Don't join any alliance, oryou can't gain what you can take during the negotiation. And if Manchu joined the same as yours, it's your trouble.
Otherwise you create your own, but Southern Mings needs diplomats in other fields.
And if you declare war on Manchu, ALL your alliance will QUIT it if you ask them to join.
Otherwise you create your own, but Southern Mings needs diplomats in other fields.
And if you declare war on Manchu, ALL your alliance will QUIT it if you ask them to join.