As promised, I'm opening the can of worms. Since discussion on this area has very often been like this, everybody is explicitly asked to get rid of any possible bias or nationalistic passions and just contribute factual arguments. Sorry if this statement was misplaced. Alas:
red: issues being debated
yellow: debate closed, conclusion not yet implemented
things implemented in both mods right now
things implemented in AGC right now
things implemented in EEP right now
white: miscellaneous notes
Note that anything in green, blue and purple will go into the beta unless anybody strongly objects.
Country setup
Country list:
Existing in 1419:
VEN Venice
TUR Ottoman Empire
HUN Hungary
PRM Styria
BOS Bosnia
SER Serbia
ALB Albania
ATH Duchy of Athens
WAL Wallachia
MOL Moldavia
SPR Morea
Revolters / emerging by events:
CRO Croatia
SIE Siebenbürgen
RAG Hercegovina
GRE Greece
BUL Bulgaria
Removed:
RAG Ragusa
EDIT: Added a country list
red: issues being debated
yellow: debate closed, conclusion not yet implemented
things implemented in both mods right now
things implemented in AGC right now
things implemented in EEP right now
white: miscellaneous notes
Note that anything in green, blue and purple will go into the beta unless anybody strongly objects.
Country setup
(still tentative, but the setup I am going to include in the merger unless something exceptional happens)- Croatia is made part of Hungary
- Krain is given to Styria, representing Carniola
- Ragusa is removed, the province given to Venice, representing Durazzo
- the province of Dalmatia is given to Hungary and controlled by Venice, representing Croatian Dalmatia
- Morea is an independent country
- Albania is an independent vassal of the Ottoman Empire
- the Ottoman Empire keeps Macedonia
- the province of Serbia represents Northern Serbia
- Serbia starts out allied with and a vassal of Hungary
- Is the Bulgarian revolter really needed? It will be kept
- If Croatia is removed at start, is there any opposition to including a fantasy option for independent Croatia? A fantasy option will be implemented soon
- Should Slavonic culture be divided into Serbocroatian and Bulgarian?
- Should Venice get Slavonic culture?
- Should the Ottomans get Slavonic culture?
- Should the Ottomans get Albanian culture at some point?
- The city of Krain is Ljubljana
- The city of Croatia is Zagreb
- The city of Dalmatia is Split
- The city of Ragusa is Scutari
- The city of Albania is Kruja
- The city of Bosnia is Bobovaz
- The city of Serbia is Smederevo
- The city of Kosovo is Ras
- The city of Morea is Mistra
- The city of Moldova is Suceava
- The city of Bujak is Chilia
- Does Hungary really need to have shields on Serbia and Bosnia, considering that it makes them ahistorically annex these territories quite often?
- The Serbian shield on Banat is removed, the one on Bosnia stays for the moment
- Moldavia has shields on Moldavia, Bujak, Transylvania and Podolia
- Wallachia has shields on Wallachia, Transylvania, Banat and Dobrudja
- Should the Ottomans loose their shields on Moldavia and Wallachia, considering that they historically only vassalized these countries?
- Should Venice have a shield on Hellas? It held Athens between 1394 and 1402 and in 1466 and always had some interest in the area
- Should Aragon get a shield on Athens?
- Albania looses its shield on Kosovo and gets one on Ragusa
- Events for Albania during the age of Skanderbeg by Skanderbeg (the forum member, not the guy himself) and MKJ
- Bosnian events by Voivode and Hogar dealing with Bosnia's fate in the 15th century and the independence of Hercegovina
- Dracula events by Annibale
- Succession to the Duchy of Athens of 1435 (with a possibility for Byzantium to inherit it)
- Byzantine mantle events for Serbia, Morea and Albania
Country list:
Existing in 1419:
VEN Venice
TUR Ottoman Empire
HUN Hungary
PRM Styria
BOS Bosnia
SER Serbia
ALB Albania
ATH Duchy of Athens
WAL Wallachia
MOL Moldavia
SPR Morea
Revolters / emerging by events:
CRO Croatia
SIE Siebenbürgen
RAG Hercegovina
GRE Greece
BUL Bulgaria
Removed:
RAG Ragusa
EDIT: Added a country list
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