AGC-EEP Holland

[Mad King James]

The union of Holland and Hainaut went by the name of Hainaut, not Holland. This state had quite a ride early on in the game...

U17;Hainaut;;;;;;;;;;1360
U17_DESC;The county of Hainaut was created in the late 9th century as part of the Carolingian empire, and later became a fief of Lotharingia, in Lower Lorraine. United and seperated with Flanders numerous times, it finally was united with Holland to form its final incarnation with John of Avesnes invading Holland in 1299. In 1433, Philip the Good of Burgundy added Hainaut and Holland to his dominions after overcoming the resistance of his cousin, Countess Jacqueline. Hainaut remained under the house of Burgundy until the death of Mary of Burgundy, when its history became that of the Spanish Netherlands.;;;;;;;;;;1595

 

[Mad King James]

[color=white]
##########Hainaut Major Events##########
########By James 'Mad King' Dahl########
########################################

#Jan IV, and the Treaty of Woudrichem#
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80000
	random = no
	country = u17
	name = "The Treaty of Woudrichem"
	desc = "From 1417 to 1419, Jacqueline feuded with her uncle, Jan VI of Bavaria, over who would inherit the Duchy of Hainaut.  Jan gathered support from the Kabeljauws, the Pope, and the Emperor Sigismund to force Jacqueline from the county."
	style = 1
	
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1421 }
	
	action_a = { 
		name = "Jan wins"
		command = { type = relation which = BUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 80001 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19088 }
		command = { type = setflag which = JacobaLose }
	}
	
	action_b = {
		name = "Jaqueline wins"
		command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -25 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -50 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19090 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19091 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19092 }
		command = { type = war which = BUR }
		command = { type = setflag which = JacobaWins }
	}
}

#Jacqueline's divorce of Jan IV of Brabant#
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80001
	trigger = { 
			flag = JacobaLose
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "Jacqueline's displeasure of John IV of Brabant"
	desc = "Jacqueline had married her cousin, John IV duke of Brabant, nephew of Philip the Good of Burgundy, but found him useless in helping her recover Hainaut.  John then pledged all of Jacqueline's territories to her uncle Jan.  Jacqueline found this intolerable, and she sought refuge in England.  Although her previous marriage had been dubiously annulled, there she married Humphrey, duke of Gloucester, and brother to King Henry V of England."
	
	style = 1
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1421 }
	offset = 300
	
	action_a = {
		name = "Allow the marraige"
		command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAU value = -75 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 80105 }
		command = { type = setflag which = JacobaDivorce }
	}
	
	action_b = {
		name = "Send her away"
		command = { type = relation which = HAU value = 25 }
	}
}

#The Duke of Gloucester and the Countess of Hainaut#
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80104
	random = no
	country = u17
	name = "EVENTNAME3893"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3893"
	style = 1

	action_a = {
		name = "Jaqueline is invading!"
		command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
	}
}

#Jacoba's last rebellion#
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80002
	random = no
	country = BUR
	trigger = { 
		NOT = { 
			flag = JacobaWins 
		}
	}
	name = "Jacqueline's Rebellion"
	desc = "In a final defiance, Jacqueline stirred up rebellion in Holland in an attempt to regain her lost inheritance."
	style = 1

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1433 }
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1434 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Holland is in revolt!"
		command = { type = revolt which = 339 }
		command = { type = revolt which = 339 }
		command = { type = war which = u17 }
	}
}


#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80003
	random = no
	country = u17
	trigger = {
		control = { province = 378 data = REB }
		flag = JacobaDivorce
	}
	name = "Jacqueline takes Hainaut!"
	desc = "Jacqueline and Humphrey, duke of Gloucester, the brother of King Henry V, invaded Hainaut in an attempt to restore her title as Countess of Hainaut and throw off the influence of her perfidious uncle Jan. They captured Hainaut and Jaqueline drove her uncle away, and was once again countess of Hainaut."
	style = 1
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1423 }
	offset = 0
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1425 }
	
	action_a = { #Jacky wins!#
		name = "Jaqueline is victorious!"
		command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 100 }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BUR }
		command = { type = dynastic which = ENG }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19090 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19091 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19092 }
		command = { type = setflag which = JacobaWins }
	}
}

