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I agree with the first CoA even if I don't know if it is better or not, more historical or not, than the Habsburg lion. As for the second one I believe it shouldn't be implemented as its use would be limited to the time span from 1477 to 1517, when Burgundy is going to be inherited by the Spanish line.YodaMaster said:Another round for Austrian CoA...
From this page (already mentioned here), I saw red lion only for Rodolphe Ier (in French) (1218-1291).
Beginning with Albert I (1248-1308), CoA of Duchy of Austria is used.
I suggest to use this CoA in 1419.
After marriage of Maximilian I with Mary of Burgundy (if it happens), CoA will change to Austria + Burgundy (as seen in same page for Maximilian I)
This shield will be named habBurgundy. It will be used at start of 1520 and 1648 scenarios and included in this event:
Code:#(1477) The Marriage with Mary of Burgundy event = { id = 3178 trigger = { NOT = { vassal = { country = BUR country = HAB } } #if it happens, Burgundy won't be inherited by Spain but she'll continue to use Spanish kings exists = BUR OR = { event = 3597 #BUR: The marriage of Mary of Burgundy event = 20047 #BUR: The marriage of Mary of Burgundy (no France, ENG won the HYW) } } random = no country = HAB name = "EVENTNAME3178" #The Habsburg inheritance of Burgundy desc = "EVENTHIST3178" #-# date = { day = 19 month = August year = 1477 } offset = 10 deathdate = { day = 19 month = September year = 1477 } action_a = { name = "ACTIONNAME3178A" #The destiny of Low Countries is in our hands command = { type = vassal which = BUR } command = { type = DIP which = 3 value = 60 } [COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = flagname which = Burgundy }[/COLOR] command = { type = trigger which = 179093 } #HAB: The alliance with Burgundy } }
No change for flag.
Any thought?
Quick answer! 
(go to bugs thread and see what I've prepared especially for you and take your time )
No problem for discarding the whole thing but if only I was able to find some reliable information about the red lion... It can't be seen in Habsburg Emperors CoAs after 1291. Strange...
(go to bugs thread and see what I've prepared especially for you and take your time )No problem for discarding the whole thing but if only I was able to find some reliable information about the red lion... It can't be seen in Habsburg Emperors CoAs after 1291. Strange...
YodaMaster said:Quick answer!
No problem for discarding the whole thing but if only I was able to find some reliable information about the red lion... It can't be seen in Habsburg Emperors CoAs after 1291. Strange...
from what I found, the COA was a single headed eagle on black background and in 1556 under Ferdinand I , he introduced a 2 headed eagle
like this
http://help.com/wiki/Image:Quaterionenadler_David_de_Negker.jpg
Wasn't the eagle only intended to represent the different status (beginning with Sigismund of Luxemburg):
single headed = King of Romans (elected but not yet crowned)
double headed = Emperor (crowned)
single headed = King of Romans (elected but not yet crowned)
double headed = Emperor (crowned)
YodaMaster said:
actually on second thoughts, we should not use the HRE emblems at all in EU2 , but use the austrian ones
its more accurate because we can never gaurantee an austrian will be HRE,
That's why mandead proposed to use tricolor Austrian flag even in 1419. I could redo 1786 flag according to posted flag but what about already submitted Austrian flag event by Bordic and especially its description?
And mandead proposed the use of Austrian CoA instead of red lion from 1419 too.
And mandead proposed the use of Austrian CoA instead of red lion from 1419 too.
YodaMaster said:
IMO we should use the state flag and NOT the civil flag as per
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Austrian_flags
In the case of Karl it really is not a personal union per se, as he held the whole enchilada as, as close to a single political unit as there was for the era. Even with Austria having a "governor" so to speak it was no different for the Netherlands who had the same kind of arrangement but in game terms are considered to be Spanish territory etc.YodaMaster said:
But it is only for a relatively short period of time. It only makes sense for a human player to absorb Austria or vice versa because the AI can't really be trusted to do a good job with releasing it historically.
For most of the personal union' in the game it would probably be better to have a human player just absorb the other nation unless the union was for a very short time. But England for instance should just absorb Hannover, but should not absorb HOL...
Well I believe we should remove my suggested event as much as the HAB_Lorraine CoA and flag in case we adopt it since 1419. The Habsburg-Lorraine CoA would be a minor change which can be ignored.YodaMaster said:
The flag here is effectively too much little flag change to be represented by a dedicated event imo.
CoA change is fine to me. Only desc of the event could be tweaked:
"Being the elder son and successor of Maria Theresia, heir to the Habsburg domains, and Franz, former Duke of Lorraine and Grand Duke of Tuscany, whose title he also received, Joseph II established the new line of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine to rule over Austria."
