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Jinnai said:
I think date use in trigger is better imo for something meant to fire anytime and meant to have such a short offset. Less loading time required.

Also continent only being set to america is not enough. USA can form with few enough costal provinces. Then they can take that province before anyone else.
Date in trigger is only for random events. We need date, offset and deathdate for such events.

I updated post #879. Events only apply "wrongly" to Pagan countries colonizing the provinces now. We don't need "Foreign Invaders Ravage ..." events anymore.
 

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The Disease events were specific to each NA tag. Is there a problem with them? If not, then they should simply stay. Otherwise, their effects could be incorporated into the province based events.
 

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The Disease events were specific to each NA tag. Is there a problem with them? If not, then they should simply stay. Otherwise, their effects could be incorporated into the province based events.
Yes, they are specific. I just needed confirmation. They will stay. Thanks.
 

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People’s History of the American Revolution, The Founding Myths

Posted in this thread here. Thought it interesting so I'm quoting it and filing it here, where it won't be as inclinded to lose itself...

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Real people, not paper heroes, make history. That’s why people’s history is so important — but myths we accept as truth have kept common people from assuming center stage.

Take the Revolutionary War. Our nation owes its independence to farmers in mud-caked boots as much as to the famous “Founding Fathers” in dress suits and wigs. The United States was created not by isolated acts of individual achievement but by the revolutionary activities of people who had learned the power of collective action. This rich and very democratic heritage remains untapped because our founding myths, warmed-over morality tales conjured in the nineteenth century, have hidden it from view.

The sprawling story of our nation’s rambunctious Revolution needs to be told, and neither popular authors nor school textbooks are doing the job. Not one current text tells of the initial overthrow of British authority by common farmers or the ninety local declarations of independence that preceded the congressional document. Although they are more inclusive than they used to be, textbooks still pass on one mistaken legend after another to the upcoming generation.

Ray Raphael’s American Revolution trilogy — People’s History of the American Revolution, The First American Revolution, and Founding Myths — gives to the American public a more exciting, more democratic, and decidedly more revolutionary view of the founding of the United States. People can seize control of their own political destinies — the American Revolution is a case in point, a model for all time. “Government has now devolved upon the people,” wrote one disgruntled Tory in 1774, “and they seem to be for using it.” That’s a story we do not have to conjure, and what an epic it is.
Ray Raphael and “People’s History” — a lifelong commitment

Here’s what Ray Raphael said in his first book, An Everyday History of Somewhere (Alfred A. Knopf, 1974), a groundbreaking work that won the Commonwealth Club award for the best book of the year about California:

“History is legend, and legends tend to deal with the extraordinary rather than the ordinary. Perhaps this is why the everyday histories never get told. Our society, like others, has certain legends which explain our origins and our past, and it is these legends that we learned in school.”

Three decades and twelve books later, Raphael is still applying a “bottom-up” approach by probing the history of the American Revolution and our nation’s founding.

In 2001 he published his critically acclaimed People’s History of the American Revolution, the first volume of Howard Zinn’s new People’s History Series. “Ray Raphael has probably altered the way in which future historians will see events,” wrote the London Sunday Times. “His narrative is a tour de force.”

The following year, in The First American Revolution, he presented a close-up of one very dramatic episode which has been hidden from history: the forcible overthrow of British authority in 1774, staged by tens of thousands of common farmers throughout Massachusetts the year before Lexington and Concord.

Now, in the fall of 2004, Raphael concludes his American Revolution trilogy with Founding Myths: Stories that Hide our Patriotic Past. Why do feel-good legends of our nation’s founding get passed on from generation to generation, while the true story of a genuine revolution goes untold? In Founding Myths, Raphael takes nothing for granted. By deconstructing thirteen of our most accepted tales — Paul Revere’s Ride, the “Shot Heard Round the World,” the winter at Valley Forge, and so on — he explores the intriguing intersection between story-making and history-making.

http://rayraphael.com/index.htm

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The Quiz with answers

1. Who first said that Samuel Adams triggered the American Revolution by stirring up the Boston “mob”?

A. John Adams, Samuel’s cousin
B. Samuel Adams himself
C. Boston’s Tories
D. Boston’s patriots
E. The Daughters of the American Revolution

C. How strange that the Samuel Adams legend, which we now deem patriotic, comes from Boston’s Tories, who were trying to discredit their political opponent. See Founding Myths, chapter 3.