#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80004
	random = no
	country = u17
	trigger = { 
		NOT = { 
			flag = JacobaDivorce 
		}
	}
	name = "Jacqueline inherits Brabant"
	desc = "Jaqueline was married to John of Brabant, and as his wife, seized his lands upon his death before Philip could get his hands on it.  She soon remarried the dashing brother of King Henry of England, Humphrey of Gloucester."
	style = 1
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1427 }
	offset = 0
	deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1427 }
	
	action_a = { #Jacky wins!#
		name = "I deserve it for marrying that old fart!"
		command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 100 }
		command = { type = inherit which = HAU }
		command = { type = dynastic which = ENG }
		command = { type = addcore which = 340 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19090 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19091 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19092 }
	}
}

#The Death of Jacoba#
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80005
	random = no
	country = u17
	trigger = { 
		NOT = { 
			flag = JacobaWins 
		}
	}
	name = "The Death of Jacoba"
	desc = "Jacoba died in 1436 of tuberculosis, leaving no heirs. Her closest blood relative was Philip III of Burgundy, but she never cared much for Philip.  However, the Kabeljaws are prepared to seize power and turn Hainaut into a merchant republic."
	style = 1

	date = { day = 9 month = october year = 1436 }
	offset = 0
	deathdate = { day = 10 month = october year = 1436 }
	
	action_a = {
		name = "Philip of Burgundy will rule Hainaut"
		command = { type = trigger which = 80010 }
	}
	
	action_b = {
		name = "Perfidious Burgundians, we shall be a republic!"
		command = { type = war which = BUR }
		command = { type = stability value = -5 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = -4 }
		command = { type = domestic which = mercantilism value = -4 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -6 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
	}
}

#The Treaty of Woudriechem # 
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80100
	random = no
	country = BUR
	name = "The Treaty of Woudrichem"
	desc = "From 1417 to 1419, Jacqueline feuded with her uncle, Jan VI of Bavaria, over who would inherit the Duchy of Hainaut.  Jan gathered support from the Kabeljauws, the Pope, and the Emperor Sigismund to force Jacqueline from the county.  In the end, a treaty drafted by Philip III of Burgundy ended the fighting, by making Jan her 'tutor', basically forcing Jacqueline to be a puppet of Jan."
	style = 2

	action_a = { # Marvellous!
		name = "ACTIONNAME3807A"
		command = { type = vassal which = u17 } 
	}
}

#The Treaty of Delft # 
#MKJ
event = { 
	id = 80101
	trigger = { 
		NOT = { 
			flag = JacobaWins 
		}
	}
	random = no 
	country = BUR 
	name = "The Treaty of Delft" 
	desc = "In 1428 Jan VI died, and Jacqueline was a captive of Philip III of Burgundy in Ghent.  Philip wished to avenge the indignity she caused his cousin John IV of Brabant.  She escaped but submitted after a struggle. The treaty of Delft recognized her as nominal countess and Philip as her administrator and heir." 
	style = 1 

	date = { day = 11 month = april year = 1428 } 
	offset = 0 
	deathdate = { day = 12 month = april year = 1428 } 

	action_a = {
		name = "Rule in her name" 
		command = { type = inherit which = u17 } 
	} 
} 

#Jacoba's Dead# 
#MKJ
event = { 
	id = 80010
	random = no 
	country = BUR 
	name = "The Treaty of Delft" 
	desc = "In 1436 Jacqueline died of teburculosis, and as she had designated Philip as her sole heir in the Treaty of Delft, Hainaut passed to Philip III of Burgundy." 
	style = 1 

	action_a = {
		name = "That's COUNT Philip to you!" 
		command = { type = inherit which = u17 } 
	} 
} 

