Yeah, I had a flick through the relevant events for POL, RUS & UKR and updated the 1718 thread - have a look when you have five minutes.YodaMaster said:Check existing events for Ukraine too.
Should work pretty well.
Yeah, I had a flick through the relevant events for POL, RUS & UKR and updated the 1718 thread - have a look when you have five minutes.YodaMaster said:Check existing events for Ukraine too.
#(1571-1578) [COLOR="Red"]The Sacking of Moscow[/COLOR] [COLOR="Yellow"]Abolition of Oprichnina[/COLOR]
event = {
id = 40027
[COLOR="Yellow"] trigger = {
event = 40026 #RUS : The Terror of the Oprichnina
}[/COLOR]
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME40027" #[COLOR="Red"]Sacking of Moscow and [/COLOR]Abolition of Oprichnina
desc = "EVENTHIST3411"
[COLOR="Red"]trigger = { event = 40026 }[/COLOR]
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1571 }
offset = 130
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1578 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME40027A" #Abolish the Oprichnina
command = { type = relation which = CRI value = -100 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = CRI value = 60 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME40027B" #Oprichnina is not at fault!
command = { type = relation which = CRI value = -100 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = CRI value = 60 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}
And province should be owned (capital could have been relocated because of revolter).Moscow shouldn't be controled by Russia
1. Give Russia Ugric culture with the Russian Nation event. The problem with this approach is that it overpowers Russia by making it easy to convert Finland, and it also defeats the purpose of playing Novgorod which has Ugric culture from the start.
2. Make Kola, Karelia, Kexholm, Olonets, and Arkhangelsk Russian from the start. Problem with this solution is that it makes it less attractive for a Swedish or Livonian player to attack Novgorod for Ugric provinces. This could be rectified however by giving Sweden/Livonia events that convert those provinces to Ugric culture.
3. Leave initial setup as it is and give Russia (but not Muscovy) events that convert these provinces to Russian culture. This solution would probably be the most accurate, since it represents Russian settlement in the region-as I've mentioned before Russians continually colonized the region, and with time Karelia became predominantly Russian, though I'm not sure when exactly that happened.
I await your input on the subject and I'm ready to write any required events. I am having a boring vacation to say the least.
This happened during the last 100 years.
After reading some events for Russia (for colonizing the Steppes) and England (Acts of Union), I would like to make a proposal: I think that the tax/manpower/revoltrisk penalties for Russia for the Karelia region (Kola, Karelia, Kexholm, Olonets, Arkhangelsk) should be removed by one means or another.
The Karelia region, save for the Western Karelia which was a province of Finland, was ruled by Novgorod since the Swedish-Novgorodian wars in the 13th century, and later by Muscovy which became Russia. The Karelians were Orthodox Christians for a long time, and were influenced by Russian culture since Novgorodian times. The cultural influence of Russia only continued to intensify as time went on. When Sweden conquered part of Karelia in the 17th century and wanted to convert them to Lutheranism, people fled en masse to Russia.
A secondary fact is Russian colonization in the region which was begun by Novgorod in the 13th century and continued during tsarist Russia. I don't know when Russians became the predominant ethnic group, but today at least Karelia is 60-70% Russian.
At any case, I think it doesn't make much sense for Russia to suffer penalties in Karelia.
If you agree with me, then I see three ways of dealing with this minor inconvenience:
1. Give Russia Ugric culture with the Russian Nation event. The problem with this approach is that it overpowers Russia by making it easy to convert Finland, and it also defeats the purpose of playing Novgorod which has Ugric culture from the start.
2. Make Kola, Karelia, Kexholm, Olonets, and Arkhangelsk Russian from the start. Problem with this solution is that it makes it less attractive for a Swedish or Livonian player to attack Novgorod for Ugric provinces. This could be rectified however by giving Sweden/Livonia events that convert those provinces to Ugric culture.
3. Leave initial setup as it is and give Russia (but not Muscovy) events that convert these provinces to Russian culture. This solution would probably be the most accurate, since it represents Russian settlement in the region-as I've mentioned before Russians continually colonized the region, and with time Karelia became predominantly Russian, though I'm not sure when exactly that happened.
I await your input on the subject and I'm ready to write any required events. I am having a boring vacation to say the least.
i prefer number 3..........but what year or what trigger is the conversion ?