2. Who wrote the speech that ended with “Give me liberty, or give me death!”?
A. Samuel Adams, 1773
B. Patrick Henry, 1775
C. Nathan Hale, 1776
D. Tom Paine, 1776
E. William Wirt, 1817

E. William Wirt wrote the speech we now attribute to Patrick Henry 42 years later, 18 years after Henry himself had died. See Founding Myths, chapter 8.



3. Who spread the word that the British were headed toward Lexington and Concord?
A. Paul Revere, who saw two lanterns in the Old North Church
B. Paul Revere and William Dawes, who alerted the people of Concord
C. Samuel Adams, who knew in advance the British were on their way
D. Sybil Ludington, a female messenger who passed through the British guard undetected
E. Joseph Warren and hundreds of others, who had been expecting the event

E. Revere never saw the lanterns, nor did he reach Concord that night. See Founding Myths, chapter 1.



4. During the time of the Revolutionary War, who was Boston’s most honored patriot?
A. Paul Revere
B. Joseph Warren
C. Samuel Adams
D. John Adams
E. Abigail Adams

B. Dr. Warren, the Revolutionary activist who was killed during the Battle of Bunker Hill, became the first and greatest martyr of the American Revolution. See Founding Myths, chapter 1 and 3.



5. When and where did patriots first depose British-appointed officials?
A. Boston, December 16, 1773
B. Great Barrington, Massachusetts, August 16, 1774
C. Richmond, Virginia, March 23, 1775
D. Lexington and Concord, April 19, 1775
E. Philadelphia, July 4, 1776

B. 1,500 people shut down the government at Great Barrington. In the weeks to follow, thousands and thousands of others followed by toppling British authority in all of Massachusetts outside of Boston. See First American Revolution, chapters 3 and 4, and Founding Myths, chapter 4.


6. The first British fort seized by the patriots in the American Revolution was
A. Fort William and Mary, 1774
B. Fort Ticonderoga, 1775
C. Fort Quebec, 1776
D. Fort Washington, 1776
E. Fort Sumpter, 1861

A. Four months before his ride to Lexington, Paul Revere rode to Portsmouth, New Hampshire, to warn patriots there that the British were intending to re-enforce Fort William and Mary. Patriots seized the fort and confiscated all the weapons. See First American Revolution, chapter 6, and Founding Myths, chapter 4.


7. Where was the patriots’ resistance so strong that the British dared not attack?
A. New York City
B. Philadelphia
C. Worcester, Massachusetts
D. Salem, Massachusetts
E. Concord, Massachusetts

C. The British did indeed attack the other four locations, but spies warned General Gage that his soldiers would be crushed in Worcester, where patriots had seized control of the government and were stockpiling weapons. See First American Revolution, chapter 6, and Founding Myths, chapter 4.


8. Who wrote that “all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent natural rights”?
A. Samuel Adams, December, 1773
B. Patrick Henry, March, 1775
C. Thomas Paine, January, 1776
D. George Mason, June, 1776
E. Thomas Jefferson, July, 1776

D. George Mason penned these words while Jefferson was starting to write the Declaration of Independence, which echoed Mason closely. See Founding Myths, chapter 6.

9. Which body of patriots first suggested that the patriots set up their own government, without British approval?
A. Boston Town Meeting, December, 1773
B. Virginia House of Burgesses, June, 1774
C. Worcester Town Meeting, October, 1774
D. First Continental Congress, November, 1774
E. Second Continental Congress, July, 1776

C. Exactly 21 months before Congress approved the final wording of the Declaration of Independence, patriots in Worcester declared the “dissolution” of the old government and announced that they were ready to create “from the ashes of the Phenix a new form … wherein all officers shall be dependent on the suffrages of the people.” See First American Revolution, chapter 5, and Founding Myths, chapter 4.



10. The Declaration of Independence was
A. Signed by all members of the Continental Congress who were present on July 4, 1776.
B. Signed by all members of the Continental Congress who were present on August 2, 1776.
C. Signed by fourteen members of the Continental Congress who were not present on July 4, 1776.
D. Approved by thirteen states on July 2, 1776.
E. Approved by thirteen states on July 4, 1776.

C. Only 12 states voted for Independence on July 2 and approved the Declaration on July 4. The “signing” was after-the-fact, starting on August 2, continuing to the next year, and including several congressmen who had not even been elected on July 4. See Founding Myths, Conclusion.



11. Mary Hayes, of Carlisle, Pennsylvania
A. Carried water in a pitcher to thirsty soldiers at the Battle of Monmouth.
B. Took her husband’s place at a cannon at the Battle of Monmouth.
C. Was given a medal by George Washington.
D. All of the above.
E. Was exhumed from her grave a century after the Battle of Monmouth and declared to be “Molly Pitcher.”