#The Marriage of Anne of Burgundy#
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 3597
	trigger = {
		exists = FRA
atwar = no
	}
	random = no
	country = BUR
	name = "EVENTNAME3597"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3597"
	style = 1

date = { day = 3 month = june year = 1476 }
	offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 4 month = june year = 1484 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3597A"	#Maximilian of Austria#
			command = { type = capital which = 380 }
			# France seizes lands that Mary was a vassal to France for
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 376 } # Champagne
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 379 } # Artois
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 383 } # Picardie
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 384 } # Caux
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 385 } # Ile de France
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 386 } # Nivernais
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 406 } # Provence
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 407 } # Dauphiné
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 408 } # Lyonnais
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 409 } # Bourgogne
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 410 } # Berri
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 411 } # Orleanais
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 412 } # Maine
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 413 } # Normandie
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 417 } # Vendée
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 418 } # Poitou
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 419 } # Limousin
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 420 } # Auvergne
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 421 } # Cévennes
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 422 } # Languedoc
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 423 } # Guyenne
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 424 } # Gascogne
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 382 } # Calais
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 425 } # Béarn
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 414 } # Armor
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 415 } # Bretagne
			command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 416 } # Morbihan
			command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3597B"	#Charles of France#
			command = { type = trigger which = 3319 } # FRA
	}
}

#The Duke of Gloucester and the Countess of Hainaut#
#MKJ(?)
event = {
	id = 3893
	trigger = {
		flag = JacobaDivorce 
	}
	random = no
	country = BUR
	name = "EVENTNAME3893"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3893"
	style = 1

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1423 }
	offset = 300

	action_a = { #How dare they!#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3893A"
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -100 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 80104 } 
	}
}

#The Treaty of Arras#
#MKJ
# Includes bugfix from threadid=36352 - Korath
event = {
	id = 3894
	trigger = {
		flag = JacobaDivorce 
		exists = FRA
		exists = ENG

		NOT = { war = { country = BUR country = FRA } }
		NOT = { war = { country = BUR country = ENG } }
	}
	random = no
	country = BUR
	name = "EVENTNAME3894"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3894"
	style = 1

	date = { day = 21 month = september year = 1435 }
	offset = 0
	deathdate = { day = 0 month = january year = 1453 }

	action_a = {#Side with the French#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3894A"
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 200 }
		command = { type = alliance which = FRA }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
	}
	action_b = {#Side with the English#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3894B"
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 200 }
	}
}

#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80105
	random = no
	country = BUR
	name = "Jaqueline's divorce of John of Brabant"
	desc = "John had willed Hainaut to her uncle Jan VI, forcing her to divorce him and seek aid in England.  This action infuriated both John and Philip III, his cousin.  John soon joined the camp of Philip, who sought dominance over the low countries."
	style = 2

	action_a = {
		name = "John will now support us"
		command = { type = vassal which = HAU } 
	}
}

#Jean Calvin and William of Orange#
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80006
	random = no
	country = u17
	trigger = {
		event = 101
	}
	date = { year = 1419 month = june day = 14 }
	offset = 0
	deathdate = { year = 1650 month = june day = 14 }

	name = "Jean Calvin in Hainaut"
	desc = "Calvinism swept through the Low Countries creating many zealous followers, who were swept up not only in religious reformation but nationalism as well."
	style = 2
	
	action_a = {
		name = "Let us forge a new destiny!"
		command = { type = religion which = reformed }
		command = { type = country which = HOL }
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = -5 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -5 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 4 }
	}
	
	action_b = {
		name = "Remain Catholic"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
	}
}

