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YodaMaster said:
I had a problem with Genoa and Corsica before 1437. See here.
Post #1248 and 1255. ;)

And about Aragon annexing Genoa, well I hope it is a fluke...otherwise we need to revise the time span of Corsican independence. About Genoa being annexed in 1431, should we remove the alliance command in the MLO event of 1421? Please notice that the engine will automatically lead GEN to join the alliance with MLO.
 

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I will have to check if posts #1248 and 1255 are not already included in my test...

@Third Angel: It matters to me. :)

I can undertand revolts will happen if Genoa is not present but why not a twin event in this case with only revolts?

Result could be fall of government but all current texts (name, description and action) are obviously intended for presence of Genoa.
 

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Reworked event:
Code:
#(1437) Annex[COLOR=Yellow]at[/COLOR]ion of Corsica
event = {
	id = 150008
	trigger = {
		[COLOR=Yellow]event = 150010 #COR: More revolts under Simone da Mare
		exists = GEN[/COLOR]
		monarch = 035502 #Simone da Mare
	}
	random = no
	country = COR

	name = "EVENTNAME150008" #We do need the Genoese back here
	desc = "EVENTHIST150008"
	#-#

	date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1437 }
	offset = [COLOR=Yellow]10 #was 360[/COLOR]
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1437 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME150008A" #We have no choice (End Game)
		[COLOR=Red]command = { type = revolt which = 398 } #Corsica
		command = { type = revolt which = 398 } #Corsica[/COLOR]
		command = { type = trigger which = 174035 } #GEN: The three Counts of Corsica
	}
}
#-#Unable to deal with the various revolters, Simone da Mare had to call for help from his liege.

New event:
Code:
#(1437) More revolts under Simone da Mare
event = {
	id = 150010
	trigger = {
		monarch = 035502 #Simone da Mare
	}
	random = no
	country = COR

	name = "EVENTNAME150010" #More revolts under Simone da Mare
	desc = "EVENTHIST150010"
	#-#Simone da Mare had to deal with various revolters.

	date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1437 }
	offset = 270
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = november year = 1437 }

	action_a = {
		name = "DAMN"
		command = { type = revolt which = 398 } #Corsica
		command = { type = revolt which = 398 } #Corsica
	}
}
EVENTNAME150010;More revolts under Simone da Mare;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST150010;Simone da Mare had to deal with various revolters.;;;;;;;;;;

Description of new event could be enhanced.

EDIT: corrected some potential problems with deathdate for COR_150008.
 
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Bordic said:
Post #1248 and 1255. ;)

And about Aragon annexing Genoa, well I hope it is a fluke...otherwise we need to revise the time span of Corsican independence. About Genoa being annexed in 1431, should we remove the alliance command in the MLO event of 1421? Please notice that the engine will automatically lead GEN to join the alliance with MLO.
Post #1248 was included in my test. :p
Genoa was thus released as monoprovince country... and easy prey...

Only explanation is random events for relations and/or intensive improvment by Milan before 1431. Or am I missing something? Don't forget GEN starts with relations -50 for Milan.
Alliance command raises relations (+25, iirc?), why not a corresponding decrease just after the command to compensate?
EDIT: vassalization by event gives +50 and relations between the two countries are increasing very fast: +1 every two months in first years. With a RM and first event (Visconti's Lordship) in 1421, relations are already at 5.
Without any intervention but the RM, relations are at +70 in 1531. A single royal gift and increase is +40 or even +60... Milan has plenty of time for diplo-annexation of Genoa before Visconti about-face event in 1435.

Why not secede Kerch back to her too in this case? Force-annexation will become very unlikely before 1437 then. And Ottomans will have a chance to get the province without other unwanted Catholic presence in this place.
 
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Yodamaster, keep in mind that a player should never see these events because every option allowing to choose Simone da Mare in the previous events says: (End Game in 1437). So, the texts don't really matter.

This is why the current situation was acceptable to me. The only "bug" I could see was that the history log would display: "Corsica had We do need the Genoese back here", when there wouldn't be any (independent) Genoese around. So of course they wouldn't have come to help Simone da Mare, but it would still have been true that he needed them. :p

I agree with having a second event triggered by MLO_228020 to surrender Kerch.
 