E. “Molly Pitcher” is a compete fabrication, a composite of folkloric traditions. She did not acquire her name until 70 years later, and the legend did not fix on a historic individual until 100 years after-the-fact. See Founding Myths, chapter 2.



12.The most famous female patriot at the time of the American Revolution was
A. Mary Hayes, the beloved “Molly Pitcher.”
B. Margaret Corbin, the celebrated “Captain Molly.”
C. Deborah Sampson, female soldier
D. Abigail Adams, who asked her husband John to “Remember the Ladies.”
E. Martha Washington, wife of George Washington

E. Hayes and Corbin were “camp followers,” uncelebrated during their lifetimes. Sampson became a minor celebrity in the 1790s, because of her lecture tour. Adams’s private words to her husband were not known publicly, and they would not have been celebrated in any case. Martha Washington, of course, achieved some renown because of her husband. See Founding Myths, chapter 2, and People’s History, chapter 3.



13.The coldest winter during the Revolutionary War (and for 400 years of recorded on the East Coast of the United States) was
A. 1775-1776 (the siege of Boston)
B. 1776-1777 (crossing the Delaware)
C. 1777-1778 (winter camp at Valley Forge)
D. 1779-1780 (winter camp at Morristown)
E. 1781-1782 (Washington’s headquarters at White Plains)

D. The winter at Valley Forge, associated in legend with cold weather, was milder than the historic average. During the “Hard Winter” of 1779-1780, the entire New York harbor froze solid, as did parts of the Chesapeake and saltwater bays as far south as North Carolina. See Founding Myths, chapter 5.


14. At Valley Forge, soldiers satisfied their hunger by
A. Praying for George Washington
B. Training with Baron Von Steuben
C. Receiving supplies from the French
D. Pillaging from local farmers
E. Petitioning Congress for more food

D. Unless they fended for themselves, more soldiers would have perished. Praying, petitioning, and training did not feed bellies, and in the dead of winter the French had not yet come on board. See Founding Myths, chapter 5, and People’s History, chapter 2.



15. “Tarleton’s Quarter” was a
A. Brothel at Valley Forge
B. Continental coin issued briefly in 1780, which quickly devalued
C. Patriots’ rallying cry
D. British command post in New York City
E. Notorious British prison in the harbor of Charleston, South Carolina

C. Revenge fed on itself. Alleging that the British officer, Banastre Tarleton, had denied quarter to surrendering Americans, the patriots responded with similar acts of brutality. See Founding Myths, chapter 11 and People’s History, chapters 2 and 4.



16. What were you most likely to do if you were drafted into the Continental Army and you didn’t want to fight?
A. Hire a substitute, if you could afford it
B. Flee to Canada
C. Get a religious exemption from your minister
D. Organize a draft resisters’ league
E. You had to serve anyway, or you’d get tarred and feathered

A. A rich draftee could buy his way out by hiring a poor man or teenage boy to take his place. See Founding Myths, chapter 5, and People’s History, chapter 2.



17. Of the soldiers who died in the American Revolution, most perished
A. In battle
B. In prison
C. While marching
D. From disease
E. At Valley Forge

D. Diseases ran rampant. Although no exact numbers can be had, Military historian Howard Peckham concludes that about 10,000 patriot soldiers succumbed to disease, 7,000 perished in battle, and 8,500 died in prison. See People’s History, chapter 2.



18. As a percent of the nation’s population at the time, there were more American deaths in the Revolutionary War than in any other war except
A. War of 1812
B. Civil War
C. World War I
D. World War II
E. Vietnam War

B. If the same percent died today, that would be about 2,500,000. No twentieth century war came close. See People’s History, chapter 2.



19. Which of these statements is not true of Loyalists in the American Revolution
A. They accounted for one-third of the population.
B. Many poor Loyalists sided with the Crown in order to oppose rich patriots.
C. Loyalists, unaided by British soldiers, fought many battles against patriots in the South.
D. 80,000 – 100,000 Loyalists emigrated from the United States during or after the war.
E. Suspected Loyalists were hung by their thumbs from a walnut tree in Judge Lynch’s yard until they shouted “liberty forever!”

A. The “one-third” estimate comes from taking statements by John Adams totally out of context. There are no reasonable estimates, and the one-third figure is totally implausible. See Founding Myths, chapter 7, and People’s History, chapter 4.


