AGC & EEP: Italy

[Semi-Lobster]

I admit, I'm not very well versed in Italian history but does anybody know anything about Vincentello d'Istria the count of Corsica nominally under the crown of Aragon? All the sites on him seem to be in French.

 

[Bordic]

To Bordic: About Caravaggio events, there is a little typo in EVENTHIST251051. Please replace "unconsciuous" with "unconscious" in last sentence.

Thanks, please feel always free to tell me about typos...

 

[Bordic]

Just looking for some feedback to improve it before submitting to the High Council.

Thx. Aylo1

Please notice that current id range for PAM (Modena-Estensi) is 252000-252999.
390000- is now for PAR (Parma).
So, the last event (Mary of Modena & the Catholic Wedding)should be PAM as country tag and not PAR...

 

[Bordic]

I would like to talk about that event here concerning the Holy inquisition in Papal States:

#Reorganisation of the Holy Inquisition# #should trigger events in other italian kingdoms#
event = {
	id = 3548
	random = no
	country = PAP
	name = "EVENTNAME3548" #Reorganization of the Holy Inquisition
	desc = "EVENTHIST3548"
	#-#At the initiative of Pietro Caraffa from Naples, the Pope reorganizes the Roman inquisition according to the Spanish model. Together with the Jesuits a reign of terror is inflicted on the people. However the cruel methods are effective and lead to completely eradicating the protestant movement in the Italian peninsula.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1542 }
	offset = 200
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = may year = 1546 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3548A" #Spanish model inquisition
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = [COLOR=Yellow]-3[/COLOR] } #from -4
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = domestic which = SERFDOM value = 2 }[/COLOR]
		command = { type = population which = 391 value = -2000 } #Romagna
		command = { type = population which = 392 value = -2000 } #Marche
		command = { type = population which = 393 value = -2000 } #Napoli
		command = { type = population which = 394 value = -2000 } #Apulia
		command = { type = population which = 399 value = -2000 } #Roma
		command = { type = population which = 400 value = -2000 } #Siena
		command = { type = population which = 401 value = -2000 } #Firenze
		command = { type = population which = 402 value = -2000 } #Emilia
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 391 value = catholic } #Romagna
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 392 value = catholic } #Marche
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 393 value = catholic } #Napoli
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 394 value = catholic } #Apulia
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 399 value = catholic } #Roma
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 400 value = catholic } #Siena
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 401 value = catholic } #Firenze
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 402 value = catholic } #Emilia
	}
	[COLOR=Red]action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3548B" #Moderate Inquisition
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = -2 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = population which = 391 value = -1000 } #Romagna
		command = { type = population which = 392 value = -1000 } #Marche
		command = { type = population which = 393 value = -1000 } #Napoli
		command = { type = population which = 394 value = -1000 } #Apulia
		command = { type = population which = 399 value = -1000 } #Roma
		command = { type = population which = 400 value = -1000 } #Siena
		command = { type = population which = 401 value = -1000 } #Firenze
		command = { type = population which = 402 value = -1000 } #Emilia
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 392 value = catholic } #Marche
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 399 value = catholic } #Roma
	}[/COLOR]
}

In my opinion there should be no action_b here since it is for sure the best clickable and I would add a -1 serfdom too in action_A.
red: removals suggested
yellow: modifications additions suggested

P.S. and that #should trigger events in other italian kingdoms#, what should it mean?
One event for each Italian state except Venice (so TOS, SAV, MAN, PAM, PAR, GEN and eventually PIS, MLO, NAP, SIC) ?

EDIT:
Do we agree to make these events for every country including a certain amount of province each to convert to catholicism and reduce innovation by -1 or -2 and increasing serfdom by 1 or 2 ?
Please any comment before commencing codification...

 

[Semi-Lobster]

For the Kingdom of Naples, shouldn't René d'Anjou be translated to 'Renato I' or (the slightly redundant) 'Renato d'Angiò' rather then 'Renatus di Anjou' which is Latin?

 

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For the Kingdom of Naples, shouldn't René d'Anjou be translated to 'Renato I' or (the slightly redundant) 'Renato d'Angiò' rather then 'Renatus di Anjou' which is Latin?