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YodaMaster said:
Post #1248 was included in my test. :p
Genoa was thus released as monoprovince country... and easy prey.....
I was referring to the second part of the post only.
Only explanation is random events for relations and/or intensive improvment by Milan before 1431. Or am I missing something? Don't forget GEN starts with relations -50 for Milan.
Alliance command raises relations (+25, iirc?), why not a corresponding decrease just after the command to compensate?
EDIT: vassalization by event gives +50 and relations between the two countries are increasing very fast: +1 every two months in first years. With a RM and first event (Visconti's Lordship) in 1421, relations are already at 5.
Without any intervention but the RM, relations are at +70 in 1531. A single royal gift and increase is +40 or even +60... Milan has plenty of time for diplo-annexation of Genoa before Visconti about-face event in 1435.
Any event in particular the 1421 vassallization or the 1423-1431 Visconti wars to have the relations with Genoa lowered?

Why not secede Kerch back to her too in this case? Force-annexation will become very unlikely before 1437 then. And Ottomans will have a chance to get the province without other unwanted Catholic presence in this place.[/

OK, MLO_228020 is in the version currently in beta6 so I have added the yellow lines since 1.52:

Code:
#(1435-1436) The Visconti's about-face
#by Bordic
event = {
	id = 228020
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			event = 262005  #PRO: The Angevin Inheritance of Naples
			event = 3555   	#ARG: The Aragonese Inheritance of Naples
		}
		[COLOR=Yellow]OR = {[/COLOR]
			vassal = { country = MLO country = GEN }
			[COLOR=Yellow]AND = {
				NOT = { exists = GEN }
				owned = { province = 403 data = -1 } #Liguria
			}
		}[/COLOR]
	}
	random = no
	country = MLO
	name = "EVENTNAME228020" #The Visconti's about-face
	desc = "EVENTHIST228020"
	#-#

	date = { day = 27 month = November year = 1435 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 27 month = January year = 1436 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME228020A" #Support Alfonso
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = independence which = GEN }[/COLOR]
		command = { type = relation which = PRO value = -25 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -25 }
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = trigger which = 228057 } #MLO: The independence of Genoa[/COLOR]
		command = { type = trigger which = 174027 } #GEN: The betrayal of Visconti
		command = { type = trigger which = 111013 } #ARG: Visconti supports the Aragonese cause
	}
}


And the new event to release Kerch and eventually Corsica:
Code:
#(1435-1436) The independence of Genoa
#by Bordic
event = {
	id = 228057 #triggered by MLO_228020
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 465 data = -1 } #Kerch
			owned = { province = 398 data = -1 } #Corsica
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = MLO
	name = "EVENTNAME228057" #The independence of Genoa
	desc = "EVENTHIST228057"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "DAMN"
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = GEN value = 398 } #Corsica
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = GEN value = 465 } #Kerch
	}
}
EVENTNAME228057;The independence of Genoa;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST228057;Breaking her allegiance to Visconti, Genoa regained full administrative control over her colonial possessions.;;;;;;;;;;

EDIT: changed event 228057. No need to split or modify the text of eventhist228020.
 
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YodaMaster said:
@Bordic and Third Angel: could you please post final version for Pazzi conspiracy, starting here? I'm lost in discussion and modifications...
The modifications to the Pazzi COnspiracy is essentially in the post you mentioned, adding a core on Romagna in action A. The suggestions to the Cambrai sequence are from post 361 in Italian Wars thread. There are still problems with the method used for the relations between countries according to which action is taken, though...
In post 362 of Italian wars thread there is a suggestion by Toio concerning an alternative Papal coore on Romagna in case PAM (Modena_Ferrara) doesn't exist after 1473.
 

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Bordic said:
The modifications to the Pazzi COnspiracy is essentially in the post you mentioned, adding a core on Romagna in action A. The suggestions to the Cambrai sequence are from post 361 in Italian Wars thread. There are still problems with the method used for the relations between countries according to which action is taken, though...
In post 362 of Italian wars thread there is a suggestion by Toio concerning an alternative Papal coore on Romagna in case PAM (Modena_Ferrara) doesn't exist after 1473.

submitted the core on romagna for PAP

i am working on relation points for cambria events, i think a +50 to -50 range between nations will be sufficient, thoughts
 

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Toio said:
i am working on relation points for cambria events, i think a +50 to -50 range between nations will be sufficient, thoughts
Apart from the -150 to Venice, I suppose?