# The Dutch Republic
#MKJ
event = {
	id = 80007
	random = no
	country = u17
	name = "EVENTNAME3806"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3806"
	style = 2
	
	action_a = { # Join
		name = "ACTIONNAME3806A"
		command = { type = trigger which = 80015 }
	}
	
	action_b = { # Stay out
		name = "ACTIONNAME3806B"
		command = { type = relation which = HOL value = -100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
	}
}

##########Alter a single event:

# Spain is Unified
event = {

	id = 3848 # Triggered by CAS 3849 or ARG 3850			
	random = no
	country = SPA
	name = "EVENTNAME3848"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3848"
	style = 2

	action_a = { #The Kingdoms are one!#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3848A"
		command = { type = inherit which = ARG }
		command = { type = inherit which = CAS }
		command = { type = inherit which = BUR }
                command = { type = addcore which = 426 } #added Roussillon
                command = { type = addcore which = 428 } #added Navarra
                command = { type = addcore which = 393 } #added Napoli
                command = { type = addcore which = 394 } #added Apulia
                command = { type = addcore which = 395 } #added Messina
                command = { type = addcore which = 396 } #added Sicily
                command = { type = addcore which = 397 } #added Sardinia
    } 
}

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[Mad King James]

Hainaut Monarch List:

[color=white]
# Counts of Hainaut #

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19087 }
	name = "Jacoba"
	startdate = { 
		year = 1417
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 9
		month = october
		year = 1436
	}
	DIP = 2
	ADM = 2
	MIL = 2
	dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19088 }
	name = "Jan III"
	startdate = { 
		year = 1417
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 11
		month = april
		year = 1428
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 4
	dormant = yes
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19089 }
	name = "Staten Generaal"
	startdate = { 
		day = 9
		month = october
		year = 1436
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 3
		month = september
		year = 1523
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19090 }
	name = "Jacoba" # If she wins
	startdate = { 
		year = 1417
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 14
		month = may
		year = 1463
	}
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 5
	dormant = yes
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19091 }
	name = "Humfried I*"
	startdate = { 
		day = 14
		month = may
		year = 1463
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 8
		month = march
		year = 1496
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 3
	dormant = yes
	# Fictitious son of Jacqueline and her husband, Humphrey
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19092 }
	name = "Humfried II*"
	startdate = { 
		day = 8
		month = march
		year = 1496
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 30
		month = july
		year = 1538
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 3
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {  #William the Rich#
	id = { type = 6 id = 19093 }
	name = "Willem VII de Rijke" 
	startdate = { 
		day = 30
		month = july
		year = 1538
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 6
		month = october
		year = 1559
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 3
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {  #William of Orange#
	id = { type = 6 id = 19094 }
	name = "Willem VIII de Zwijger"
	startdate = { 
		day = 6
		month = october
		year = 1559
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 10
		month = july
		year = 1584
	}
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 8
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19095 }
	name = "Jan V"
	startdate = { 
		day = 3
		month = february
		year = 1559
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 30
		month = july
		year = 1606
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 3
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {  #Maurice of Nassau#
	id = { type = 6 id = 19096 }
	startdate = {
		day = 10
		month = july
		year = 1585
		}
	deathdate = {
		day = 23
		month = april
		year = 1625
		}
	name = "Maurits I"
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 9
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = { 
	id = { type = 6 id = 19097 }
	startdate = {
		day = 23
		month = april
		year = 1625
		}
	deathdate = {
		day = 14
		month = march
		year = 1647
		}
	name = "Frederik-Hendrik I"
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = { 
	id = { type = 6 id = 19098 }
	startdate = {
		day = 14
		month = march
		year = 1647
		}
	deathdate = {
		day = 6
		month = november
		year = 1650
		}
	name = "Willem IX"
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19099 }
	startdate = {
		day = 6
		month = november
		year = 1650
		}
	deathdate = {
		day = 14
		month = november
		year = 1672
		}
	name = "Jan de Witt"
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 7
	remark = "Regency"
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19100 }
	startdate = {
		day = 14
		month = november
		year = 1672
		}
	deathdate = {
		day = 19
		month = march
		year = 1702
		}
	name = "Willem X"
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 9
	MIL = 7
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19101 }
	startdate = {
		day = 19
		month = march
		year = 1702
		}
	deathdate = {
		day = 14
		month = july
		year = 1711
		}
	name = "Jan VI Friso"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19102 }
	startdate = {