20. Dunkers and Schwenkfelders were
A. Religious pacifistic sects
B. Hessian serfs forced to fight in the American Revolution
C. Artillery adapted for the siege of forts
D. Secret fraternal organizations, which included many patriot leaders
E. Secret “cells” of the Committees of Correspondence

A. Along with Quakers, Shakers, Moravians, Mennonites, and Amish, these people did not wish to join either side. Pacifistic sects accounted for about 80,000 people — one in every thirty free Americans. See People’s History, chapter 4.



21. In terms of expense, manpower, and planning, the largest American offensive in 1779 was
A. George Roger Clark’s conquest of the West
B. General Sullivan’s campaign against Iroquois farms and villages
C. General Greene’s march through the South
D. Washington’s crossing of the Delaware
E. The Conquest of Quebec

B. Sullivan’s genocidal campaign is not discussed in current textbooks, while the much smaller Clark expedition is highly touted by all. See Founding Myths, chapter 13, and People’s History, chapter 5.



22. Which of the following sided with white patriots in the Revolutionary War?
A. Senecas
B. Mohawks
C. Mingos
D. Catawbas
E. Chickasaws

D. The American Revolution was the largest Indian war in the history of the United States. Most Indian nations sided with the British, but some, like the Catawbas, were already surrounded by white Americans and sided with the patriots. See Founding Myths, chapter 13 and People’s History, chapter 5.



23. American patriots told the Delaware Indians that if they fought against the British, they could expect to
A. Receive gold coins for each member of the tribe
B. Have a state named after them
C. Join the union as a fourteenth state
D. Keep their land for the next ten years
E. Keep their land forever

C. At Fort Pitt in 1778, to woo the Delaware to their side, American delegates suggested that Indians might be allowed “to form a state whereof the Delaware nation shall be the head, and have a representation in Congress.” See People’s History, chapter 5.



24. During the American Revolution, twenty of George Washington’s slaves left Mount Vernon
A. To fight in the Continental Army
B. To fight in the Virginia Militia
C. To seek freedom with the British
D. To seek freedom with the French
E. Because they were freed by Martha Washington

C. Actual names are listed in Washington’s papers: “Gunner, a man about 45 years old; valuable, a Brick maker.” “Tom, a man about 20 years old, stout and Healthy.” “Esther, a woman about 18 years old.” Etc. See Founding Myths, chapter 10, and People’s History, chapter 6.



25. Which nation was not at war with Britain during the American Revolution?
A. United States
B. France
C. Spain
D. Holland
E. Russia


E. All the rest were allied against Britain, and even Russia was about to join the allies. This helps explain Britain’s reluctance to pursue the war on the North American continent. See Founding Myths, chapter 12.



26. At which location was Britain not at war with a foreign power when the Americans won the Battle of Yorktown?
A. West Indies
B. Iraq
C. Gibraltar
D. Cape of Good Hope
E. India

B. British involvement in the future Iraq would come later. Toward the end of the American War for Independence, however, Britain was engaged in warfare on all these other fronts. This too helps explain Britain’s reluctance to pursue the war on the North American continent. See Founding Myths, chapter 12.



27. After Cornwallis’s surrender of 7,000 soldiers at Yorktown, how many of the King’s troops remained stationed in British-controlled American posts, ready for battle?
A. None — the war was over
B. 3,000
C. 7,000
D. 12,000
E. 47,000

E. This was a far greater force than that lost at Yorktown. Only by taking into account the global context (see previous two questions) can we understand why these troops were not deployed in further offensives against the Americans. See Founding Myths, chapter 12.



28. After Yorktown, who insisted that the war was not yet over?
A. Lord North and Lord Rockingham
B. Benedict Arnold and Major Andre
C. Tom Paine and Thomas Jefferson
D. George Washington and King George III
E. Patrick Henry and Samuel Adams

D. After Yorktown, King George said: “I have no doubt when men are a little recovered of the shock felt by the bad news, they will find the necessity of carrying on the war.” Washington urged Congress to continue its “preparation for military operations” — a failure to continue fighting, he warned, would “expose us to the most disgracefull Disasters.” At the time, with the Continental Army still outnumbered by 47,000 enemy troops stationed nearby, Americans could not conclude that the war was automatically over. See Founding Myths, chapter 12.
 

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Btw, shouldn't USA be able to form/revolt only from England?

Otherwise, all "monarchs", culture, religion, CoA/flag, uniform for armies and events are non-sense.

We may face the same problem with other revolters and corresponding colonial power in Central/South America.

But that doesn't mean ahistorical colonizers shouldn't have problems at all in the area, for example according to DP sliders. We had such discussion in French forum. I'm aware it could be difficult to model but we can try.
 
