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YodaMaster said:
Not changed and this sequence fits the new monarchs list. I just had to tweak STT_283001 (for later Pomeranian capital event) and BRA_132019 (possible cross-vassalization and aberration if war).

For AGCEEP map, Stettin will be in Pommern province and Pomerania area will have three provinces + Pomerelia.


below needs a change as after peace of westphalia , POM should not be able to revolt

POM = { #Pomerania
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
expirydate = { year = 1820 1649 }
minimum = { 302 }
extra = { 304 }
capital = 302
group = latin
#ai = "Peaceful.ai"
ai = "SmallTrade1.ai"
}


do not understand this
For AGCEEP map, Stettin will be in Pommern province and Pomerania area will have three provinces + Pomerelia. Which areas?

maybe the confusion is from me, as i use the word stettin to represent the city and use STT to prepresent vorpommern
 
Toio said:
do not understand this
For AGCEEP map, Stettin will be in Pommern province and Pomerania area will have three provinces + Pomerelia. Which areas?
See the map. Pomerania area is Vorpommern, Pommern and Hinterpommern.

I was mentioning Stettin as the city but Pomerania-Stettin (the country) will go in the same province.
 
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Duchy of Warsaw and Congress Poland

Long forgotten..

France:
Code:
#(1807-1820) The Duchy of Warsaw
event = {
	id = 170283
	trigger = {
		monarch = 049539 #Napoléon Ier
		OR = {
			vassal = { country = FRA country = POL }
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 291 data = -1 } #Masovia
				control = { province = 291 data = -1 } #Masovia
				NOT = { exists = POL }
			}
		}
		OR = {
			AND = {
				exists = SAC
				OR = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = SAC }
					AND = {
						NOT = {
							war = { country = FRA country = SAC }
						}
						relation = { country = SAC data = -50 }
					}
				}
			}
			vassal = { country = FRA country = SAC }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "EVENTNAME170283" #The creation of the Duchy of Warsaw
	desc = "EVENTHIST170283"
	#-#

	date = { day = 6 month = july year = 1807 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170283A" #Make Friedrich August Duke of Warsaw
		command = { type = independence which = POL }
		command = { type = alliance which = POL }
		command = { type = alliance which = SAC }
		command = { type = relation which = SAC value = 100 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 258089 } #POL: The creation of the Duchy of Warsaw
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170283B" #Don't change the situation in Poland
		command = { type = relation which = SAC value = -200 }
		command = { type = vp value = -50 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 10 }
	}
}
EVENTNAME170283;The creation of the Duchy of Warsaw;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST170283;The Duchy of Warsaw was a Polish state established by Napoléon in 1807 from the Polish lands ceded by the Kingdom of Prussia under the terms of the Treaties of Tilsit. The duchy was held in personal union by one of Napoléon's allies, King Friedrich August III of Saxony.\n Following Napoléon's failed invasion of Russia, the duchy was occupied by Prussian and Russian troops until 1815, when it was formally partitioned between the two countries at the Congress of Vienna.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME170283A;Make Friedrich August Duke of Warsaw;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME170283B;Don't change the situation in Poland;;;;;;;;;;