		day = 14
		month = july
		year = 1711
		}
	deathdate = {
		day = 22
		month = october
		year = 1751
		}
	name = "Willem XI"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19103 }
	startdate = {
		day = 22
		month = october
		year = 1751
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 6
		month = april
		year = 1806
	}
	name = "Willem XII Batavus"
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19104 }
	startdate = {
		day = 6
		month = april
		year = 1806
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 7
		month = october
		year = 1840
	}
	name = "Willem XIII Frederik"
	DIP = 3
	ADM = 3
	MIL = 3
	dormant = no
}

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Burgundy Monarch List:

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# Burgundy (Dukes) #

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04230 }
	name = "Jean I sans Peur"
	startdate = {
		year = 1404
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 10
		month = september
		year = 1419
	}
	DIP = 9
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 8
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04231 }
	name = "Philippe III le Bon"
	startdate = {
		day = 10
		month = september
		year = 1419
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 15
		month = june
		year = 1467
	}
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 8
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04232 }
	name = "Charles I le Téméraire"
	startdate = {
		day = 15
		month = june
		year = 1467
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 5
		month = january
		year = 1477
	}
	DIP = 2
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 7
	dormant = no
	remark = "In history, died in battle on Jan 5th 1477. Letting him live screws with history too much."
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04233 }
	name = "Marie"
	startdate = {
		day = 5
		month = january
		year = 1477
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 27
		month = march
		year = 1482 
	}
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 2
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04234 }
	name = "Philip IV"
	startdate = {
		day = 27
		month = march
		year = 1482
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 25
		month = september
		year = 1506 
	}
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 4
	ADM = 4
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04235 }
	name = "Charles II"
	startdate = {
		day = 25
		month = september
		year = 1506 
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 25
		month = october
		year = 1556
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 9
	MIL = 8
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04236 }
	name = "Philip V"
	startdate = {
		day = 25
		month = october
		year = 1556
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1598
		month = september
		day = 13
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 7
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04237 }
	name = "Philip VI"
	startdate = {
		year = 1598
		month = september
		day = 14
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1621
		month = march
		day = 31
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04238 }
	name = "Philip VII"
	startdate = {
		year = 1621
		month = april
		day = 1
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1665
		month = september
		day = 17
	}
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 3
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04239 }
	name = "Charles III"
	startdate = {
		year = 1665
		month = september
		day = 18
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1700
		month = november
		day = 1
	}
	DIP = 2
	ADM = 2
	MIL = 2
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04240 }
	name = "Charles IV"
	startdate = {
		year = 1700
		month = november
		day = 2
		}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1740
		month = october
		day =20
		}
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04241 }
	name = "Marie II"
	startdate = {
		year = 1740
		month = october
		day = 21
		}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1780
		month = november
		day = 29
		}
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 7
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04242 }
	name = "Francoise"
	startdate = {
		year = 1780
		month = november
		day = 29
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	DIP = 3
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}

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I have no problem with calling it Hainault (although I prefer the l, but then that's just my preference for using English names were possible), or in fact in giving it Artois, but it all goes back to the same old problem of what to do with Zeeland. Give it to Hainault and we have an ahistoric monster in the low countries. Give it to Brabant and Brabant is also much too big. Who else? Burgundy would be a good solution for gameplay, but there is no real historical basis for it.

On other matters, I think that the Apulia and Napoli cores should be given to Spain in 1504 at the treaty of Granada.

And we still haven't really resolved when Aragon should be inherited by Castille. I know this is OT, and you've put it in there just to be complete, but I didn't want anyone thinking that issue was closed!