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Btw, shouldn't USA be able to form/revolt only from England?

Otherwise, all "monarchs", culture, religion, CoA/flag, uniform for armies and events are non-sense.

We may face the same problem with other revolters and corresponding colonial power in Central/South America.

But that doesn't mean ahistorical colonizers shouldn't have problems at all in the area, for example according to DP sliders. We had such discussion in French forum. I'm aware it could be difficult to model but we can try.
Eventually i think there should be ways to deal with any type of unhistoric colonizer, including a Chinese colonizer, but we should get what we have to work for the main intended party. Once we have that we can start to branch out.
 

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I've been inclined to agree with YodaMaster as far as getting the history and plausible ahistory for NA sequenced for ENG first. Only then can we 'branch out' for fantasy type situations where a 'democratic' 'rebel' state emerges from other european colonizers or non-european colonizers.
 
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Fox & Hindua Province

Fox [73] - terrain -> forest
Hindua [72] - terrain -> forest
Milwaukee[74] - terrain -> forest
Illinois [59] - terrain -> forest

Paradox original for Fox is forest. Some time ago I submitted a change, which was incorporated, to change the terrain to plains. I don't know what I was thinking--it was completely wrong. Surveys done circa 1820 for what is now Illinois state indicate it was 80% forested. So, I would like to propose reverting it back to forest.

Paradox original for Hindua is plains. Surveys done circa 1800 for what is now Indiana state indicate it was mostly forested. I would like to propose changing it to forest.

Depending on how one defines the geography both Milwaukee [74] and Illinois [59] provinces could be considered to be in the state of Illinois, thus also making it forested. But, this would make Illinois state occuping multiple provinces, which would be far too large.

Illinois state marks the boundary between the great plains and the continental forest.

EDIT: Added Milwaukee and Illinois to the list based on stumvogel's comments, which I concur with.
 
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The Mississippi seems to be the real divider between the pre-Columbian forests and the Great Plains. The state of Wisconsin is heavily forested even now, so most everything north and east of the Mississippi should be forest.
 

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American Revolts vs Dutch Revolts

These three events (I think they are all here!) concern the American Revolution:

Code:
#Tax Revolt in America#

# 20 Nov 2001, State Machine - Added condition that USA should not exist,
# and a trigger for the prerequisite event of the next revolt event in the
# USA revolt progression if the action chosen moves the revolt forward.

event = {
	id = 3047
	trigger = {
		NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 10 } }
		NOT = { exists = USA }
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME3047" #Tax Revolt in America
	desc = "EVENTHIST3047"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1765 }
	offset = 350
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1766 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3047A" #Stamp tax and Tolls
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = 3 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = 3 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = 3 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = 3 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = 3 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = 3 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = 3 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = 3 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = 3 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = 3 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = 3 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = 3 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = 3 } #Massachussetts
		command = { type = trigger which = 4980 } #ENG: Effect of regressive tax policies in North America
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3047B" #Stamp tax, Defense tax and Tolls
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = 7 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = 7 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = 7 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = 7 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = 7 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = 7 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = 7 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = 7 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = 7 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = 7 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = 7 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = 7 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = 7 } #Massachussetts
		command = { type = vp value = 50 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 500 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 4980 } #ENG: Effect of regressive tax policies in North America
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3047C" #More Taxes in England
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 231 value = 5 } #Connaught
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 232 value = 5 } #Ulster
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 233 value = 5 } #Meath
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 234 value = 5 } #Leinster
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 235 value = 5 } #Munster
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 236 value = 5 } #The Highlands
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 237 value = 5 } #The Grampians
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 238 value = 5 } #Lothian
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 239 value = 5 } #Strathclyde
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 5 } #Northumberland
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 5 } #Yorkshire
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 5 } #Lancashire
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 5 } #Wales
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 5 } #Midlands
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 5 } #Lincoln
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 5 } #Bristol
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 5 } #Anglia
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 5 } #Kent
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 5 } #Wessex
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 5 } #Cornwall
		command = { type = vp value = -100 }
	}
}
Code:
#The American Colonial Policy#
# 20 Nov 2001, State Machine - Added condition that USA should not exist,
# and that ENG chose regressive policies in event 3047, and a trigger for
# the prerequisite event of the next revolt event in the USA revolt progression
# if the action chosen moves the revolt forward.
event = {
	id = 3048
	trigger = {
		NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 10 } }
		NOT = { exists = USA }
		event = 4980
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME3048" #The American Colonial Policy
	desc = "EVENTHIST3048"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1770 }
	offset = 360
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1771 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3048A" #Abolish all Tolls, but the Tea Toll
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = 3 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = 3 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = 3 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = 3 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = 3 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = 3 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = 3 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = 3 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = 3 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = 3 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = 3 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = 3 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = 3 } #Massachussetts
		command = { type = treasury value = -500 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 4981 } #ENG_Effect of regressive tax policies in North America
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3048B" #Keep all Tolls
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = 8 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = 8 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = 8 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = 8 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = 8 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = 8 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = 8 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = 8 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = 8 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = 8 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = 8 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = 8 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = 8 } #Massachussetts
		command = { type = vp value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 4981 } #ENG: Effect of regressive tax policies in North America
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3048C" #Abolish all Tolls
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = -7 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = -7 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = -7 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = -7 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = -7 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = -7 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = -7 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = -7 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = -7 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = -7 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = -7 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = -7 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = -7 } #Massachussetts
		command = { type = vp value = -100 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -800 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
	}
}