Code:
#(1810-1820) The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland
event = {
	id = 170284
	trigger = {
		event = 170126 #FRA: Napoléon's ambitions
		exists = RUS
		OR = {
			exists = POL
			AND = {
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 291 data = -1 } #Masovia
					owned = { province = 292 data = -1 } #Podlasia
					owned = { province = 300 data = -1 } #Wielkopolska
				}
				NOT = {
					owned = { province = 291 data = RUS } #Masovia
				}
				NOT = { exists = POL }
			}
		}
		OR = {
			event = 3785
			event = 3786
			event = 3787
			event = 3788
			event = 3789
		} #FRA: The Restoration of the Monarchy (in France)
	}
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "EVENTNAME170284" #The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland
	desc = "EVENTHIST170284"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1810 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170128A" #Back to our pre-revolutionary borders
		command = { type = independence which = POL }
		#Polish territories if Poland alredy exist
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 291 } #Masovia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 292 } #Podlasia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 297 } #Podolia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 298 } #Galizien
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 299 } #Krakow
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 300 } #Wielkopolska
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 303 } #Poznan
		command = { type = trigger which = 258091 } #POL: The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland
		#Polish territories under Austrian influence
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 298 } #Galizien
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 299 } #Krakow
		#Polish territories under Prussian influence
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = PRU value = 303 } #Poznan
		#Polish territories under Russian influence
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 297 } #Podolia
		#Other possible Polish cores under Russian influence
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 280 } #Welikia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 281 } #Polotsk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 284 } #Belarus
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 285 } #Smolensk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 286 } #Kursk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 287 } #Mozyr
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 288 } #Lithuania
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 293 } #Volyn
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 294 } #Chernigov
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 295 } #Ukraina
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 296 } #Jedisan
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 450 } #Belgorod
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 460 } #Donetsk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 461 } #Poltava
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 462 } #Krementjug
	}
}
EVENTNAME170284;The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST170284;In the Congress of Vienna, Poland again was the victim of the victorious powers appetite. As most Poles had been staunch supporters of the French to the very end - only a group of Polish nobles around Prince Adam Czartoryski had accepted the Czar as Poland's lord - they were not represented on the Congress. Russian Czar Alexander planned the reestablihment of a Polish Kingdom in dynastic union with Russia. This kingdom would comprise of the Duchy of Warsaw an possibly include territories further east, acquired by Russia in the Polish Partitions 1772-1795.\n However, the British side had objections, and a compromise was found according to which the province of Posen became Prussian, and the rest of the Duchy of Poland (Congress Poland) was reestablished as a Kingdom, in dynastic union with Russia. Cracow was declared a free city under the joint protection of its three neighbours, Austria, Prussia and Russia.;;;;;;;;;;

Poland:
Code:
#(1807-1820) The creation of the Duchy of Warsaw
event = {
	id = 258089 #triggered by FRA_170283 A
	random = no
	country = POL
	name = "EVENTNAME170283" #The creation of the Duchy of Warsaw
	desc = "EVENTHIST170283"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "VIVAT"
		command = { type = flagname which = "Duchy" }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0109538 } #Tadeusz Kosciuszko
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 0109535 } #Fryderyk August I
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 300 }
		command = { type = relation which = SAC value = 300 }
		command = { type = dynastic which = SAC }
	}
}

Code:
#(1807-1820) Constitution of the Duchy of Warsaw
event = {
	id = 258090
	trigger = {
		monarch = 0109535 #Fryderyk August I
	}
	random = no
	country = POL
	name = "EVENTNAME258090" #Constitution of the Duchy of Warsaw
	desc = "EVENTHIST258090"
	#-#

	date = { day = 21 month = july year = 1807 }
	offset = 1
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME258090A" #Issue it
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = -3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -4 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 3 }
	}
}
EVENTNAME258090;Constitution of the Duchy of Warsaw;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST258090;The Constitution of the Duchy of Warsaw was passed by Napoléon on 22 July 1807 in Dresden. Together with the Napoleonic code it was a significant reform of the Polish law and government in the new Duchy of Warsaw. The new laws abolished legal distinction by social classes (nobility, peasantry, townsfolk) by introducing a principle that all people are equal before the law. Serfdom was abolished, and personal liberty guaranteed.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME258090A;Issue it;;;;;;;;;;

Code:
#(1810-1820) Alexander becomes King of Poland
event = {
	id = 258094 #triggered by RUS_271020
	random = no
	country = POL
	name = "EVENTNAME271020" #Alexander becomes King of Poland
	desc = "EVENTHIST170284"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "OK"
		command = { type = flagname which = "Congress" }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 0109539 } #Aleksander Romanow
	}
}