There is no 'Renatus di Anjou' in whole AGCEEP.

'René d'Anjou' is only used in monarchs.pro, leaders.pro and events related to Provence, Burgundy and Genoa. It is never used for Naples. At least, it won't in next version with Bordic's changes and regionalized monarchs.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

There is no 'Renatus di Anjou' in whole AGCEEP.

'René d'Anjou' is only used in monarchs.pro, leaders.pro and events related to Provence, Burgundy and Genoa. It is never used for Naples. At least, it won't in next version with Bordic's changes and regionalized monarchs.

Woops! Must be a MyMap thing then Sorry about that o

 

[Bordic]

already said, it best to use what we have , remove the green for land, remove the blue for water (under paws) , remove the book and you have the best looking COA.

COA is blue background and golden lion

What about those made by kolmy?

 

[Toio]

What about those made by kolmy?

I am not going to argue with you about it, its the correct one, even the BYzantine lion (shaped head) from the 950's ADs.

I still think the one we have is the prettier one if you remove what I stated.

Again, include for submission, if u like

 

[Bordic]

I am not going to argue with you about it, its the correct one, even the BYzantine lion (shaped head) from the 950's ADs.

I still think the one we have is the prettier one if you remove what I stated.

Again, include for submission, if u like

I just wanted to let people know about latest kolmy's creation...
No need to include it for submission... I prefer the current one too...

 

[Bordic]

I have redone the whole sequence since I first posted it a couple of years ago and it works quite well. I would repost it, but I fear that it wouldn't work that well with AGCEEP. I've crafted quite a few events for the Napoleonic era and ( through the use of very specific triggers ) I usually have France in some big wars in the early 1800's. My events work well when they occupy certain provinces.

As for Naples...I've done a few there aswell. I would caution that Murat should only be moved from Berg to Naples, if Joseph goes to Spain ( i.e. if Spain is occupied and/or vassals )

Could you please Kephren post or e-mail me your sequence about the "Cispadane/Transpadane/Cisalpine Republic" or just make a new agceep thread about them?
I am looking forward to seeing it and commenting it!

As for "fantasy KoI" I have thoght about making some events concerning a fantasy Italian revolution to form the republic and use the tricolore if the French revolution has succeded in France... something like the HOL events for the Batavian Republic with or without vassalization.

Of course I will post those events in appropriate thread for fantasy Italy...

Wow this is my 1000th post!

 

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Proposal for a new CoA for Venice. It is in the same spirit as the actual EGUFSM one, but, IMHO, far better looking:





and availabe in both standard EU2 and EGUFSM!

 

[Bordic]

Proposal for a new CoA for Venice.

I support it!

 

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I admit, I'm not very well versed in Italian history but does anybody know anything about Vincentello d'Istria the count of Corsica nominally under the crown of Aragon? All the sites on him seem to be in French.

I'm bored enough to have a look. I have a book on Genoese history and as I recall he led the Aragonese invasion of Corsica.

http://www.storiacorsa.com/main.php?type=3&idContenu=43&isPere=0&idPere=0

Neveu d'Arrigo della Rocca et descendant du célèbre Giudice di Cinarca, Vincentello s'exila en Sardaigne et exerça le métier de corsaire, aux dépens des Génois.
Protégé par le roi d'Aragon, qui en fit son lieutenant en Corse, ce soldat habile et rusé débarqua dans l'île en 1404.
Il dut s'enfuir mais réussit son retour et s'imposa avec l'aide aragonaise (seules Bonifacio et Calvi, qui fut pourtant un moment occupée, restèrent acquises à Gênes).

Nommé vice-roi de Corse, il se conduisit en despote, suscita une rébellion générale et fut contraint à la fuite.
Capturé par les Génois en mer, devant Bastia, il devait être décapité à Gênes en 1434.
En guise d'épitaphe, Giovanni della Grossa écrivit: "Rien n'eût manqué à sa gloire si, dans ses dernières années, il n'eût été abandonné à la fois et par la fortune et par les hommes."

My crappy and literal translation:

Nephew of Arrigo della Rocca and descendent of the famous Giudice di Cinarca, Vincentello exiled himself in Sardinia and engaged in piracy at the expense of the Genoese.