Code:
#The American Revolution#
# 20 Nov 2001, State Machine - Added condition that USA should not exist,
# and that ENG chose regressive policies in event 3048.
event = {
	id = 3049
	trigger = {
		NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 10 } }
		NOT = { exists = USA }
		event = 4981
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME3049" #The American Revolution
	desc = "EVENTHIST3049"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1773 }
	offset = 360
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1774 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3049A" #Revoke the Constitutional Freedom of the Colonies
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = 8 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = 8 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = 8 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = 8 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = 8 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = 8 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = 8 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = 8 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = 8 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = 8 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = 8 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = 8 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = 8 } #Massachussetts
		command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = -1 } #removed ARIST +1#
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -100 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3049B" #Install British Administration and Judges
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = 16 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = 16 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = 16 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = 16 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = 16 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = 16 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = 16 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = 16 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = 16 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = 16 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = 16 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = 16 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = 16 } #Massachussetts
		command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = -3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 1 } #1 from 2#
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -150 }
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3049C" #Start Negotiations for Self-Determination
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = -15 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = -15 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = -15 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = -15 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = -15 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = -15 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = -15 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = -15 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = -15 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = -15 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = -15 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = -15 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = -15 } #Massachussetts
		command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = -1 } #-1 from -2#
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
	}
}
Testing the 1648 scenario in version 1.42beta2 I saw England easily taming the "colonial" rebellions and that meant no USA and no radical or moderate French Revolution...

I don't know much about the history of American Revolution, but couldn't we maybe use the same criterion of the events about the Dutch revolts, in which provinces easily reach 30/40 % of RR?
Here the North American Provinces owned by England could usually reach about maximum 14% of RR and not in each province (if choice A is always taken).

Only the sum of the three choices B can reach 31 % of RR.

Could we maybe increase these RR in choice A (the most taken by the AI) ?

What about those provinces owned by Sweden and Netherlands, shouldn't they be ceded once USA is born?
They could be like in FRA_3087 (Offer Louisiana to the United States)... !? :confused:

As for lowering the RR% down, there are already in the agceep mod several ENG and USA events to lower all province RR by -35%...

Which is the maximum RR decrease a command can implement?
 
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Which is the maximum RR decrease a command can implement?
I didn't try 1000 but China deals with 200, 400 and 800 RR levels :D .

With 800 RR, a province revolts at 100% each month if revolt subjugated in the previous month.
 
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American revolution vs Dutch revolts...

A suggestion at once would be to raise all the province RR x 2 (both increasing and decreasing RR) in the ENG events concerning the American Revolution...

I would like to have some feedback before going to test these modifications... :)
 
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Just two thoughts. The main problem to American revolution is still the difficulties of England to colonize, so even if some colonies are there, half of them might be TPs. The second thought is that all territories in the 13 colonies area should defect to the USA as in the Dutch revolts.
 

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Fodoron said:
Just two thoughts. The main problem to American revolution is still the difficulties of England to colonize, so even if some colonies are there, half of them might be TPs.
Yes, indeed! Is anyone going to work at the ENG AI files?
The second thought is that all territories in the 13 colonies area should defect to the USA as in the Dutch revolts.
I can't remember, can colonies (or TPs) be seceded or provinces only?
 

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Yes, indeed! Is anyone going to work at the ENG AI files?
We will eventually get there, but the AI is only a small part of the problem. England often gets maimed by two problems: It is a weak country in EU2, so it is not very hard to defeat her, and she has terrible religious problems than often get half of the country defecting, and then has to expend all her energies trying to pull herself back together. Having all the provinces changing religion by event would do England a lot of good.
Bordic said:
I can't remember, can colonies (or TPs) be seceded or provinces only?
I don't see why not. I don't remember any unusual behavior from TPs and colonies in this respect. For sure they defect just fine.
 

