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I suggest to modify this event:
Code:
#(1529-1535) The Peace of Cambrai
#modified by Bordic
event = {
	id = 285106 #triggered by FRA_12028 A
	random = no
	country = SPA
	name = "EVENTNAME12028" #The Peace of Cambrai
	desc = "EVENTHIST3108"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME285106A" #Accept the Ladies' Peace
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 409 } #Bourgogne
		command = { type = independence which = GEN }
		command = { type = independence which = SAV }
		command = { type = independence which = MAN }
		command = { type = independence which = PAM }
		command = { type = independence which = PIS }
		command = { type = independence which = PAP }
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 385 } #Ile de France - just in case[/COLOR]
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 383 } #Picardie
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 376 } #Champagne
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 386 } #Nivernais
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 409 } #Bourgogne
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = PAP value = 392 } #Marche
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = GEN value = 398 } #Corsica
		command = { type = trigger which = 285019 } #SPA: Effects of the Peace of Cambrai
	}
}
#-#The league of Cognac didn't prove to be a solid alliance against Charles V' Spanish and imperial troops. The Pope, taken captive by the lansquenets sacking Rome, abandoned the league. Genoa, important for military supply to the French troops fighting in Southern Italy, had turned to Spain thanks to the decisions of Andrea Doria who, dissatisfied by François Ier's misbehaviour to the Republic, preferred to offer his services to the Emperor. Since the military campaign in Italy was becoming too expensive for both sides and the political instability in the Empire due to religious conflicts was worsening, Louise of Savoy, François Ier's mother and regent of France, together with Margarete of Habsburg, Charles V's aunt and his representative in the administration of the Burgundian dominions, stipulated a peace treaty at Cambrai on 5 august 1529. The so called Ladies' Peace was successful, the signatories were the only ones who could have influence in the political decisions of the two monarchs and managed to induce them to make peace for the wealth of their respective countries. Signing that treaty, France had to renounce her claims to Milan, Asti, Flanders and Artois, while Spain gave up her inheritance rights to the Duchy of Bourgogne, a French fief. François Ier had also to withdraw all his troops from Italy and marry Eleanor, Charles's sister, in return for the liberation of his two sons, hostages at the Spanish court because of François Ier's disrespect for the treaty of Madrid. At Cambrai France abandoned her plans of expansionism in Italy while all her Italian allies joining the league of Cognac would be now at the Emperor's mercy. The Republic of Florence would experience Charles V's rule.


Ile de France added in case Spain owned the province, especially as the result of Burgundian inheritance.
 

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YodaMaster said:
In post #2395, I made a summary of existing events. Some provinces are already covered by such events. Please check.

Condition checking if province is not pagan (i.e. not a TP) is missing too.

post 2399 updated and amended
 

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YodaMaster said:
They have been extended in version 1.54. Are you talking about this version or previous one(s)?


I see the same POR explorers with same life expectancy (1 year) as previous version, plus names where not amended , and it seems neither where som of your improvements
 

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Toio said:
I see the same POR explorers with same life expectancy (1 year) as previous version, plus names where not amended , and it seems neither where som of your improvements
Only explorers in submission #941 have been modified. I checked them and I saw I didn't have reported name of "Alvise da Mosto" (0110836) and deathdate of "Fernão do Pó" (0110804). This will be fixed.

Other explorers were not changed.
 

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YodaMaster said:
Religion of province not pagan in order to avoid TPs is still missing.
And according to your previous comments about defortification/fortification events, "controlled province" trigger is still missing too. I agree we should need it as colonists cannot build forts when attacked or cities were already besieged and conquered = controlled by the enemy.
 

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YodaMaster said:
Only explorers in submission #941 have been modified. I checked them and I saw I didn't have reported name of "Alvise da Mosto" (0110836) and deathdate of "Fernão do Pó" (0110804). This will be fixed.

Other explorers were not changed.

For the AI , you have

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 0110808 }
category = explorer
name = "Vasco da Gama"
startdate = {
day = 7
month = july
year = 1497
}
deathdate = {
year = 1510
}
rank = 2
movement = 6
fire = 2
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = no
remark = "Discovered the maritime way to India."
}


who when he sails (under AI control) with no addrition for the AI, kills alls of these remaining explorers because the AI ONLY sends 1 explorer out at a time.
these explorers below are dead under the AI
id = { type = 6 id = 0110813 }
category = explorer
name = "João Fernandes"

id = { type = 6 id = 0110810 }
category = explorer
name = "P. Álvares Cabral" #Pedro Álvares Cabral

id = { type = 6 id = 0110812 }
category = explorer
name = "G. de Corte-Real" #Gaspar de Corte-Real

id = { type = 6 id = 0110815 }
category = explorer
name = "João da Nova"

id = { type = 6 id = 0110802 }
category = explorer
name = "Gonçalo Coelho"

id = { type = 6 id = 0110830 }
category = explorer
name = "Tristão da Cunha"


I suggest to make some extra explorers for the AI after 1510, and remove some of the above.

they are:
JOAO ALVARES FAGUNDES 1520 - 1522, explorer nova scotia and newfoundland

FRANCISCO SERRAO 1510 - 1513 , explored moluccas

and I am absolutely amazed this explorer below is not present
FERNAO MENDES PINTO 1537 - 1556, explored india, malacca, malay, vietnam and Japan.
 
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Not sure for the removal but good idea for the three late explorers, especially the last one. Nothing happens for Portugal after 1510 and there is a real problem for Indonesia.
 