- will making karelia, baltic culture ( not accurate) fix these errors so as to not waste a tag on a new culture?
- Whats with Ugric culture????..........i think its one step to low in the culture tree.........ie, its equal to having Latin or Romance as a culture. Ugric should be renamed to Finnish or Finnic , as stated in all net reference. With Finnish, Karelians where very very close linguistically with the finns, while Ugric also belongs with the hungarians.
- Karelains and Finns used the Latin alphabet , while the russians use cyrillic. Did they live in harmony?
Be aware provinceculture condition doesn't work in events.
#(1480-1538) Russian settlement in Vladimir
event = {
id = 271044
trigger = {
owned = { province = 271 data = -1 } #Vladimir
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 271 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 271 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 271 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271044"
desc = "EVENTHIST271044"
#-#The city of Viatka was founded in 1181 by Novgorodian traders and was settled by Russians in the 14th and 15th centuries.
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1480 } #Muscovy becomes Russia
offset = 2000
deathdate = { day = 4 month = april year = 1538 } #Death of Yelena Glinskaya, mother of Ivan IV - initiates a period of consolidation of Russia
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 271 value = russian } #Vladimir
command = { type = population which = 271 value = 200 } #Vladimir
}
}
#(1538-1821) Russian settlement in Vladimir (2nd) - to ensure Vladimir ends up being Russian
event = {
id = 271045
trigger = {
owned = { province = 271 data = -1 } #Vladimir
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 271 data = -1 }[/COLOR] provincereligion = { province = 271 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 271 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271044"
desc = "EVENTHIST271044"
#-#The city of Viatka was founded in 1181 by Novgorodian traders and was settled by Russians in the 14th and 15th centuries.
date = { day = 4 month = april year = 1538 } #Death of Yelena Glinskaya, mother of Ivan IV - initiates a period of consolidation of Russia
offset = 1000
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 271 value = russian } #Vladimir
command = { type = population which = 271 value = 200 } #Vladimir
}
}
#(1538-1721) Russian rule in Olonets
event = {
id = 271046
trigger = {
owned = { province = 267 data = -1 } #Olonets
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 267 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 267 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 267 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271046"
desc = "EVENTHIST271046"
#-#There was always minor Russian settlement in the Karelia region, although Russians didn't become the majority until the 19th century. Olonets Karelia had been part of Russian Karelia since the 12th century. Russian influence was evident in all areas of life.
date = { day = 4 month = april year = 1538 } #Death of Yelena Glinskaya, mother of Ivan IV - initiates a period of consolidation of Russia
offset = 5000
deathdate = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 267 value = russian } #Olonets
command = { type = population which = 267 value = 500 } #Olonets
}
}
#(1721-1821) Russian rule in Olonets (2nd) - in case Sweden converts it to Ugric by event
event = {
id = 271047
trigger = {
owned = { province = 267 data = -1 } #Olonets
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 267 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 267 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 267 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271046"
desc = "EVENTHIST271046"
#-#There was always minor Russian settlement in the Karelia region, although Russians didn't become the majority until the 19th century. Olonets Karelia had been part of Russian Karelia since the 12th century. Russian influence was evident in all areas of life.
date = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia
offset = 2500
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 267 value = russian } #Olonets
command = { type = population which = 267 value = 500 } #Olonets
}
}
#(1538-1584) Russian settlement in Arkhangelsk
event = {
id = 271048
trigger = {
owned = { province = 269 data = -1 } #Arkhangelsk
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 269 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 269 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 269 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - Novgorod was important for extending Russian cultural influence to the North and North-East
event = 271046 #Olonets has to be Russian first
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271048"
desc = "EVENTHIST271048"
#-#The Arkhangelsk area was sparsely populated by the Nenets people before Novgorodians claimed it in the 12th century. While more intensive Russian colonization only began late in the 16th century, the people there were accustomed to Novgorodian rule in the past centuries.