 

[Twoflower]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
I have no problem with calling it Hainault (although I prefer the l, but then that's just my preference for using English names were possible), or in fact in giving it Artois, but it all goes back to the same old problem of what to do with Zeeland. Give it to Hainault and we have an ahistoric monster in the low countries. Give it to Brabant and Brabant is also much too big. Who else? Burgundy would be a good solution for gameplay, but there is no real historical basis for it.

Well, people from the French forum have been insisting on giving Artois to Burgundy for ages, and I wholeheartily agree with them. If Burgundy has Artois, it's no problem to give Zeeland to the Dutch Wittelsbachs (note the neutral term). Personally I don't think it's that clear whether they ought to be called Holland, Hainault or Zeeland, and I really refuse to buy that it "went by the name of Hainault" unless I see hard proof. In fact, when Burgundy gets Artois, it would look pretty strange to have the country as Hainault since it is based just in Holland and Zeeland.

The big problem about giving Zeeland to Brabant that MKJ has always seemed to deliberately ignore (no offense, really, but you avoided making a statement on it so far ) is that this effectively will take one province away from the Dutch republic, which can hardly be considered desirable.

 

[Mad King James]

Well, what I wanted to do was basically cheat

I wanted to make Zeeland represent Brabant for 10 years, and for the next 390 years represent Vlissingen.

I also wanted Brabant province to represent Hainaut for 10 years, then be Brussels for the next 390.

Lately however, I've come to the opinion that the province of Artois, as it is shown on the EU2 map, is not Artois, but rather southern Belgium. Artois is in reality inside Flandern province. (the southern half of it)

I think I should make a new rule ))

The 'City is wrong' rule.

If a city REALLY should be the capital of a province long term, but it is simply untenable in the short term, then a city should be able to 'play as' another city for a short period in the scenario. Thus even though Thessalonica and Vlissingen did not belong to either the Ottoman Empire or Brabant, their provinces for gameplay purposes have no choice but to, thusly those cities must for the time being represent other cities.

 

[Twoflower]

Originally posted by Mad King James
Well, what I wanted to do was basically cheat

I wanted to make Zeeland represent Brabant for 10 years, and for the next 390 years represent Vlissingen.

I also wanted Brabant province to represent Hainaut for 10 years, then be Brussels for the next 390.

Lately however, I've come to the opinion that the province of Artois, as it is shown on the EU2 map, is not Artois, but rather southern Belgium. Artois is in reality inside Flandern province. (the southern half of it)

I think I should make a new rule ))

The 'City is wrong' rule.

If a city REALLY should be the capital of a province long term, but it is simply untenable in the short term, then a city should be able to 'play as' another city for a short period in the scenario. Thus even though Thessalonica and Vlissingen did not belong to either the Ottoman Empire or Brabant, their provinces for gameplay purposes have no choice but to, thusly those cities must for the time being represent other cities.

Can you explain what exactly is so bad about giving Artois to Burgundy and Zeeland to Holland? Why is this province distribution more, as you put it, "untenable", than your city swapping?
I don't like such an inconsistent treatment at all, since it is, as you rightfully said, "cheating".

 

[Mad King James]

Mainly the fact that Hainaut owned about 5% of the province called 'Zeeland' on the EU2 map, and by virtue of owning Zeeland, it borders a ton of countries it should be nowhere even close to.

As well, Artois is more inside the province of Picardie than Artois, Artois corresponds with southern Belgium almost precisely. Also, Hainaut should have a border with France.

 

[Mad King James]

Alright here's the setup I'm thinking of:

By the way, I've been thinking of putting Burgundy in the initial war against France with England, but maybe not the English alliance?

 

[Alyosha]

By the way, I've been thinking of putting Burgundy in the initial war against France with England, but maybe not the English alliance?

