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Some events about Holland in India and Indonesia.

Code:
[color=white] 

#The Netherlands and Indonesia#

event = {
	id = x10
	trigger = {
		naval = 11
		countrysize = 6
		discovered = 1353 #Karimata Strait
	}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "The taking of Malacca"
	desc = "Nethelands started to play active role in Indonesia since early 17th cen. and it was directly connected with war against Spain and Portugal. Portuguese colonies were easier prey than usually well guarded spanish ones. In 1605 island of Amboine was conquered by Netherland - it was first foothold in the area. In the following years, Dutch dominated in Indonesia, claiming her his own sphere of influence. Their main base was in Batavia (founded in 1619). The process of formation of Dutch colonial empire in Indonesia was ended in 1641, when they assaulted Malacca in alliance with Johore. After throwing off Portugal, no european power contested Dutch rule in the area. Netherlands also took Ceylon in 1658, stripping off Portugal from almost all possessions in Asia and had serious plans to install themselves in southern India. But they met hard opposition of England and Framce there that finally stopped their expansion."    
	style = 3

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1560 }
	offset = 60
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1800 }

	action_a = {		#Malaya is the future#
		name = "Malaya is the future"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
            command = { type = relation  which = MLC  value = -200 } #Malacca/Johore
            command = { type = relation  which = U05  value = -100 } #Lanka
		command = { type = relation  which = U15  value = -100 } #Jambi
            command = { type = relation  which = ATJ  value = -100 } #Atjeh
		command = { type = relation  which = AYU  value = -100 } #Ayutthaya
            command = { type = relation  which = MTR  value = -100 } #Mataram
            command = { type = casusbelli which = MLC value = 2500 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = MTR value = 2500 } 
            command = { type = casusbelli which = ATJ value = 2500 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = U05 value = 2500 }
            command = { type = casusbelli which = U15 value = 2500 } 
 		command = { type = domestic  which = MERCANTILISM  value = 1 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 702 } #Jakarta#
		command = { type = addcore which = 714 } #Buru Ambon#
            command = { type = trigger which = x11 } 
      }

	action_b = {		#Peace#
		name = "Negotiate trading rights with Malaysian states"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation  which = MLC  value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation  which = U05  value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation  which = U15  value = 50 }
            command = { type = relation  which = ATJ  value = 50 }
            command = { type = relation  which = AYU  value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation  which = MTR  value = 50 }
		command = { type = domestic  which = MERCANTILISM  value = -1 }
	}
}

 
event = {
	id = x11
	random = no
	country = MTR 
	name = "Lost of Jakarta to Netherlands"
	desc = "Nethelands started to play active role in Indonesia since early 17th cen. and it was directly connected with war against Spain and Portugal. Portuguese colonies were easier prey than usually well guarded spanish ones. In 1605 island of Amboine was conquered by Netherland - it was first foothold in the area. In the following years, Dutch dominated in Indonesia, claiming her his own sphere of influence. Their main base was in Batavia (founded in 1619). The process of formation of Dutch colonial empire in Indonesia was ended in 1641, when they assaulted Malacca in alliance with Johore. After throwing off Portugal, no european power contested Dutch rule in the area. Netherlands also took Ceylon in 1658, stripping off Portugal from almost all possessions in Asia and had serious plans to install themselves in southern India. But they met hard opposition of England and Framce there that finally stopped their expansion."    
	style = 2
		
	action_a = {		#Crap#
		name = "This will only be a momentary setback"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
            command = { type = secedeprovince which = HOL value = 702 }
            command = { type = relation  which = HOL value = 50 }
	}
}

#Netherlands-Portugal tensions in Asia#

event = {
	id = x12
	trigger = {
		naval = 11
		countrysize = 6
		OR = {
			discovered = 1143 #Straits of Malacca
			discovered = 677 #Malacca
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HOL
	name = "Netherlands-Portugal tensions in Asia"
	desc = "The process of formation of Dutch colonial empire in Indonesia reached it decisive point in 1641, when Holland assaulted Malacca in alliance with Johore. After throwing off Portugal, no european power contested Dutch rule in the area. Netherlands also took Ceylon in 1658, stripping off Portugal from almost all possessions in Asia and had serious plans to install themselves in southern India. But they met hard opposition of England and Framce there that finally stopped their expansion."    
	style = 3