date = { day = 4 month = april year = 1538 } #Death of Yelena Glinskaya, mother of Ivan IV - initiates a period of consolidation of Russia
offset = 6000
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1584 } #Arkhangelsk founded
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 269 value = russian } #Arkhangelsk
command = { type = population which = 269 value = 100 } #Arkhangelsk
}
}
#(1584-1821) Russian settlement in Arkhangelsk (2nd) - in case Sweden converts it to Ugric/Scandinavian
event = {
id = 271049
trigger = {
owned = { province = 269 data = -1 } #Arkhangelsk
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 269 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 269 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 269 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - Novgorod was important for extending Russian influence to the North and North-East
OR = { #Olonets has to be Russian first
event = 271046
event = 271047
}
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271048"
desc = "EVENTHIST271048"
#-#The Arkhangelsk area was sparsely populated by the Nenets people before Novgorodians claimed it in the 12th century. While more intensive Russian colonization only began late in the 16th century, the people there were accustomed to Novgorodian rule in the past centuries.
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1584 } #Arkhangelsk founded
offset = 3000
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 269 value = russian } #Arkhangelsk
command = { type = population which = 269 value = 100 } #Arkhangelsk
}
}
#(1553-1566) The Muscovy Trade Company
event = {
id = 40046 #triggered by ENG_3015
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME3015" #The Muscovy Trade Company
desc = "EVENTHIST3015"
#-#In 1553, the Merchant Adventurers Company sent a fleet of three ships with the intent of sailing to China through the Northeast Passage. Most
ships were struck frozen by the ice-cap and all their crew died of starvation, except the Edward, under senior navigator Richard Chancellor, who entered the
White Sea and reached Arkhangelsk, a small village that would later grow to a port in 1584. There he learned about the wealth and power of the Russian
emperor and journeyed in horse-drawn sleighs, in winter, to Moscow. Although Russia and England had diverging interests in establishing relationships with
each other, the Muscovy Trade Company formed to exploit the new trade was a commercial success, in particular with the Russian fur trade.
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME3407B" #Accept the Agreement
command = { type = treasury value = 100 }
command = { type = merchants value = 2 }
command = { type = trade value = 200 }
command = { type = domestic which = mercantilism value = -1 }
command = { type = population which = 269 value = 500 } #Arkhangelsk
[COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = provinceculture which = 269 value = russian } #Arkhangelsk was colonized by Russians[/COLOR]
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 50 }
}
}
#(1538-1721) Russian rule in Karelia
event = {
id = 271050
trigger = {
owned = { province = 1470 data = -1 } #Karelia
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 1470 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 1470 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 1470 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
event = 271046 #Olonets has to be Russian first
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271050"
desc = "EVENTHIST271050"
#-#There was always minor Russian settlement in the Karelia region, although Russians didn't become the majority until the 19th century. The people of Russian Karelia were accustomed to three centuries of Novgorodian rule and were predominantly Orthodox Christian. Russian influence was evident in all areas of life.
date = { day = 4 month = april year = 1538 } #Death of Yelena Glinskaya, mother of Ivan IV - initiates a period of consolidation of Russia
offset = 7000
deathdate = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 1470 value = russian } #Karelia
command = { type = population which = 1470 value = 100 } #Karelia
}
}
#(1721-1821) Russian rule in Karelia (2nd) - in case Sweden converts it to Ugric/Scandinavian
event = {
id = 271051
trigger = {
owned = { province = 1470 data = -1 } #Karelia
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 1470 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 1470 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 1470 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
OR = { #Olonets has to be Russian first
event = 271046
event = 271047
}
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271050"
desc = "EVENTHIST271050"
#-#There was always minor Russian settlement in the Karelia region, although Russians didn't become the majority until the 19th century. The people of Russian Karelia were accustomed to three centuries of Novgorodian rule and were predominantly Orthodox Christian. Russian influence was evident in all areas of life.
date = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia
offset = 3500
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 1470 value = russian } #Karelia
command = { type = population which = 1470 value = 100 } #Karelia
}
}
#(1538-1617) Russian rule in Kexholm
event = {
id = 271052
trigger = {
owned = { province = 266 data = -1 } #Kexholm
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 266 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 266 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 266 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
event = 271050 #Karelia has to be Russian first
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271052"
desc = "EVENTHIST271052"
#-#There was always minor Russian settlement in the Karelia region, although Russians didn't become the majority until the 19th century. Western Karelia [COLOR="Red"]has been[/COLOR] [COLOR="Yellow"]was[/COLOR] divided between Sweden and Novgorod since the 13th-century Swedish-Novgorodian wars. While Finnish Karelia was predominatly Catholic (later Lutheran) and had strong Western-European influences, Russian Karelia was always Orthodox Christian and was influenced by Russian culture.