I think that makes sense, in terms of gameplay. England in alliance with Burgundy typcial draws it into multiple wars, especially in the Low Countries where it ahistorically annexes territory. Besides, if someone wants an alliance between England and Burgundy, it isn't that hard to get.

 

[Twoflower]

Originally posted by Mad King James

By the way, I've been thinking of putting Burgundy in the initial war against France with England, but maybe not the English alliance?

Burgundy will be removed from both the war and the alliance with England in the first beta of AGCEEP. We will adapt the new HYW setup worked out by Sire Philippe and several other forum members (mainly in the French forum) that will greatly improve things in the area. "France" representing the north that was still somewhat under the authority of the King is a vassal and ally of Burgundy.
Burgundy and its French vassal ally with England and declare war on the Dauphin (who owns the French south, gets the Jeanne D'Arc events and will eventually become France) on September 10th 1419 if he chooses to murder Jean Sans Peur at Montereau.

 

[Mad King James]

No comments on the dutch setup?

 

[Twoflower]

Originally posted by Mad King James
No comments on the dutch setup?

Well, there doesn't seem to be much of an alternative to "city swapping" when the only other possibility would be making it North Brabant permanently and changing the city to Breda.

 

[Mad King James]

So we've got a winner on our hands?

 

[Mad King James]

By the way, I just thought of something...

During the War of the Roses, Humphrey I and his son Humphrey II would be both nephew and grand-nephew of King Henry V. They should definitely take part in the War of the Roses. Maybe a possibility of Humphrey on the English throne? Presumably if Humphrey is ruling Hainaut then Hainaut inherited Brabant via Jaqueline, and is therefore a major power.

Come to think of it, through Jacqueline, Humphrey would have claim to Capetian France as well, but again there's that stupid issue of Salic law

 

[ForzaA]

some "observations"

-whats the marriage of Anne of Burgundy doing in the Hainau(l)t event file?
- since Artois is "actually" part of s-Flandern (up to Lille and Arras there are even now "Dutch" speakers) there *should* be some event to make it Dutch cultured if certain conditions apply (ie.. if the region is ruled by a "dutch" country at *some* yet to be determined date/timeframe)
- how small was the chance *really* that Hainau(l)t or whatever you want to call it, WOULD survive? (I'd like a more peacefull survival, if this is possible within the historical frame, for example Burgundy being to much occupied elsewhere, and thus giving concessions)
- perhaps the "zeeland" taxes could be partially split between adjoining provinces, to be returned at some date? (my comment on the dutch setup )
- some extra (flavour, or big) events for a surviving Hainau(l)t would be cool ("war of religion", meddling in burgundian inheritance.. that kind of things)

 

[Mad King James]

Hainaut wasn't doomed or anything, just the victim of a dynastic squabble that ended with it's absorbtion. It was in fact the strongest of all the Dutch states.

And you have it backwards, I was saying that the province of Artois corresponds with southern (french) Belgium, and that the real artois is actually inside Flandern province, not that Artois province is southern Flanders...

 

[ForzaA]

Originally posted by Mad King James
Hainaut wasn't doomed or anything, just the victim of a dynastic squabble that ended with it's absorbtion. It was in fact the strongest of all the Dutch states.

And you have it backwards, I was saying that the province of Artois corresponds with southern (french) Belgium, and that the real artois is actually inside Flandern province, not that Artois province is southern Flanders...

still... i DO believe that IF Hainau(l)t has Artois at the start (especially then) it should be able to become Dutch cultured ( I just figured out what Hainau(l)t was in Dutch... and that name does suggest it was at some time VERY dutch)
also.. if Artois was part of Hainau(l)t it isn't supposed to give difficulty governing I'd think.. and i think it would go too far giving Hainau(l)t French culture..

 

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Maybe the best option would be for Artois to start Dutch then have an event for it to change to French if France owns it?

 

[Alyosha]

Maybe the best option would be for Artois to start Dutch then have an event for it to change to French if France owns it?

That sounds a lot better than giving Hainaut French culture.