Code:
#(1810-1820) The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland
event = {
	id = 258091 #triggered by FRA_170284
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			monarch = 0109535 #Fryderyk August I
			monarch = 0109539 #Aleksander Romanow
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = POL
	name = "EVENTNAME170284" #The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland
	desc = "EVENTHIST170284"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "OK"
		command = { type = flagname which = "Congress" }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0109535 } #Fryderyk August I
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 0109539 } #Aleksander Romanow
		command = { type = breakvassal which = FRA }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 4 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -3 }
		#Polish cores under Russian influence
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 297 } #Podolia
		command = { type = removecore which = 297 } #Podolia
		#Other possible Polish cores under Russian influence
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 280 } #Welikia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 281 } #Polotsk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 284 } #Belarus
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 285 } #Smolensk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 286 } #Kursk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 287 } #Mozyr
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 288 } #Lithuania
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 293 } #Volyn
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 294 } #Chernigov
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 295 } #Ukraina
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 296 } #Jedisan
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 450 } #Belgorod
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 460 } #Donetsk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 461 } #Poltava
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 462 } #Krementjug
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 282 } #Livland
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 281 } #Polotsk
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 276 } #Estland
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 275 } #Ingermanland
		command = { type = removecore which = 280 } #Welikia
		command = { type = removecore which = 281 } #Polotsk
		command = { type = removecore which = 284 } #Belarus
		command = { type = removecore which = 285 } #Smolensk
		command = { type = removecore which = 286 } #Kursk
		command = { type = removecore which = 287 } #Mozyr
		command = { type = removecore which = 288 } #Lithuania
		command = { type = removecore which = 293 } #Volyn
		command = { type = removecore which = 294 } #Chernigov
		command = { type = removecore which = 295 } #Ukraina
		command = { type = removecore which = 296 } #Jedisan
		command = { type = removecore which = 450 } #Belgorod
		command = { type = removecore which = 460 } #Donetsk
		command = { type = removecore which = 461 } #Poltava
		command = { type = removecore which = 462 } #Krementjug
		command = { type = removecore which = 302 } #Hinterpommern
		command = { type = removecore which = 282 } #Livland
		command = { type = removecore which = 281 } #Polotsk
		command = { type = removecore which = 276 } #Estland
		command = { type = removecore which = 275 } #Ingermanland
		command = { type = trigger which = 258092 } #POL: The Kingdom of Poland and Prussia
		command = { type = trigger which = 258093 } #POL: The Kingdom of Poland and Austria
		command = { type = trigger which = 271019 } #RUS: The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland
	}
}

Code:
#(1810-1820) The Kingdom of Poland and Prussia
event = {
	id = 258092 #triggered by POL_258091
	trigger = {
		neighbour = PRU
	}
	random = no
	country = POL
	name = "EVENTNAME258092" #The Kingdom of Poland and Prussia
	desc = "EVENTHIST170284"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "OK"
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = PRU value = 290 } #Prussia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = PRU value = 313 } #Küstrin
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = PRU value = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = PRU value = 289 } #Memel
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = PRU value = 303 } #Poznan
		command = { type = removecore which = 290 } #Prussia
		command = { type = removecore which = 313 } #Küstrin
		command = { type = removecore which = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = removecore which = 289 } #Memel
		command = { type = removecore which = 303 } #Poznan
	}
}
EVENTNAME258092;The Kingdom of Poland and Prussia;;;;;;;;;;

Code:
#(1810-1820) The Kingdom of Poland and Austria
event = {
	id = 258093 #triggered by POL_258091
	trigger = {
		neighbour = HAB
	}
	random = no
	country = POL
	name = "EVENTNAME258093" #The Kingdom of Poland and Austria
	desc = "EVENTHIST170284"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "OK"
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 298 } #Galizien
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 299 } #Krakow
		command = { type = removecore which = 298 } #Galizien
		command = { type = removecore which = 299 } #Krakow
	}
}
EVENTNAME258093;The Kingdom of Poland and Austria;;;;;;;;;;

Reworked monarchs:
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 0109535 }
	startdate = {
		day = [COLOR=Red]9[/COLOR][COLOR=Yellow]6[/COLOR]
		month = july
		year = 1807
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 4
		month = may
		year = 1827
	}
	name = "Fryderyk August I"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 6
	dormant = yes
	remark = "Duke, deposed by Congress of Vienna, in Saxony 0118019"
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 0109539 }
	startdate = {
		[COLOR=Red]day = 9
		month = june
		year = 1815[/COLOR]
		[COLOR=Yellow]day = 1
		month = january
		year = 1810[/COLOR]
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 0
		month = december
		year = 1825
	}
	name = "Aleksander Romanow"
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 6
	dormant = yes
	remark = "King of Poland, also Tsar of Russia"
}

Russia:
Code:
#(1810-1820) The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland -I-
event = {
	id = 271019 #triggered by POL_258091
	random = no
	country = RUS
	name = "EVENTNAME170284" #The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland
	desc = "EVENTHIST170284"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 291 } #Masovia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 292 } #Podlasia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 300 } #Wielkopolska
		command = { type = vassal which = POL }
		command = { type = alliance which = POL }
		command = { type = dynastic which = POL }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 271020 } #RUS: The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland -II-
	}
}