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1560 }
	offset = 60
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1800 }

	action_a = {		#Take over Portuguese interests in Malaya#
		name = "Take over Portuguese interests in Malaya"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
            command = { type = relation  which = POR  value = -200 } 
            command = { type = casusbelli which = POR value = 500 } 
 		command = { type = domestic  which = MERCANTILISM  value = 1 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 677 } #Malacca#
		command = { type = addcore which = 576 } #Kolombo#
		command = { type = addcore which = 577 } #Jaffna#
            command = { type = trigger which = x13 }
            command = { type = trigger which = x14 } #For Malacca/Johore 
            command = { type = trigger which = x15 } #and AYU  
      }

	action_b = {		#Peace#
		name = "Peace"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation  which = POR  value = 50 }
		command = { type = domestic  which = MERCANTILISM  value = -1 }
	}
}

#The taking of Malacca for Holland#
#similar version for some malaysian countries in case of Portugal not taking it earlier

event = {
	id = x13
	random = no
	country = POR 
	name = "Lost of Malacca to Holland"
	desc = "In 1511 Albuquerque planned another attack on Hormouz but there were some delays in preparations and monsun period ended before fleet set to sail. But Portugal knew about rich city of Malacca located on the east of India. Albuquerque ordered the fleet to sail there instead of Arabia. It ended with Portuguese conquest of Malacca that was achieved even easier than former fights against Arabs. By the way Portugals spotted rich island of Ceylon famous for its spices. Later they tried to conquer it too and even had some achievements but controlled only western shore of Ceylon where established Colombo. Inland and western parts of Ceylon remained under the rule of domestic kings."    
	style = 2
		
	action_a = {		#Crap#
		name = "This will only be a momentary setback"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
            command = { type = capital which = 678 }
            command = { type = secedeprovince which = HOL value = 677 }
            command = { type = relation  which = HOL value = -50 }
	}
	action_b = {		#Fight! #
		name = "Let the Malaysian Strait be red with Dutch blood"
		command = { type = relation  which = HOL value = -200 }
		command = { type = war which = HOL }
	}
}

#Netherlands expansion in India#

event = {
	id = x16
	trigger = {
		naval = 12
		countrysize = 10
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 576 data = -1 } #Kolombo
			owned = { province = 577 data = -1 } #Jaffna
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HOL
	name = "Netherlands-Portugal tensions in Asia"
	desc = "After taking of Kolombo in 1658, Holland became more interest in India. Their region of influence was defined as low of french factory of Pondicherry. They installed some factories in subcontinet but met hard opposition of England, France and Portugal. Eventually Holland gave up but kept very rich island of Ceylon." 
	style = 3

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1600 }
	offset = 60
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1800 }

	action_a = {		#This can be a good interest#
		name = "This can be a good interest"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
            command = { type = relation  which = POR  value = -50 } 
            command = { type = relation  which = MYS  value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation  which = ENG  value = -50 }
            command = { type = relation  which = FRA  value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation  which = VIJ  value = -50 }
            command = { type = casusbelli which = VIJ value = 500 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = MYS value = 500 } 
            command = { type = domestic  which = MERCANTILISM  value = 1 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 573 } #Kochin#
		command = { type = addcore which = 574 } #Trivandrum# 
		command = { type = addcore which = 575 } #Madurai#
      }

	action_b = {		#Peace#
		name = "Peace"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation  which = POR  value = 50 } 
            command = { type = relation  which = MYS  value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation  which = ENG  value = 50 }
            command = { type = relation  which = FRA  value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation  which = VIJ  value = 50 }
		command = { type = domestic  which = MERCANTILISM  value = -1 }
	}
}