Protected by the king of Aragon, who made him his lieutenant in Corsica, this clever and tricky soldier landed on the island [Corsica] in 1404.
He had to flee, but suceeded upon his return to impose himself with the aide of the Aragonese (only Bonifacio and Calvi, which were quickly occupied were still held by the Genoese).

Named viceroy of Corsica he behaved as a despot, causing a general rebellion and was forced to flee.

Captured at sea by the Genoese before Bastia, he was beheaded at Genoa in 1434.

As an epitaph Giovanni della Grossa wrote "nothing would have been missing from his glory if, in his final years, he had not been abandonned, first by luck and then by men."

In French there is a formal past tense that no-one really uses any more. This whole damn quote is written that way meaning it's a pain to translate.

As I understand it the Aragonese subcontracted out their war in Corsica to him.

 

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From 1911 Brittanica, a history of Corsica including Vicnentello of Istria.

Meanwhile Genoa itself had fallen into the hands of the French, and in 1407 Leonello Lomellino returned as governor with the title of count of Corsica bestowed on him by Charles VI. of France. But Vincentello d Istria, who had gained distinction in the service of the king of Aragon, had captured Cinarca, rallied round him all the communes of the Terra di Comune, proclaimed himself count of Corsica at Biguglia and even seized Bastia. Lomellino was unable to make headway against him, and by 1410 all Corsica, with the exception of Bonifacio and Calvi, was lost to Genoa, now once more independent of France. A feud of Vincentello with the bishop of Mariana, however, led to the loss of his authority in the Terra di Comune; he was compelled to go to Spain in search of assistance, and in his absence the Genoese reconquered the island. Not, however, for long. The Great Schism was too obvious an opportunity for quarrelling for the Corsicans to neglect; and the Corsican bishops and clergy were more ready with the carnal than with spiritual weapons. The suffragans of Genoa fought for Benedict XIII., those of Pisa for John XXIII.; and when Vincentello returned with an Aragonese force he was able to fish profitably in troubled waters. He easily captured Cinarca and Ajaccio, came to terms with the Pisan bishops, mastered the Terra di Comune and built a strong castle at Corte; by 1419 the Genoese possessions in Corsica were again reduced to Calvi and Bonifacio.

At this juncture Alphonso of Aragon arrived, with a large fleet, to take possession of the island. Calvi fell to him; but Bonifacio held out, and its resistance gave time for the Corsicans, aroused by the tyranny and exactions of the Aragonese, to organize revolt. In the end the siege of Bonifacio was raised, and the town, confirmed in its privileges, became practically an independent republic under Genoese protection. As for Vincentello he managed to hold his own for a while; but ultimately the country rose against him, and in 1435 he was executed as a rebel by the Genoese, who had captured him by surprise in the port of Bastia.

The anarchy continued, while rival factions, nominal adherents of the Aragonese and Genoese, contended for the mastery. Profiting by the disturbed situation, the Genoese doge, Janus da Fregoso, succeeded in reducing the island, his artillery securing him an easy victory over the forces of Count Paolo della Rocca (1441). To secure his authority he built and fortified the new city of San Fiorenzo, near the ruins of Nebbio. But again the Aragonese intervened, and the anarchy reached its height. An appeal to Pope Eugenius IV. resulted in the despatch of a pontifical army of 14,000 men (1444), which was destroyed in detail by a league of some of the caporali and most of the barons under the bold leadership of Rinuccio da Leca. A second expedition was more fortunate, and Rinuccio was killed before biguglia. In 1447 Eugenius was succeeded on the papal throne by Nicholas V., a Genoese, who promptly made over his rights in Corsica, with all the strong places held by his troops, to Genoa. The island was now, in effect, divided between the Genoese republic; the lords of Cinarca, who held their lands in the south under the nominal suzerainty of Aragon; and Galeazzo da Campo Fregoso, who was supreme in the Terra di Comune.

(Campofregoso had been exiled from Genoa after one of the many coups the republic suffered in the 15th century.)