Code:
#(1810-1820) The restoration of the Kingdom of Poland -II-
event = {
	id = 271020
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 291 data = -1 } #Masovia
		control = { province = 291 data = -1 } #Masovia
		NOT = { exists = POL }
		OR = {
			event = 170128 #FRA: The restoration of the European monarchies
			event = 170030 #FRA: The Restoration of the Italian monarchies
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = RUS
	name = "EVENTNAME271020" #Alexander becomes King of Poland
	desc = "EVENTHIST170284"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1810 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME271020A" #Agree with the compromise
		command = { type = independence which = POL }
		command = { type = trigger which = 258094 } #POL: Alexander King of Poland
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME271020B" #Poland is all ours!
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = PRU value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -200 }
		command = { type = vp value = -50 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 10 }
	}
}
EVENTNAME271020;Alexander becomes King of Poland;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME271020A;Agree with the compromise;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME271020B;Poland is all ours!;;;;;;;;;;


Duchy set for Poland:

shieldpolduchyke4.png

smallshieldpolduchywc4.png


shieldpolduchyme9.png

smallshieldpolduchysr3.png


flagpolduchyrr6.png



Congress set for Poland:

shieldpolcongressry4.png

smallshieldpolcongressbz5.png


shieldpolcongressmm5.png

smallshieldpolcongressio7.png


flagpolcongresshn8.png


About Congress set, I'm not sure for the background color of the CoA and for the flag. See wiki and FOTW.
Because of the 1815 flag in FOTW, I applied yellow background instead of white. There is a link in Polish for the 1815 flag but...

EDIT: added secede commands in RUS_271019.
 
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Toio said:
below needs a change as after peace of westphalia , POM should not be able to revolt

POM = { #Pomerania
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
expirydate = { year = 1820 1649 }
minimum = { 302 }
extra = { 304 }
capital = 302
group = latin
#ai = "Peaceful.ai"
ai = "SmallTrade1.ai"
}
And why not after the death of Bogislaw XIV:
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 0110009 }
	startdate = {
		day = 6
		month = february
		year = 1620
	}
	deathdate = {
		[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]day = 10
		month = march
		year = 1637[/COLOR]
	}
	name = "Bogislaw XIV"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 3
	MIL = 3
	dormant = no
}
HRE events will include NOT year = 1637 as condition for independence of POM.


STT entry could be tweaked too to match the death of Otto III:
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 0129502 }
	startdate = {
		day = 28
		month = may
		year = 1460
	}
	deathdate = {
		[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]day = 9
		month = september
		year = 1464[/COLOR]
	}
	name = "Otto III"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no
}
Code:
STT = { #Stettin
	no = POM
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
	[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]expirydate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1569 }[/COLOR]
	minimum = { 304 }
	extra = { 302 }
	capital = 304
	group = latin
	#ai = "peaceful.ai"
	ai = "SmallTrade1.ai"
}
And same principle for year condition in HRE events.
 
YodaMaster said:
And why not after the death of Bogislaw XIV:
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 0110009 }
	startdate = {
		day = 6
		month = february
		year = 1620
	}
	deathdate = {
		[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]day = 10
		month = march
		year = 1637[/COLOR]
	}
	name = "Bogislaw XIV"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 3
	MIL = 3
	dormant = no
}
HRE events will include NOT year = 1637 as condition for independence of POM.


STT entry could be tweaked too to match the death of Otto III:
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 0129502 }
	startdate = {
		day = 28
		month = may
		year = 1460
	}
	deathdate = {
		[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]day = 9
		month = september
		year = 1464[/COLOR]
	}
	name = "Otto III"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no
}
Code:
STT = { #Stettin
	no = POM
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
	[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]expirydate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1569 }[/COLOR]
	minimum = { 304 }
	extra = { 302 }
	capital = 304
	group = latin
	#ai = "peaceful.ai"
	ai = "SmallTrade1.ai"
}
And same principle for year condition in HRE events.

on POM, although the monarch died in 1637 the outcome on a new monarch for POM via a distant cousin was undecided due to the 30 YW , in the end SWE and BRA split the country for themselves, so I am easy if you want 1638

on STT the duchy rose again in 1532 under Barnim IX and he then resigned his duchy back to POM in 1569........the duchy was only in the city of stettin (neustettin) so basically , we cannot have POM and STT share stettin as IRL , so i thought that the possibility of STT revolting if POM did not exist was justified.
 