#Indonesia claimed Dutch' sphere of influence#

event = {
	id = x17
	trigger = {
		naval = 18
		countrysize = 12
        AND = {
			OR ={
				owned = { province = 702 data = -1 } #Jakarta
			      owned = { province = 677 data = -1 } #Malacca
				}
			OR ={
				owned = { province = 713 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 714 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 715 data = -1 }
				}
               }
	}
	random = no
	country = HOL
	name = "Indonesia claimed Dutch' sphere of influence"
	desc = "Ceylon was the last gain of Holland in the war against Portugal and this conflict came to an end. Portugal reconquered Brazil while Holland took Indonesia. Question of India was undecided but in 1661 Portugal ceded Bombay to England. The colony cut off portuguese factories located in the northern India from gains of Holland in the south like Ceylon. England was concerned the growing power of Holland and soon war had to broke out. It influenced the decision about peace too. Being the only colonial power in Indonesia, Holland in early 1660's claimed it his own sphere of influence. It was the greatest prize of long war against iberian monarchies that started in 1621." 
	style = 3

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1600 }
	offset = 60
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1800 }

	action_a = {		#This can be our richest colony#
		name = "This can be a good interest"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
            command = { type = relation  which = MTR  value = -150 } 
            command = { type = relation  which = AYU  value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation  which = ATJ  value = -150 } #Atjeh
            command = { type = relation  which = U15  value = -150 } #Jambi
		command = { type = relation  which = U03  value = -150 } #Butung
            command = { type = relation  which = BEI  value = -150 } #Brunei
            command = { type = relation  which = MLC  value = -150 } #Malacca
		command = { type = relation  which = U13  value = -150 } #Kutei
            command = { type = relation  which = U01  value = -150 } #Ternate
		command = { type = relation  which = MKS  value = -150 } #Gowa Makassar
            command = { type = casusbelli which = MTR value = 2500 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = AYU value = 2500 }
            command = { type = casusbelli which = ATJ value = 2500 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = U15 value = 2500 } 
            command = { type = casusbelli which = U03 value = 2500 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = BEI value = 2500 }
            command = { type = casusbelli which = MLC value = 2500 } 
		command = { type = casusbelli which = U13 value = 2500 }
            command = { type = casusbelli which = U01 value = 2500 }
            command = { type = casusbelli which = MKS value = 2500 }
            command = { type = domestic  which = MERCANTILISM  value = 1 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 677 } #Malacca#
            command = { type = addcore which = 678 } #Johor#
            command = { type = addcore which = 679 } #Atjeh#
         	command = { type = addcore which = 680 } #Riau#
		command = { type = addcore which = 681 } #Jambi# 
            command = { type = addcore which = 682 } #Palembang#
            command = { type = addcore which = 695 } #Sabah#
            command = { type = addcore which = 696 } #Brunei#
            command = { type = addcore which = 697 } #Sarawak#
		command = { type = addcore which = 698 } #Bandjarmasin #
            command = { type = addcore which = 699 } #Selatan#
            command = { type = addcore which = 700 } #Kalimantan#
            command = { type = addcore which = 701 } #Sunda
            command = { type = addcore which = 702 } #Jakarta#
		command = { type = addcore which = 703 } #Bandung#
		command = { type = addcore which = 704 } #Surabaja#
		command = { type = addcore which = 705 } #Bali#
		command = { type = addcore which = 706 } #Manado#
		command = { type = addcore which = 707 } #Sulawesi#
            command = { type = addcore which = 708 } #Makassar# 
		command = { type = addcore which = 709 } #Salabanka#
            command = { type = addcore which = 710 } #Sumbawa# 
		command = { type = addcore which = 711 } #Flores#
            command = { type = addcore which = 712 } #Timor#
            command = { type = addcore which = 713 } #Tindore#
            command = { type = addcore which = 714 } #Buru#
            command = { type = addcore which = 715 } #Ceram#
      }

	action_b = {		#Peace#
		name = "Peace"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation  which = MTR  value = 50 } 
            command = { type = relation  which = AYU  value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation  which = ATJ  value = 50 } #Atjeh
            command = { type = relation  which = U15  value = 50 } #Jambi
		command = { type = relation  which = U03  value = 50 } #Butung
            command = { type = relation  which = BEI  value = 50 } #Brunei
            command = { type = relation  which = MLC  value = 50 } #Malacca
		command = { type = relation  which = U13  value = 50 } #Kutei
            command = { type = relation  which = U01  value = 50 } #Ternate
		command = { type = relation  which = MKS  value = 50 } #Gowa Makassar
		command = { type = domestic  which = MERCANTILISM  value = -1 }
	}
}

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Originally posted by Blade!
actually, its the reverse.. the first, the Bahamid Sultanate were Sunnis who were bitter rivals of Vijaynagar, then later after that was swolloed by the Mughal Empire, the Marahttis were Hindu rebels. :)
That's what I said... I think... I'm confused... ;)
 

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I thought that that was what you said too...