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Bordic said:
I don't know much about the history of American Revolution, but couldn't we maybe use the same criterion of the events about the Dutch revolts, in which provinces easily reach 30/40 % of RR?
worth a shot.


What about those provinces owned by Sweden and Netherlands, shouldn't they be ceded once USA is born?
They could be like in FRA_3087 (Offer Louisiana to the United States)... !? :confused:
I have no idea what you mean by this. Are you suggesting new events regarding Dutch and Swedish colonies that parallel the Louisiana purchase?
 

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Fodoron said:
Just two thoughts. The main problem to American revolution is still the difficulties of England to colonize.
There are two key sources: DP settings, and the AI file. IMO, ENG's DP settings can afford to be a little odd during the period where she should be colonizing like its her job, in order to provide her the necessary quantity of settlers. Alhough I suppose it begs the question why Britain should be funding the colonization of the Americas. I don't think willing settlers over the Atlantic is an truly accurate means of representing the streams of indentured servants.

One potential solution would be to implement tags for the colonies, then the colonies themselves could grow and spill over the Appalachians against the explicit supreme will and authority of the King of Great Britain and Parliament as expressed in the Proclamation of 1763 and the Quebec Act of 1774, respectively and the American response. We could grant the colonies cores on provinces that fall within the domains outlined in their Charters, and alter the core distribution appropriately according to alterations in the colonies various Charters.

People could actually play as one of the colonies. In the event that the American Revolution is diffused, Pensylvania and Virginia could go to war over the disputed Ohio territories. The colonies could make and break treaties with the native nations.
 

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The American revolt surely needs some attention. As with many other things, even if we fix it now it will have to be re-done with the new map. A similar way as the Dutch revolts is probably needed, to get a high success rate. I'm not sure all colonies should have their own tags, as we will have a shortage soon and they are easliy involved in wars with others, and may end up annexed (a bit like Ireland, that I don't think work very well). But I'm open to test anything.
First of all the colonisation needs attention and fixing, and from Fodorons calculations on how expensive colonisation is, and the historical circumstances, some help might be needed.

I suggest a new thread for "American revolts" is started.
 

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Three events for the Spanish presence in North America:

Code:
# Pueblo revolt
# by Fodoron
event = {
	id = 285189
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 18 data = -1 } # Arizona
			owned = { province = 19 data = -1 } # Pinalero
		}
		OR = {
			provincereligion = { province = 18 data = catholic } # Arizona
			provincereligion = { province = 19 data = catholic } # Pinalero
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = SPA
	name = "EVENTNAME285189" # Pueblo revolt
	desc = "EVENTHIST285189"
	date = { year = 1680 }
	offset = 200
	deathdate = { year = 1688 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME285189A" # Argh
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 1478 value = pagan } # Moab
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 16 value = pagan } # Canyon
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 18 value = pagan } # Arizona
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 19 value = pagan } # Pinalero
		command = { type = religiousrevolt which = 1478 } # Moab
		command = { type = religiousrevolt which = 16 } # Canyon
		command = { type = religiousrevolt which = 18 } # Arizona
		command = { type = religiousrevolt which = 19 } # Pinalero
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 1478 value = 5 } # Moab
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 16 value = 5 } # Canyon
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 18 value = 5 } # Arizona
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 19 value = 5 } # Pinalero
		command = { type = population which = 1478 value = -200 } # Moab
		command = { type = population which = 16 value = -200 } # Canyon
		command = { type = population which = 18 value = -200 } # Arizona
		command = { type = population which = 19 value = -200 } # Pinalero
	}
}
EVENTNAME285189;Pueblo revolt;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST285189;The Pueblo people of New Mexico had accepted Spanish domination because of the protection they awarded against nomadic Navajo and Apache raids. However there was religious friction due to Franciscan pressure to the Pueblo to abandon their Pagan beliefs. In 1670, a great drought brought famine and Apache attacks on such a scale that the Spanish soldiers could not cope. Unsatisfied with the Spanish inability to feed and protect them, the Pueblo Indians turned to their old gods, provoking a repressive wave from the Franciscans. In 1675, 47 medicine-men were arrested on charges of witchcraft, and three of them were hanged. The Pueblo uproar for the events coincided with most of the soldiers being away fighting the Apache, so the rest of the medicine-men had to be released, between them one named Popé. Later, when fugitive from murder accusations, Popé took refuge in Taos and prepared a revolt. On August 10, 1680 Popé directed the uprising of the Pueblo, killing 18 Franciscan priests, and over 380 Spaniards between men, women and children. The survivors took refuge in Santa Fe, and when besieged, escaped to El Paso. Until his death in 1688, Popé ruled the Pueblo with an iron fist, trying to erase any sign of Europeans. Under penalty of death, the Pueblo Indians had to destroy all signs of Catholic religion and Spanish culture, including the killing of Spanish imported livestock and burning of fruit trees, and they were forbidden from growing barley or wheat.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME285189A;Argh;;;;;;;;;;