Toio said:
on POM, although the monarch died in 1637 the outcome on a new monarch for POM via a distant cousin was undecided due to the 30 YW , in the end SWE and BRA split the country for themselves, so I am easy if you want 1638
ok for this:
Code:
POM = { #Pomerania
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
	[COLOR=Red]expirydate = { year = 1820 }[/COLOR]
	[COLOR=Yellow]expirydate = { day = 9 month = march year = 1637 } #just before the death of Bogislaw XIV[/COLOR]
	minimum = { 302 }
	extra = { 304 }
	capital = 302
	group = latin
	#ai = "Peaceful.ai"
	ai = "SmallTrade1.ai"
}
and NOT year = 1637 for condition in HRE events.
We can't check day and month in conditions and it could be weird to see POM appearing without Bogislaw XIV. For the beginning of the year, we could say Bogislaw was "ill" and died prematurely...


Toio said:
on STT the duchy rose again in 1532 under Barnim IX and he then resigned his duchy back to POM in 1569........the duchy was only in the city of stettin (neustettin) so basically , we cannot have POM and STT share stettin as IRL , so i thought that the possibility of STT revolting if POM did not exist was justified.
No change for this then.
 
YodaMaster said:
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FOTW.
Because of the 1815 flag in FOTW, I applied yellow background instead of white. There is a link in Polish for the 1815 flag but...

EDIT: added secede commands in RUS_.

what do you need?
 
YodaMaster said:
To know if CoA and flag I proposed for Congress Poland are really accurate or not.

According to viki, yes. I will check in book at home.
However according the same viki flag of Warsaw Duchy should be different:
Warsaw Duchy

Additionally do you introduce Free City of Krakow? (another of Congress of Vienna Children's :

Free City of Kraków )
 
zdlugasz said:
According to viki, yes. I will check in book at home.
However according the same viki flag of Warsaw Duchy should be different:
Warsaw Duchy
Thanks. Waiting for confirmation about the flag of the Duchy and information for Congress Poland.

zdlugasz said:
Additionally do you introduce Free City of Krakow? (another of Congress of Vienna Children's :

Free City of Kraków )
No, we don't represent free cities (AGCEEP rule). As you can see in the events, Krakow province is devoted to Austria for simplification.
 
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YodaMaster said:
No, we don't represent free cities (AGCEEP rule). As you can see in the events, Krakow province is devoted to Austria for simplification.

It was also province (not the city exclusively), later renamed Duchy, but who cares for 1 province minor without much history (although I guess that Germany still have some).
 
Regarding CoAs they are OK, I have seen them in 3 books (IIRC without those blue stripes/ribbons around Romanov;s eagle head, but it might be another version).

Regarding flags: what is their purpose? what do they represent?
The truth is that first "real flag" was established in 1831 (the same as modern one). White and red colors have been established as national one in 1792, so in that sense flag after 1792 should be white and red.

If flag means banners/standards of regiments/brigades etc. then that for Warsaw Duchy is completely wrong - I have seen pictures of some standards and they hold only eagle - more or less the same as on the right side of CoA (and I can not really see Polish patriots wanting to have anything in common with Wettin). Wettin was figurehead and in fact resided almost all time in Saxony. Duchy was ruled by rich nobility, but real power had French residents watching whether directives sent from Paris were fulfilled.

During (Congress) Kingdom of Poland - formal name was Kindom of Poland btw, I can not say right now what kind of banners were used. However I have seen that Polish regiments during November Uprising 1830/1831 were using only eagle (obviously, as before: in Napoleonic times and before Partitions)
 
Thanks.

Flag represent the most common used flag of the period, national one if it exists is the best.

Flag of the Duchy of Warsaw should be horizontal Red and White then. Confirmation in FOTW:
"Grand Duchy of Warsaw had flag horizontally white-amaranth"

About Kingdom of Poland, I'll wait but proposed one seems fine according to both Wiki and FOTW sources.


Btw, according to this site in Polish, couldn't Commonwealth flag (flag_polUnion in AGCEEP) be redrawn according to XVI & XVII one?
I don't understand what is written but is this flag right?
 