date = { day = 4 month = april year = 1538 } #Death of Yelena Glinskaya, mother of Ivan IV - initiates a period of consolidation of Russia
offset = 9000
deathdate = { day = 27 month = february year = 1617 } #Treaty of Stolbovo - Kexholm ceded to Sweden
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 266 value = russian } #Kexholm
command = { type = population which = 266 value = 500 } #Kexholm
}
}
#(1617-1721) Russian rule in Kexholm (2nd) - in case Sweden converts it to Ugric by event
event = {
id = 271053
trigger = {
owned = { province = 266 data = -1 } #Kexholm
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 266 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 266 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 266 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
event = 271050 #Karelia has to be Russian first
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271052"
desc = "EVENTHIST271052"
#-#There was always minor Russian settlement in the Karelia region, although Russians didn't become the majority until the 19th century. Western Karelia [COLOR="Red"]has been[/COLOR] [COLOR="Yellow"]was[/COLOR] divided between Sweden and Novgorod since the 13th-century Swedish-Novgorodian wars. While Finnish Karelia was predominatly Catholic (later Lutheran) and had strong Western-European influences, Russian Karelia was always Orthodox Christian and was influenced by Russian culture.
date = { day = 27 month = february year = 1617 } #Treaty of Stolbovo - Kexholm ceded to Sweden
offset = 6000
deathdate = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 266 value = russian } #Kexholm
command = { type = population which = 266 value = 500 } #Kexholm
}
}
#(1721-1821) Russian rule in Kexholm (3rd) - in case Sweden converts it to Ugric by event
event = {
id = 271054
trigger = {
owned = { province = 266 data = -1 } #Kexholm
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 266 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 266 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 266 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
OR = { #Karelia has to be Russian first
event = 271050
event = 271051
}
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271052"
desc = "EVENTHIST271052"
#-#There was always minor Russian settlement in the Karelia region, although Russians didn't become the majority until the 19th century. Western Karelia [COLOR="Red"]has been[/COLOR] [COLOR="Yellow"]was[/COLOR] divided between Sweden and Novgorod since the 13th-century Swedish-Novgorodian wars. While Finnish Karelia was predominatly Catholic (later Lutheran) and had strong Western-European influences, Russian Karelia was always Orthodox Christian and was influenced by Russian culture.
date = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia
offset = 3000
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 266 value = russian } #Kexholm
command = { type = population which = 266 value = 500 } #Kexholm
}
}
#(1538-1721) Russian rule in Kola
event = {
id = 271055
trigger = {
owned = { province = 262 data = -1 } #Kola
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 262 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 262 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 262 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
event = 271050 #Karelia has to be Russian first
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271055"
desc = "EVENTHIST271055"
#-#The Russians were attracted to the Kola Peninsula by plentiful animals and fish, and a relatively mild climate. The most intensive Russian settlement took place during the 15th and 16th centuries. The Sami people made up a large percentage of permanent population, but they were accustomed to three centuries of Novgorodian rule and were mostly Orthodox Christian.
date = { day = 4 month = april year = 1538 } #Death of Yelena Glinskaya, mother of Ivan IV-initiates a period of consolidation of Russia
offset = 8000
deathdate = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 262 value = russian } #Kola
command = { type = population which = 262 value = 50 } #Kola
}
}
#(1721-1821) Russian rule in Kola (2nd) - in case Sweden converts it to Ugric/Scandinavian
event = {
id = 271056
trigger = {
owned = { province = 262 data = -1 } #Kola
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]control = { province = 262 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
provincereligion = { province = 262 data = orthodox }
NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 262 data = russian }} #Doesn't work
owned = { province = 274 data = -1 } #Novgorod - the Novgorodian Republic was historically friendly towards Karelians
OR = { #Karelia has to be Russian first
event = 271050
event = 271051
}
}
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME271055"
desc = "EVENTHIST271055"
#-#The Russians were attracted to the Kola Peninsula by plentiful animals and fish, and a relatively mild climate. The most intensive Russian settlement took place during the 15th and 16th centuries. The Sami people made up a large percentage of permanent population, but they were accustomed to three centuries of Novgorodian rule and were mostly Orthodox Christian.
date = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia
offset = 4000
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 262 value = russian } #Kola
command = { type = population which = 262 value = 50 } #Kola
}
}
#(1803) The Napoleonic Wars
event = {
id = 12129 #triggered by FRA_12125 A
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME12125" #The Napoleonic Wars
desc = "EVENTHIST12128"
#-#Napoléon argued that he wanted to build a federation of free peoples in a Europe united under a liberal government. But if this was indeed his goal, he intended to achieve it by taking power into his own hands. He supposedly intended to grant constitutions, introduce laws, abolished feudalism, create efficient governments and foster education, science, literature and the arts. The other powers of Europe looked on with alarm at an expansioinist France, bringing its revolutionary ideals and fervour abroad in the wake of Napoléon's military might. Through the Treaties of Tilsit Russia became briefly an ally of France and that is when it attacked Sweden which couldn't count on help of any of its allies at that time. Russia took over Finland easily enough, and though it later turned against France once more, Finland would remain under Russian rule for over a century. Rather than fully incorporate Finland into Russia, tsar Alexander granted Finland autonomy as a grand duchy and Russia respected the constitution, and civil and religious rights already established under Swedish rule; at least for the time being.
action_a = {
name = "WAR"
command = { type = casusbelli which = FRA value = 192 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 150 }
command = { type = relation which = SAV value = 150 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 150 }
command = { type = relation which = PRU value = 150 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 150 }
command = { type = relation which = NAP value = 150 }
command = { type = relation which = POR value = 150 }
command = { type = addcore which = 263 } #Österbotten
command = { type = addcore which = 264 } #Tavastland
command = { type = addcore which = 265 } #Nyland
command = { type = addcore which = 273 } #Savolaks
command = { type = addcore which = 342 } #Finland
[COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = add_countryculture which = ugric }[/COLOR]
}
action_b = {
name = "PEACE"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}
No problem for Finnic since it is more accurate. Livonia is indeed to be checked then.
This discussion is tied to ahistorical development of Denmark or Norway since Sweden gets the Ugric/Finnic culture from start.
So does the High Council approve of the above events? If so, I will make similar events for Sweden so that they can cchange the culture back to Ugric if they conquer and convert a province. Russia can conquer back and convert to orthodox, hence the duplicate events for each province.
I could find little information about Livonia, but I did find some. It seems that Northern portion of Livland was definitely Estonian, while southern part was definitely Latvian. The Livonians were present in the south too though they were in decline by that time. The cities however, most importantly Riga, were predominantly German and Latvian (Riga is capital of Livland in AGCEEP). Dorpat was another city that was predominantly Latvian/Other Baltic/German. Dorpat is the capital of Livland in EU2 vanilla. As time went on, the Latvians partially assimilated the Finnic Livonians, and more of Balts came to Livland from the south. So I'd say change Livland to baltic. Also, as you say, we must consider what-ifs, and I don't think that Sweden would deserve to have that province accepted, by the virtue of city population being mosly Baltic/German, and also because Sweden granted the city significant autonomy once they conquered it. I don't know if it's an argument at all, but in EU3 demo Livland is Latvian...
So does the High Council approve of the above events? If so, I will make similar events for Sweden so that they can cchange the culture back to Ugric if they conquer and convert a province. Russia can conquer back and convert to orthodox, hence the duplicate events for each province.
we already did this with
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9301323&postcount=789
and also look at same thread post 795
First of all, I have no large objections to these proposed events as they are, rightly, only intended to get rid of an unjust disadvantage against Russia. I do however still have a few things to adress:
What about game balance? Will these changes make Russia too strong, not even allowing Sweden its short-lived age of greateness? Russia still has a lot of right-cultured provinces to make it strong, but I hope these changes doesn't "tip the scales" so to speak.
As Toio said, he is proposing to give Sweden Baltic culture during the 17th century, given certain preconditions. Though I am biased towards Sweden, I can't see any historical reason to not do this - game play balance is another issue though, and might have been the reason why Paradox chose to remove the Baltic culture in the later patches.
What do you all think about making random events regarding these changes? As in Russia (+possibly some minors) gets random "culture conversion"-events, as does Sweden (+possibly other nation).
He's talking about provincecultures though, not accepted cultures. (I will edit my event there btw)