" (i.e. League of Cognac) for you?

In this case, Peace of Cambrai makes indeed no sense.

Reworked event:
Code:
#(1529-1535) The Peace of Cambrai
#modified by Bordic
event = {
	id = 12028
	trigger = {
		[COLOR="Yellow"]event = 12027 #FRA: François Ier against the Empire[/COLOR]
		exists = SPA
		OR = { #France didn't achieve her goals
			NOT = { owned = { province = 379 data = -1 } } #Artois
			NOT = { owned = { province = 380 data = -1 } } #Flanders
			NOT = { owned = { province = 387 data = -1 } } #Franche-Comté
			NOT = { owned = { province = 389 data = -1 } } #Lombardia
			NOT = { owned = { province = 393 data = -1 } } #Napoli
			NOT = { owned = { province = 394 data = -1 } } #Apulia
			NOT = { owned = { province = 402 data = -1 } } #Emilia
		}
		[COLOR="Red"]event = 170048 #FRA: French Encirclement by the Habsburgs[/COLOR]
		NOT = {
			war = { country = FRA country = SPA }
			war = { country = FRA country = HAB }
			alliance = { country = FRA country = SPA }
			alliance = { country = FRA country = HAB }
		}
		OR = { #minimal Spanish presence in the Low Countries
			owned = { province = 340 data = SPA } #Zeeland
			owned = { province = 377 data = SPA } #Luxemburg
			owned = { province = 378 data = SPA } #Brabant
			owned = { province = 379 data = SPA } #Artois
			owned = { province = 380 data = SPA } #Flanders
			owned = { province = 383 data = SPA } #Picardie
		}
		OR = { #minimal Spanish presence in Italy
			owned = { province = 405 data = SPA } #Savoie
			owned = { province = 404 data = SPA } #Piemonte
			owned = { province = 406 data = SPA } #Provence
			owned = { province = 389 data = SPA } #Lombardia
			owned = { province = 401 data = SPA } #Firenze
			owned = { province = 402 data = SPA } #Emilia
			owned = { province = 400 data = SPA } #Siena
			owned = { province = 403 data = SPA } #Liguria
			owned = { province = 390 data = SPA } #Mantua
			owned = { province = 391 data = SPA } #Romagna
			owned = { province = 392 data = SPA } #Marche
			owned = { province = 399 data = SPA } #Roma
			owned = { province = 393 data = SPA } #Napoli
			owned = { province = 394 data = SPA } #Apulia
			AND = {
				exists = GEN
				event = 285000 #SPA: The Genoese Alliance
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "EVENTNAME12028" #The Peace of Cambrai
	desc = "EVENTHIST3108"
	#-#

	date = { day = 0 month = August year = 1529 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 0 month = October year = 1535 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3108A" #No one seem to acknowledge our claims
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 200 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = independence which = GEN }
		command = { type = removecore which = 389 } #Lombardia
		command = { type = removecore which = 379 } #Artois
		command = { type = removecore which = 380 } #Flanders
		command = { type = removecore which = 387 } #Franche-Comté
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 404 } #Piemonte
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 405 } #Savoie
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 389 } #Lombardia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 390 } #Mantua
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 391 } #Romagna
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 401 } #Firenze
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 400 } #Siena
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 399 } #Roma
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 393 } #Napoli
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 394 } #Apulia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 402 } #Emilia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 392 } #Marche
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 398 } #Corsica
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 380 } #Flanders
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 379 } #Artois
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 387 } #Franche-Comté
		command = { type = trigger which = 285106 } #SPA: The Peace of Cambrai
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3108B" #We will never drop our claims on what is ours
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -600 } #for continuing wars
		command = { type = casusbelli which = SPA value = 24 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = HAB value = 24 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = GEN value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 300 } #starting secret relations
		command = { type = badboy value = 5 } #for continuing wars
	}
}
#-#The league of Cognac didn't prove to be a solid alliance against Charles V' Spanish and imperial troops. The Pope, taken captive by the lansquenets sacking Rome, abandoned the league. Genoa, important for military supply to the French troops fighting in Southern Italy, had turned to Spain thanks to the decisions of Andrea Doria who, dissatisfied by François Ier's misbehaviour to the Republic, preferred to offer his services to the Emperor. Since the military campaign in Italy was becoming too expensive for both sides and the political instability in the Empire due to religious conflicts was worsening, Louise of Savoy, François Ier's mother and regent of France, together with Margarete of Habsburg, Charles V's aunt and his representative in the administration of the Burgundian dominions, stipulated a peace treaty at Cambrai on 5 august 1529. The so called Ladies' Peace was successful, the signatories were the only ones who could have influence in the political decisions of the two monarchs and managed to induce them to make peace for the wealth of their respective countries. Signing that treaty, France had to renounce her claims to Milan, Asti, Flanders and Artois, while Spain gave up her inheritance rights to the Duchy of Bourgogne, a French fief. François Ier had also to withdraw all his troops from Italy and marry Eleanor, Charles's sister, in return for the liberation of his two sons, hostages at the Spanish court because of François Ier's disrespect for the treaty of Madrid. At Cambrai France abandoned her plans of expansionism in Italy while all her Italian allies joining the league of Cognac would be now at the Emperor's mercy. The Republic of Florence would experience Charles V's rule.

I dont' know or better I can't remember if it is a good idea. The reason is that the League of Cognac was just a plus in the sequence bringing to the Peace of Cambrai of 1529. It depends on political situation in Milan. Lombardia should be owned by MLO, SPA or HAB in order for the event to be fired, and it could still be in French hands, expecially when starting with 1520 scenario with +20 province revolt iirc.

And FRA_12028 is an important check point in order to stop France from expanding too early and too ahistorically.

That is why I decided to include 170048 and not 12027 in the trigger.

What about cutting the reference to Cognac then?
The event history could start in this way: "A league to stop Spanish hegemony didn't prove to be a solid alliance against Charles V troops. The Pope, taken captive by the lansquenets sacking Rome, abandoned it."
and then in the last sentences "At Cambrai France abandoned her plans of expansionism in Italy while all her Italian allies joining an Anti-Spanish league would be now at the Emperor's mercy. The Republic of Florence would experience Charles V's rule."

We need to check if other events use this 3108 or a similar text and fine tune events with the word "COGNAC" to be read as "Anti-Spanish league" or something like.
 
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