YodaMaster said:
Btw, according to this site in Polish, couldn't Commonwealth flag (flag_polUnion in AGCEEP) be redrawn according to XVI & XVII one?
I don't understand what is written but is this flag right?

That page is about flags used by the navy ( when it has existed ) you know like jolly roger for pirates.
 
YodaMaster said:
Thanks.

Flag represent the most common used flag of the period, national one if it exists is the best.
Used by whom? Land troops? Navy? King? I dunno if somebody else used flags.

If used by ruler - then it would correspond to CoA.
If regiment's banners - I have seen white eagles on red (both on paintings and some photos - for Duchy)

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Btw, according to this site in Polish, couldn't Commonwealth flag (flag_polUnion in AGCEEP) be redrawn according to XVI & XVII one?
I don't understand what is written but is this flag right?

This page shows jacks/colours (naval falgs) some of them used only for merchant fleet !!!

They have subpage showing royal flags .

They have subpage about historical flags too. According to this page these Congers flag was naval flag used by Black see Trading Company ). Alexander restored this flag for use in Kingdom of Poland and it was used as jack by two ships on Vistula. However if it was used as flag is unclear (rough translation). The same translation appears on the FotW page and there is discussion in English that it was probably naval flag only.

To be completely clear white-amarant flag was officially established in 1831, before these colors have been established as national ones, but not as a flag.

I frankly speaking I have problems finding info, most probably they did not use flags, only regiments had their own standards.
During Kosciuszko Uprising and Warsaw Duchy very often white bow/loop was used as "Polish" sign (Kosciuszko used one). Such loop was used even before during Wettin rule. Same used French colored loops to indicate revolutionary spirit or red-blue loops where blue indicated Lithuania and red Poland (and I have fond that Sejm of Warsaw Duchy in 1812 established amarant and blue as official colors - but not flag!).

I mean - it was a mess.
 
about Army of Congress Poland - in Polish

According to this page Army had Polish banners and flags. One Standard is shown (top picture). It is written that Tsar Alexander I agreed (already in 1814) that troops will be allowed to keep loops in Polish colors.
Oath was to king (tsar). And even constitution of Kingdom allowed for Polish uniform and national symbols (art. 156)


Edit:

I have rechecked CoAs: that for Congress Poland was without blue ribbon (I have also seen coin from 1818 with this coat - without ribbon). However this ribbon might be purely decorative - I have no idea about heraldry.

Regarding banner shown above: I have found it in one book as well - it belonged to 1st regiment of foot shooters.

Banner of another regiment (from 1808) was showing only eagle (picture was black-white, so dunno about colors) there was date, and eagle hold apple and sword instead of scepter.
 
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YodaMaster said:
Or the most representative (well known) if you prefer. There is no written rule.

As the most representative I would leave regiment banners with white eagle on the red, even for Duchy and Congress Kingdom, however of course shape of eagle changed in time - but it is just my personal opinion.
White-red ribbons (or other) were accompanying banner and soldiers were wearing them, only later this evolved into national flag.

Both Internet pages (probably one citing another) agree that flag with blue cross was used on two steam ships on Vistula, and that nothing more is sure. Other suggest usage of CoA as banner (however Royal, and army had right to use Polish symbols).

I do not have AGCEEP installed right now so I can not say anything about Commonwealth flag used in mod, but it since it represent two countries in union, it should include both Polish Eagle and Lithuanian "Pogoń" (lit. Vytis, eng. Chaser)
 
zdlugasz said:
As the most representative I would leave regiment banners with white eagle on the red, even for Duchy and Congress Kingdom, however of course shape of eagle changed in time - but it is just my personal opinion.
White-red ribbons (or other) were accompanying banner and soldiers were wearing them, only later this evolved into national flag.

Both Internet pages (probably one citing another) agree that flag with blue cross was used on two steam ships on Vistula, and that nothing more is sure. Other suggest usage of CoA as banner (however Royal, and army had right to use Polish symbols).

I do not have AGCEEP installed right now so I can not say anything about Commonwealth flag used in mod, but it since it represent two countries in union, it should include both Polish Eagle and Lithuanian "Pogoń" (lit. Vytis, eng. Chaser)
AGCEEP Poland-Lithuania presently uses the flag I proposed long time ago: mixed red-white-red-white strips (you know the one often used by the monarchs and the army during the Vasas) with the traditional quartered crowned Polish and Lithuanian coat-of-arms...
 
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