Code:
# Bloodless reconquest of New Mexico
# by Fodoron
event = {
	id = 285190
	trigger = {
		event = 285189 # SPA Pueblo revolt
	}
	random = no
	country = SPA
	name = "EVENTNAME285190" # Bloodless reconquest of New Mexico
	desc = "EVENTHIST285190"
	date = { year = 1692 }
	offset = 100

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME285190A" # Well done
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 1478 value = catholic } # Moab
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 16 value = catholic } # Canyon
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 18 value = catholic } # Arizona
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 19 value = catholic } # Pinalero
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 1478 value = -5 } # Moab
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 16 value = -5 } # Canyon
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 18 value = -5 } # Arizona
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 19 value = -5 } # Pinalero
	}
}
EVENTNAME285190;Bloodless reconquest of New Mexico;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST285190;After the death of Pueblo leader Popé, the different Pueblos quarreled over who should rule them. This power struggle plus a prolonged drought and increased Apache attacks weakened the Pueblo and prepared the stage for the Spanish return. In July 1692, Diego de Vargas Zapata, recently appointed Governor of New Mexico, arrived with less than 50 soldiers. Through skillful diplomacy, he was able to entice the far more numerous and fortified Pueblo Indians in Santa Fe to surrender without firing a shot. The Spanish conceded a measure of freedom of religion and culture to the Pueblo Indians, granting large portions of land to the different Pueblos and appointing public defenders to protect the Indian rights at Spanish courts. A second uprising in 1696 that resulted in the death of 5 missionaries and 21 Spaniards had to be put down with more violence, but New Mexico was essentially reconquered by the end of the century.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME285190A;Well done;;;;;;;;;;


Code:
# Cuerno Verde
# by Fodoron
event = {
	id = 285191
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 1479 data = -1 } # Colorado
			owned = { province = 1480 data = -1 } # Llano Estacado
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = SPA
	name = "EVENTNAME285191" # Cuerno Verde
	desc = "EVENTHIST285191"
	date = { year = 1779 }
	offset = 200

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME285191A" # Pacify the Comanche
		command = { type = revolt which = 1479 } # Colorado
		command = { type = revolt which = 1480 } # Llano Estacado
	}
}
EVENTNAME285191;Cuerno Verde;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST285191;Starting in 1719, a new Indian nation appeared in the plains bordering New Mexico. They were a branch of the Shoshone, and were the first native nation to use extensively the horse that made the buffalo culture possible. Besides hunting and trading, they also depredated all the rest of the Indian tribes and Spaniards, driving the Apache southward and the Ute westward. They mounted regular large scale raids that stole just about every horse and mule in New Mexico and Northern Mexico, and put a good dent in the available supply in Texas. They also captured women and children as slaves. When the Spaniards inquired about their name to the Ute, the answer was Kohmahts (those who are against us), interpreted by the Spaniards as Comanche. In the 1770s the Jupe Comanche were leaded by a charismatic chieftain, Cuerno Verde (Greenhorn), and his attacks put the Spanish frontier at the brink of collapse. Juan Bautista de Anza, had been made Governor of New Mexico after his famous land expedition to Monterey (California), and he understood that peace with the Comanche could not be achieved unless Cuerno Verde was defeated. He led an expedition in 1779 with 600 soldiers, militia and Pueblo Indians. He was later joined by 200 Ute and Apache against the common enemy. After a surprise attack from the North, the Spaniards killed Cuerno Verde and 50 comanche warriors. With his death the Comanche were ready to sign a peace with Spain, but were still at war with the Ute. Anza mediated between the Ute and the Comanche and finally achieved a permanent peace treaty between the Comanche and Spain and the Ute in 1786. This peace treaty would last until the end of the Spanish presence in North America.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME285191A;Pacify the Comanche;;;;;;;;;;
 
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