AGC-EEP Holland

[Garbon]

Just in case a player has built a fort there and then gets a random fort event. This way all pre-existing forts are guaranteed destroyed.

I don't get that though. Why should the player be penalized? It sounds to me like historically the earlier fort was rather shabby, so why should a good quality for get destroyed? I think the standard lose 1, +1 makes more sense in that case.

 

[unmerged(40707)]

I agree with Garbon. Too bad we can't test the level of fortification for a province in a trigger...

EDIT: that's why most of lvl1 fortifications events could be free, just in case random events happened before.

 

[sturmvogel]

OK, I've made the level one fort free. But now that I've done so is there any reason to have an action B? I'm not inclined to think so since now there is no downside.

 

[Toio]

OK, I've made the level one fort free. But now that I've done so is there any reason to have an action B? I'm not inclined to think so since now there is no downside.

agree for NO option B

 

[sturmvogel]

AI colonization of Table

Does the Dutch AI consistently colonize Table? Does the AI make any attempt to explore southern Africa?

It wasn't colonized until 6 Apr 1652 so I don't want to encourage colonization before then, but I'm wondering if a new event granting a core on Table is necessary to encourage the Dutch to do the "right" thing. The colony's governor is already in the game although he needs to shortened a couple of years to match his tenure as governor. And a location a little closer to Table might be nice. Jakarta would probably work.

historicalleader = {
	category = conquistador
	id = { type = 6 id = 060328 }
	name = "van Riebeeck"
	startdate = {
		year = 1652
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 166[COLOR=YellowGreen]2 #vice 1665[/COLOR]
	}
	[COLOR=Green]location = 778 #Table[/COLOR]
	rank = 3
	movement = 4
	fire = 2
	shock = 2
	siege = 0
	dormant = no
}

Thoughts, experiences?

 

[unmerged(40707)]

Does the Dutch AI consistently colonize Table? Does the AI make any attempt to explore southern Africa?

Yes and yes.

A core on Table could at least encourage Netherlands to keep the province in peace deals.

Why not directly Table for the conquistador? If Table is not owned by Netherlands when conquistador is activated, engine will search for nearest available Dutch province.

 

[sturmvogel]

Yes and yes.

A core on Table could at least encourage Netherlands to keep the province in peace deals.

Why not directly Table for the conquistador? If Table is not owned by Netherlands when conquistador is activated, engine will search for nearest available Dutch province.

Conquistador moved to Table. And since the Dutch received the Cape Colony back from Britain once during Napoleonic Wars a core seems reasonable to me as well.

#(1652-) Replenishment Station at the Cape of Good Hope
event = {
	id = 186061
	trigger = {
[COLOR=YellowGreen]	OR = {
		discovered = 778 #Table
		discovered = 1329 #Table Bay
	}
		flag = [VOC]
[/COLOR]	}
	random = no
	country = HOL
	name = "EVENTNAME186061" #Replenishment Station at the Cape of Good Hope
	desc = "EVENTHIST186061"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = february year = 1652 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1814 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME186061A" #Plant the Flag!
		command = { type = addcore which = 778 } #Table	}
}

EVENTNAME186061;Replenishment Station at the Cape of Good Hope;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST186061;The expanding Dutch traffic to service their colonies in the Spice Islands caused them to place a settlement at the Cape of Good Hope to resupply the ships of the VOC on their voyages.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME186061A;Plant the Flag!;;;;;;;;;;

 

[unmerged(40707)]

For new 186061, it seems obvious but Netherlands should at least know Table (778) or Table Bay (1329). And [VOC] flag should be a prerequisite too (i.e. HOL_3503 happened and Netherlands never disappeared after that).

 

[sturmvogel]

For new 186061, it seems obvious but Netherlands should at least know Table (778) or Table Bay (1329). And [VOC] flag should be a prerequisite too (i.e. HOL_3503 happened and Netherlands never disappeared after that).

Good points. Can I plead in mitigation that I'm suffering from a bad cold and massive headache?

 

[unmerged(40707)]

I see... Table or Table Bay!

 

[sturmvogel]

I see... Table or Table Bay!