About your modifications I did something similar using a narrower range for the 1495 Anti-Fench league of Venice, if you are interested.

Would you please also suggest some new relation points for the Holy league against France too? There should be events for PAP(MUS)-VEN-PAM-HAB-SPA-ARG-ENG-HEL. Can't remember now for other events concerning this sequence.

And please post your suggestions in the IW thread. ;)
 
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Toio said:
submitted the core on romagna for PAP
One more question about this event. Why until 1800? Shouldn't it be just until 1550 (there is a core loss in a Jubilee event of 1550) or at highest until 1598, when Ferrara was reverted to Papal States?
Essentially there could be another event to get the Papal core on Romagna in case this event here didn't fire:
Code:
#(1597) The loss of Ferrara
event = {
	id = 17435
	trigger = {
		exists = PAP
		owned = { province = 391 data = -1 } #Romagna
	}
	random = no
	country = PAM
	name = "EVENTNAME17435" #The loss of Ferrara
	desc = "EVENTHIST17435"
	#-#
	date = { day = 27 month = october year = 1597 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME17435A" #Oh Well...
		command = { type = infra value = 500 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = 391 value = -1 } #Romagna
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = 391 value = -1 } #Romagna
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
	}

}
#-#In 1598 the legitimate line of the Este family died out. Duke Alfonso II willed his realm to his illegitimate son Cesare. While Emperor Rudolf II, as liege of Modena, was willing to accept Cesare's succession to that Duchy, Pope Clement VIII refused to accept his claims to the duchy of Ferrara, which was held in fief from the papacy. Ferrara was incorporated into the Papal states, and the court of the Este moved from Ferrara to Modena. While this court was no longer at the apex of culture, as it had been during the Rennaisance, Modena benefited from the cultivation of arts and letters that did take place.


Papal event could have a similar text to the one for this event here.
 

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@Yoda Should we extend the province cession in MLO_228057 to the neighbouring provinces of Kerch too. I cannot now test if Genoa has the possibility to get further provinces in the Crimean peninsula.
 

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Bordic said:
One more question about this event. Why until 1800? Shouldn't it be just until 1550 (there is a core loss in a Jubilee event of 1550) or at highest until 1598, when Ferrara was reverted to Papal States?
Essentially there could be another event to get the Papal core on Romagna in case this event here didn't fire:
Code:
#(1597) The loss of Ferrara
event = {
	id = 17435
	trigger = {
		exists = PAP
		owned = { province = 391 data = -1 } #Romagna
	}
	random = no
	country = PAM
	name = "EVENTNAME17435" #The loss of Ferrara
	desc = "EVENTHIST17435"
	#-#
	date = { day = 27 month = october year = 1597 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME17435A" #Oh Well...
		command = { type = infra value = 500 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = 391 value = -1 } #Romagna
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = 391 value = -1 } #Romagna
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
	}

}
#-#In 1598 the legitimate line of the Este family died out. Duke Alfonso II willed his realm to his illegitimate son Cesare. While Emperor Rudolf II, as liege of Modena, was willing to accept Cesare's succession to that Duchy, Pope Clement VIII refused to accept his claims to the duchy of Ferrara, which was held in fief from the papacy. Ferrara was incorporated into the Papal states, and the court of the Este moved from Ferrara to Modena. While this court was no longer at the apex of culture, as it had been during the Rennaisance, Modena benefited from the cultivation of arts and letters that did take place.


Papal event could have a similar text to the one for this event here.

my readings on PAP lands continues to the 1800's , but we can lower mine to waht u suggested and add another later for the 18th century
 

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Bordic said:
Apart from the -150 to Venice, I suppose?

About your modifications I did something similar using a narrower range for the 1495 Anti-Fench league of Venice, if you are interested.

Would you please also suggest some new relation points for the Holy league against France too? There should be events for PAP(MUS)-VEN-PAM-HAB-SPA-ARG-ENG-HEL. Can't remember now for other events concerning this sequence.

And please post your suggestions in the IW thread. ;)

i was looking at -200 to venice, then swing +100 when VEN joins holy league , then -50 when they rejoin FRA and at the same time gain +100 with FRA. something on this theme for all participants

MAN goes out of all IW wars after , IIRC their monarch (Gonzaga) was captured by Venice in august 1509 or 1510,

does SPA exist in or cambrian wars or do you have ARG?