BTW is there anyway to change the name of province cities in-game? (i.e. events)
 

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Originally posted by Mad King James
That's what I said... I think... I'm confused... ;)
No, no, I must have misread you then. :)
 

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Hi guys.

I have been an avid reader of EUII forums, but never posted before.(chicken clucking)

First Off Kudos to you guys for doing a greattttt job. (Applause !!).

To MKJ - My credentials are not as impressive as blade!'s :p but as one who is a history buff and also hailing from the subcontinent i may be of some help. (Taking MKJ aside - begging - Pls let be put my two cents worth in);)

To Blade! - Good to see a history enthusiast(A modest one at that) of subcontinent history no less.
 

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Hey no need to ask permission, ;) One of these days I'll assign threadmasters officially :D

India definitely is something we need to work on, I think when we cut out most of the NA native tribes, India is our next priority.
 

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Originally posted by balsr

To Blade! - Good to see a history enthusiast(A modest one at that) of subcontinent history no less.

Well if I can't manage to be modest in real life, at least I can try here! :D

Nice to meet you too! :) I find the best way to get to contribute is just to start unloading your ideas, please go ahead! :)
 

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Originally posted by vilkouak
Some events about Holland in India and Indonesia.
Some very nice events, Vilkouak, but that is an awful lot of potential conscription centres for Holland with the extra CB shields. While Holland won't gain any manpower from those provinces, the conscription centres (once built) will raise Holland's army support limit considerably, and will also allow Holland to raise twice as many troops in the affected provinces. I take it this doesn't create any problems of note?

(Probably not, but you never know)
 

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Far Eastern Manpower Mod

Has anyone in the India thread tried using the Far Eastern Manpower Mod option, and if so, how does it confirm with your desires? Which nations should be strenghtened and which weakened?

EDIT: If nothing else, I'd really like some feedback on Vijayanagar. Since it now begins with real cities in Southern India, it is quite likely that the values should be increased. The values currently used in the mod (\agc\scenarios\fareasternmanpower.inc) are: (Paradox default follows province name)

Code:
[color=white][font=couriernew]
# Vijayanagar (7 provinces/19 base manpower)

# 565: Yanam (2)
province = { id = 565 manpower = 2 }

# 567: Bangalore (4)
province = { id = 567 manpower = 5 }

# 568: Mangalore (2)
province = { id = 568 manpower = 3 }

# 571: Madras (2)
province = { id = 571 manpower = 3 }

# 572: Pondicherry (2)
province = { id = 572 manpower = 2 }

# 574: Trivandrum (1)
province = { id = 574 manpower = 2 }

# 575: Madurai (1)
province = { id = 575 manpower = 2 }

[/font][/color]
 
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Hello all. I've never posted in the AGC forum before, so please excuse in advance my impertinence. I've been playing an enjoyable VH/N GC as Vijayanagar using the 1st AGC version. The years were good and by the 1560s, I had taken control (mostly through diplo-annexations after military butt-kicking) of Delhi and all but 3 of the Indian culture provinces. Then came the revolts after the "Fall of The City of Victory" event! I was so indignant that I went into the save file and removed the revolt risk, then created my own "event: ("Asoka's Dream") in which I: moved the capitol to Delhi, made Delhi a core province, and added Marathi, Hindi, Gujarati, and Bengali (but not Sikh) cultures. I know that this is probably highly questionable on alternative history grounds, but it certainly added a lot to the fun quotient:D . Might something like this at least be included in a Fantasy checkbox option (like the IGC on EU1) to give the Indian minor human player (I would give each Indian minor a chance at it, kind of like the way that Orleans or Provence can become France) some kind of fun goal to aim at?
 

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Originally posted by Kid Charlemagne
..., so please excuse in advance my impertinence. ...
:eek: Impertenance indeed! Ashoka's capitol in Delhi, indeed! :eek: Bah.