 

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More on Corsica as the 15th century proceeds

An assembly of the chiefs of the Terra di Comune now decided to offer the government of the island to the Company or Bank of San. Giorgio, a powerful commercial corporation established at Genoa in the 14th century. The bank accepted; the Spaniards were driven from the country and a government was organized. But the bank soon fell foul of the barons, and began a war of extermination against them. Their resistance was finally broken in 1460, when the survivors took refuge in Tuscany. But order had scarcely been established when the Genoese Tommasino da Campo Fregoso, whose mother was a Corsican, revived the claims of his family and succeeded in mastering the interior of the island (1462). Two years later the duke of Milan, Francesco Sforza, overthrew the power of the Fregoso family at Genoa, and promptly proceeded to lay claim to Corsica. His lieutenant had no difficulty in making the island accept the overlordship of the duke of Milan; but when, in. 1466, Francesco Sforza died, a quarrel broke out, and Milanese suzerainty became purely nominal save in the coast towns. Finally, in 1484, Tommasino da Campo Fregoso persuaded the duke to grant him the government of the island. The strong places were handed over to him; he entered into marriage relations with Gian Paolo da Leca, the most powerful of the barons, and was soon supreme in the island.

Within three years the Corsicans were up in arms again. A descendant of the Malaspinas who had once ruled in Corsica, Jacopo IV. (d'Appiano), was now prince of Piombino, and to him the malcontents applied. His brother Gherardo, count of Montagnano, accepted the call, proclaimed himself count of Corsica, and, landing in the island, captured Biguglia and San Fiorenzo; whereupon Tommasino da Campo Fregoso discreetly sold his rights to the bank of San Giorgio. No sooner, however, had the bank, with the assistance of the count of Leca, beaten Count Gherardo than the Fregoso family tried to repudiate their bargain. Their claims were supported by the count of Leca, and it cost the agents of the bank some hard fighting before the turbulent baron was beaten and exiled to Sardinia. Twice he returned, and he was not finally expelled from the country till 1501; it was not till 1511 that the other barons were crushed and that the bank could consider itself in secure possession of the island.

The bank of San Giorgio wasn't just a commercial enterprise. It was central to the Genoese republic and held a monopoly on the republic's debt. It represented the interests of the Genoese oligarchs, although the shareholder base was quite broad.

 

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The correct date for these two Savoyan leaders are:

historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 09820 }
	category = general
	name = "Tommaso"
	startdate = {
		[color=Yellow]month = august
		year = 1640 # after defeat by Harcourt[/color]
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1656
	}
	rank = 1
	movement = 3
	fire = 3
	shock = 3
	siege = 0
	dormant = no
	remark = "brother of Vittorio Amadeo I, Corbie 1636"
}
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 09821 }
	category = monarch
	name = "Emmanuel Filiberto"
	startdate = {
		[color=Yellow]day = 3
		month = april
		year = 1559 # Peace of Cateau-Cambresis[/color]
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1580
	}
	rank = 0
	movement = 4
	fire = 4
	shock = 3
	siege = 1
	remark = "Ironhead"
}

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Isaac Brock, so does this mean that Corsica should be Aragonese in 1419 rather then Genoese with a high RR?

 

[Norrefeldt]

Isaac Brock, so does this mean that Corsica should be Aragonese in 1419 rather then Genoese with a high RR?

Yes, something outght to be made out of this mess, since it's for rather long period too.

 

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Isaac Brock, so does this mean that Corsica should be Aragonese in 1419 rather then Genoese with a high RR?

After conquering Sardinia, Alfonso V took the fight to Corsica, since the title of adquisition gave him the same right to it, and where he had the support of Vicentello de Istria, enemy of the Genoese. Conquered Calvi in late September 1420. Besieged Bonifacio from September 17, but he had to lift the siege on January 3, 1421. He then negotiated with Philippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan, obtaining Portovenere and Lerici, two naval bases, in exchange for Corsica.

Aragonese power over the island was maintained through Vicentello de Istria, who established a viceroyalty regime in 1430 over most of the island, until 1434 when he is captured and killed by the Genoese. Aragon will maintain a certain presence in the island through some villages and castles, and small interventions while keeping good relations with Genoa, who effectively controls the island from 1434.

So between 1420 and 1434 Aragon had more control over Corsica than Genoa.