OK on holy league,
 

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Toio said:
MAN goes out of all IW wars after , IIRC their monarch (Gonzaga) was captured by Venice in august 1509 or 1510,

does SPA exist in or cambrian wars or do you have ARG?

OK on holy league,
As for Mantua they aren't in the Holy league of 1510 iirc.

Spain participates in both leagues in case Aragon doesn't exist any longer.

Please mind that TOS and GEN have events to join the league of Cambrai. They were already in the older agceep versions.
 

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I didn't see a little bug in MLO_228055, in the commands the revolt in Liguria should happen before giving independence to Genoa. ;)
And shouldn't we also add the province cession of Kerch to Genoa in MLO_228056? It wasn't yet reported but considering that GEN_174022 will fire starting from 1475 I think we should add it too as it is now for MLO_228057. Current trigger of MLO_228056 could be removed, I think.

Also posted in compiling 1.53 thread.

EDIT: mistake in MLO event #... ;)
 
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YodaMaster said:
Be more explicit... changes? :)
These changes...

Code:
#(1477-1483) The rebellion of Genoa
#by Bordic
event = {
	id = 228055
	trigger = {
		event = 228023 #MLO: Genoa submits to Milan
		OR = {
			vassal = { country = MLO country = GEN }
			AND = {
				NOT = { exists = GEN }
				owned = { province = 403 data = -1 } #Liguria
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = MLO
	name = "EVENTNAME228055" #The rebellion of Genoa
	desc = "EVENTHIST228055"
	#-#

	date = { day = 0 month = February year = 1477 }
	offset = 50
	deathdate = { day = 25 month = November year = 1483 }

	action_a = {
		name = "OH_NO"
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = revolt which = 403 } #Liguria[/COLOR]
		command = { type = independence which = GEN }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		[COLOR=Red]command = { type = revolt which = 403 } #Liguria[/COLOR]
		command = { type = ADM which = -2 value = 24 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 174068 } #GEN: The return of Campofregoso family
	}
}

#-#Since Galeazzo Maria openly ruled his duchy as a tyrant he made many enemies amongst the Milanese noble families. On 26th december 1476 he was assassinated in Saint Stephen's church during religious mass. hand Cicco Simonetta, Sforza's secretary of State, managed to have Galeazzo's son, Gian Galeazzo, being proclaimed Duke while his mother Bona of Savoy being acknowledged as regent until Duke's minority. That provoked resentment in the brothers of the assassinated duke, also aming at the regency title, but negotiations were successfully conducted by Simonetta. If in Milan calm was restored an uprise broke in Genoa against the Milanese Governor Pallavicini led by members of the Fieschi and Campofregoso families united togetheragainst the Sforza rule. Cicco Simonetta gained the favour of Prospero Adorno, once opposer to Galeazzo's rule thus releasing him from prison, with the promise to crush the revolt and reeastablish the Milanese rule over Genoa. Adorno occupied Genoa and became Governor for Milan. But Adorno started to have contacts with foreing rulers seemingly as to get independence from the duke of Milan and that represented a clear sign of rebellion. Battista Fregoso, member of the Campofregoso family, which gave several doges to the city, was asked to intervene in crushing the rebellion in order to restore the Sforza lordship over the Republic. Battista Fregoso managed to chase Adorno away and to proclaim himself Doge of the Republic.

Code:
#(1477-1483) Genoa gained full independence
event = {
	id = 228056 #triggered by GEN_174068
	trigger = {
		[COLOR=Red]owned = { province = 398 data = -1 } #Corsica
		NOT = { event = 228041 } #MLO: Tomassino da Campofregoso[/COLOR]
		[COLOR=Yellow]OR = {
			owned = { province = 465 data = -1 } #Kerch
			owned = { province = 398 data = -1 } #Corsica
		}[/COLOR]
	}
	random = no
	country = MLO
	name = "EVENTNAME228056" #Genoa gained full independence
	desc = "EVENTHIST228056"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ALAS"
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = GEN value = 398 } #Corsica
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = GEN value = 465 } #Kerch[/COLOR]
	}
}
#-#Milan didn't solve the problems with the administratio of Genoa as the new doge didn't seem to acknowledge Sforza's lordship over Genoa, instead he followed a policy of partnership with Milan without acknowledging the Duke as suzerain.