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Garbon said:
Additionally it is strange to remove "famous" explorers because the AI won't use them. We still have the player to consider.
From the last time I played Portugal, I don't seem to recall that the player needs them either, I think at least two of them might be removed if the last three are to be added.
 

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Third Angel said:
From the last time I played Portugal, I don't seem to recall that the player needs them either, I think at least two of them might be removed if the last three are to be added.
Since when did need become the determinant?
 

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Bordic said:
And according to your previous comments about defortification/fortification events, "controlled province" trigger is still missing too. I agree we should need it as colonists cannot build forts when attacked or cities were already besieged and conquered = controlled by the enemy.


done / updated
 

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YodaMaster said:
Not sure for the removal but good idea for the three late explorers, especially the last one. Nothing happens for Portugal after 1510 and there is a real problem for Indonesia.

JOAO ALVARES FAGUNDES 1520 - 1522, explorer nova scotia and newfoundland
rank = 2
movement = 4
fire = 2
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = no


FRANCISCO SERRAO 1510 - 1513 , explored moluccas
rank = 2
movement = 5
fire = 3
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = no



FERNAO MENDES PINTO 1537 - 1556, explored india, malacca, malay, vietnam and Japan.
rank = 2
movement = 6
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = no

what do you think on these stats?
 

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Garbon said:
Since when did need become the determinant?
Well, pray tell me where and when such determinants were defined, and what we have to consider regarding the player if not need.


@Toio, isn't nineteen years a very long lifespan for the last explorer? This is much more than Dias and Gama, who last *only* thirteen years, most other portuguese explorers don't even last for more than five years.
 

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Third Angel said:
Well, pray tell me where and when such determinants were defined, and what we have to consider regarding the player if not need.

They aren't, which is why I found it interesting that need was given such weight in both your arguments.
 

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Third Angel said:
@Toio, isn't nineteen years a very long lifespan for the last explorer? This is much more than Dias and Gama, who last *only* thirteen years, most other portuguese explorers don't even last for more than five years.

Call it, better ships, better maps, better instruments :) other explorers where not as good.

what do you suggest ????

anything less than 10 years is a waste
 

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Garbon said:
They aren't, which is why I found it interesting that need was given such weight in both your arguments.
Well, if they aren't yet, I may still propose that usefulness in order to achieve historical goals be one of them and be taken into consideration when number of explorers, lifespans and stats are decided.


Toio said:
Call it, better ships, better maps, better instruments :) other explorers where not as good.

what do you suggest ????

anything less than 10 years is a waste
Quickly reading stuff about him on the web, like this, I suggest to not add him at all since he doesn't qualify as an explorer, or even a leader.
 

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Third Angel said:
Quickly reading stuff about him on the web, like this, I suggest to not add him at all since he doesn't qualify as an explorer, or even a leader.

maybe true, but someone with a portuguese fleet sailed/explored these asian waters and was a captain if you say that Pinto was not ??

so I have found

Jorge Álvares (died July 8, 1521) is credited as the first Portuguese explorer to have reached China and Hong Kong. The Fundação Jorge Álvares (Jorge Álvares Foundation), founded by Vasco Joaquim Rocha Vieira prior to the handover of Macau, got its name for also having reached there.
from 1513 to 1517

In 1542 Antonio de Mota of Portugal made landfall in Japan , the first westerner to do so

ANTÓNIO DE FARIA DE SOUSA, 1534 to 1539

Pedro de Faria y Sousa 1517 - 1520 , timor

Diego de Roca 1542 -1548 , phillipines

Diogo Soares was a 16th century Portuguese navigator and explorer. He visited Madagascar in 1543 and named the northern coastal town of Antsiranana.

António de Abreu was a Portuguese navigator and naval officer (16th century, born in Madeira). He participated under Afonso de Albuquerque in the conquest of Ormus in 1507 and Malacca in 1511, where he was injured. Leaving Malacca in November 1511 with three ships, he led the first European expedition[1] to reach of Timor, and the Banda Islands in 1512, in Indonesia, during an exploratory voyage to the 'Spice Islands' of Maluku.[2]

Diogo Veloso was an explorer from Portugal who, along with Blas Ruiz, were the first Europeans to ever set foot in Laos. Veloso's journey to Laos started in Cambodia. In Cambodia, Veloso met and befriended King Satha of Lovek and Ruiz of Spain. When Lovek was invaded by Ayutthaya, Satha was overthrown by his son and other nobles who allowed Ayutthaya to take control, forcing Veloso to flee to the Portuguese colony of Melaka, the place where he began his adventure in Southeast Asia.

Diogo Rodrigues
(16th century) Portuguese explorer of the Indian Ocean, after whom the island of Rodrigues is named. Named the islands of Réunion, Mauritius, and Rodrigues the Mascarene or Mascarenhas Islands, after his countryman Pedro Mascarenhas. According to José Nicolau da Fonseca, Rodrigues was buried in Goa with his grave's inscription reading: Acqui jaz Diogo Rodrigues o do Forte, Capitão desta Fortaleza, o qual derrubou os pagodes destas terras. Falleceu á 21 de Abril de 1577 annos. In English translation this reads: "Here lies Diogo Rodrigues, (called) 'the one of the Fort', Captain of this Fortress, who destroyed the pagodas of these territories. He died on April 21, 1577."

http://books.google.com/books?id=KQ...Rkpu&sig=hB1CLkfxFbQl-EZ_pA8mOb-BUG0#PPA94,M1

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