I really prefer to use sea zones for these sorts of things since they're far more likely to be discovered. I think you caught me while I was referencing the number for Table Bay from your post.

 

[unmerged(40707)]

But it is weird for Netherlands to not get the core if province itself is discovered (by land from Karroo with Cape of Good hope discovered, for example).

 

[Toio]

I see... Table or Table Bay!

i see in every game , 2 of these 3 provinces settled by dutch around 1650
TABLE
KARROO
CISKEI

each combination is different in every game

 

[unmerged(40707)]

I see all of them too and Transkei as well.

 

[sturmvogel]

But it is weird for Netherlands to not get the core if province itself is discovered (by land from Karroo with Cape of Good hope discovered, for example).

Ah, now I understand. Pardon me for being a little thick-headed today.

 

[sturmvogel]

#(1610-1690) Dutch Conflict with Portugal
event = {
	id = 18019
[COLOR=YellowGreen]	trigger = { flag = [VOC] }
[/COLOR]	random = no
	country = HOL
	name = "EVENTNAME18019" #Dutch Conflict with Portugal
	desc = "EVENTHIST18019"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1610 }
	offset = 360
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1690 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME18019A" #Use Force to Secure Trade
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = -400 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 205 } #Pernambuc
		command = { type = addcore which = 576 } #Colombo
	[COLOR=Red]	command = { type = addcore which = 577 } #Jaffna
[/COLOR]		command = { type = addcore which = 677 } #Malacca
		command = { type = addcore which = 701 } #Sunda
		command = { type = addcore which = 702 } #Jakarta
		command = { type = addcore which = 795 } #Leone
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME18019B" #Avoid Open Conflict
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = 50 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 18020 } #HOL: Dutch Ambitions Realized
		[COLOR=YellowGreen]command = { type = sleepevent which = 413004 } #U19: Alliance with the Dutch[/COLOR]
	}
}

Shouldn't this event happen only if the VOC has been formed? Added new sleep event command for the start of the Dutch-Portuguese War in Ceylon. Based on preliminary information the Dutch never really control the center and eastern half of Ceylon.

 

[Garbon]

I wonder if it would make sense to change the current English explorer:

historicalleader = {
category = explorer
id = { type = 6 id = 046333 }
name = "Henry Hudson"
startdate = {
day = 23 #Crook
month = April #Crook
year = 1607 #Formerly 1597 - Edited by Johnny Canuck
}
deathdate = {
day = 22 #Crook
month = june #Crook
year = 1611
}
rank = 9
movement = 5
fire = 3
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = no
}

It appears that he spent 1609 in the hire of the Dutch East India Company and was the explorer that discovered the New York (well New Netherland) area for the Dutch. Should we break him up into 3 different explorers (one for English exploration 1607-1609, one for the dutch 1609-1610, and then English again 1610-1611? The only downside is that I realize that the AI is already bad at using their explorers...but at the same time, he could be useful to get historical dutch colonization going.

 

[Garbon]

Alternate or suggestion in tandem is that we add people like Cornelis Jacobsz May and Adriaen Block who both also explored the area for the Netherlands.

And what's up with:

historicalleader = {
	category = explorer
	id = { type = 6 id = 060343 }
	name = "[color=yellow]Willem[/color] Schouten"
	startdate = {
		[color=yellow]day = 13
		month = january[/color]
		year = 16[color=limegreen]15
[/color]	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 16[color=limegreen]18[/color]
	}
	rank = 7
	movement = 5
	fire = 0
	shock = 0
	siege = 0
	dormant = no
}

I can only find evidence of him sailing in 1615 when he circumnavigated the globe with Jacob Le Maire.

edit: put in suggested changes

 

[unmerged(40707)]

June, 14th 1615 to be precise for the startdate.

And deathdate could be year = 1618.

 

[Garbon]

historicalleader = {
		category = explorer
		id = { type = 6 id = 63002 }
		name = "Adriaen Block"
		startdate = { year = 1611 }
		deathdate = { 
			month = july
			year = 1614 
		}
		rank = 9
		movement = 3
		fire = 2
		shock = 2 
                location = 87 
}

Here's a mock-up of Adriaen Block from EP with a few modifications made based on info from wiki article.