Ashoka's capitol was in Pataliputra (patna) which would be...... Bihar! :D
 

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originally posted by Blade!
Impertenance indeed! Ashoka's capitol in Delhi, indeed! Bah. Ashoka's capitol was in Pataliputra (patna) which would be...... Bihar!
I know, I know - please! My father was born in Bihar, so I am well aware that Patna was the Mauryan capitol. I chose Delhi instead because I figured that by the 15th century, Delhi would have made a better site for a national capitol, especially for the non-Delhi human Indian minor, since the conquest and absorption of Delhi would constitute the eliminaiton of the largest theat to subcontinental hegemony (again, similar to Provence or Orleans annexing Paris, seat of the Valois). But what do you think of the substance of my idea (again, as an option to be available in set-up)?
 

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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
Some very nice events, Vilkouak, but that is an awful lot of potential conscription centres for Holland with the extra CB shields. While Holland won't gain any manpower from those provinces, the conscription centres (once built) will raise Holland's army support limit considerably, and will also allow Holland to raise twice as many troops in the affected provinces. I take it this doesn't create any problems of note?

(Probably not, but you never know)
Holland probably will not reach the landtech level needed too early. 2nd, I don't believe that AI conquer more than a few of these provinces, let alone that it will be build conscription centers there. Player is another case but it can only tempt him to involveinto the region. Gains of manpower should be balanced by different religion/culture and some revolts I think.
 

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I'm using it but not playing indian nation. Situation in India is quite normal usually. Three of my games reached 1550 and Vijanjagar is not so powerful as it seems - never xpanded greatly. Two more provinces arehis best score. Mysore still exists and owns all of its provinces. Lanka the same.

Malwa usually ends early but it was expected. Gujarati gone mad in one game and has 13 provinces in 1550. Delhi is a big loser in this game, Jodhpur one-province minor. Orissa is doing well too. Has 7 provinces while Bengal is reduced to only two.

But I activated option "All countries are Majors". I observed that it helps ai to get higher manpower than usual. Many provinces in Italy and Germany now has 3 or 4 manpower listed in the window (what means that they have 6-9 manpower). They had almost without exception 2 without that option. The leader is Strasburg having manpower 5 (11 in savefile). In India Delhi and Bikaner have 4 both. Bangalore had to get raise by event cause it has 3 now (listed in game window, so it is 6).
 

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Originally posted by Kid Charlemagne
.... But what do you think of the substance of my idea (again, as an option to be available in set-up)?
You don't happen to be able to speak Maitali do you?

Well, I think pre-modern unification events are always fun for fun's sake. But personally, I am not a big fan; if there were to be one, I would think a Dravidian Unification event would be fun, or a Northern unification event could also be fun. I suppose a pre-req should be having a Hindu govt... er, or Buddhist! :D I don't see why there couldn't be an event like that spliced in for fun. Once x, Y, & z are occupied, and govt = hindu, then option for this event occurs. :)
 

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Originally posted by vilkouak
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But I activated option "All countries are Majors". I observed that it helps ai to get higher manpower than usual. Many provinces in Italy and Germany now has 3 or 4 manpower listed in the window (what means that they have 6-9 manpower). They had almost without exception 2 without that option. The leader is Strasburg having manpower 5 (11 in savefile). In India Delhi and Bikaner have 4 both. Bangalore had to get raise by event cause it has 3 now (listed in game window, so it is 6).
Yes, the big winners of making all majors manpower-wise (relatively speaking) are the one province minors*. Once they begin getting "establish cantonments" and "agricultural revolution" random events that was them previously denied, there is only one province that can be affected :)

* This is strictly speaking a lie since very large majors get multiple manpower increases per event in the SSREM.
 

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Originally posted by vilkouak
Holland probably will not reach the landtech level needed too early. 2nd, I don't believe that AI conquer more than a few of these provinces, let alone that it will be build conscription centers there. Player is another case but it can only tempt him to involveinto the region. Gains of manpower should be balanced by different religion/culture and some revolts I think.
Well, there are no manpower gains involved at all, since Holland cannot be road connected to the Indonesian islands.

Since it won't screw things up for the AI accordince to your analysis, the only real issue left is the additional 320,000 to the army support limit for the Holland player in MP. That is quite a lot. OTOH Holland is usually very rich in MP and capable of affording a substantial army anyhow. But 320,000...