With only action_a: "OK"
It is a dynasty change and CoA change is "allowed" in this case.
And about Imperial flag, we could test for each Austrian monarch before 1786 if he is Emperor or not. Three sets of events:
1) the first day of the reign. Emperor = yes => Imperial Graphic set
2) the first day of the reign. Emperor = no => Austrian Graphic set
3) during the reign (startdate until deathdate with offset = 30 for example). Emperor = yes => Imperial Graphic set
And we could use condition(s) in triggers to avoid spamming if previous monarch was Emperor and next one is elected too.
The default hab set will be Austrian.
Any thought?
"Being the elder son and successor of Maria Theresia, heir to the Habsburg domains, and Franz, former Duke of Lorraine and Grand Duke of Tuscany, whose title he also received, Joseph II established the new line of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine to rule over Austria."
With only action_a: "OK"
It is a dynasty change and CoA change is "allowed" in this case.
And about Imperial flag, we could test for each Austrian monarch before 1786 if he is Emperor or not. Three sets of events:
1) the first day of the reign. Emperor = yes => Imperial Graphic set
2) the first day of the reign. Emperor = no => Austrian Graphic set
3) during the reign (startdate until deathdate with offset = 30 for example). Emperor = yes => Imperial Graphic set
And we could use condition(s) in triggers to avoid spamming if previous monarch was Emperor and next one is elected too.
The default hab set will be Austrian.
Any thought?
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YodaMaster said:
agree as long as it is not cumbersome
I still think the austrian flag should be the state flag of red-white-red with black eagle as the one withiut the eagle is the national flag and nationality did not exist in 1419 etc
Well I believe we can remove it as well, as the Habsburg-Lorraine CoA will be too specific and since we are going to remove the Habsburg lion there is no longer consistency.YodaMaster said:
That is even more complicated than my events about the Farnese flag.
I support it.
Bordic said:That is even more complicated than my events about the Farnese flag.
Here is first draft for first two Austrian monarchs:
Code:
#Reserved 179500-179599
#Albrecht V
event = {
id = 179502
trigger = {
emperor = yes
NOT = { flag = [Imperialflag] }
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME179502" #The Imperial flag
desc = "EVENTHIST179502"
#-#Our monarch has been elected Emperor. Our armies will use the Imperial flag as banner.
date = { year = 1419 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 26 month = october year = 1439 }
action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = setflag which = [Imperialflag] }
command = { type = flagname which = "Imperial" }
command = { }
}
}
#Friedrich V
event = {
id = 179503
trigger = {
emperor = yes
NOT = { flag = [Imperialflag] }
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME179502" #The Imperial flag
desc = "EVENTHIST179502"
#-#Our monarch has been elected Emperor. Our armies will use the Imperial flag as banner.
date = { day = 27 month = october year = 1439 }
action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = setflag which = [Imperialflag] }
command = { type = flagname which = "Imperial" }
command = { }
}
}
event = {
id = 179504
trigger = {
emperor = no
flag = [Imperialflag]
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME179504" #Loss of Imperial Title
desc = "EVENTHIST179504"
#-#Our monarch has not been elected Emperor. As a consequence, our armies will no longer use the Imperial flag as banner.
date = { day = 27 month = october year = 1439 }
action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = clrflag which = [Imperialflag] }
command = { type = flagname which = "" }
command = { }
}
}
event = {
id = 179505
trigger = {
emperor = yes
NOT = { flag = [Imperialflag] }
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME179502" #The Imperial flag
desc = "EVENTHIST179502"
#-#Our monarch has been elected Emperor. Our armies will use the Imperial flag as banner.
date = { day = 27 month = october year = 1439 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 19 month = august year = 1493 }
action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = setflag which = [Imperialflag] }
command = { type = flagname which = "Imperial" }
command = { }
}
}Any comment?
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Since the Hungarian Emperor Sigismund dies on 9th December 1437, you can directly start from this date.
As for the last event checking the imperial status of Austria, I think we can end the sequence when Joseph II becomes ruler on 29th November 1780 and will adopt the default flag of Austria.
IMO all events with a single date should be tuned on the day after the one in which the monarch goes to the throne according to monarchs.hab
EDIT: and all events with date/deathdate should be tuned in order to begin the day after ruler's first day on the throne and to end the day before the next monarch is in charge.
I remember some particular problems in the correct calculation of the offset in the events changing the Parma Farnese flag.
As for the last event checking the imperial status of Austria, I think we can end the sequence when Joseph II becomes ruler on 29th November 1780 and will adopt the default flag of Austria.
IMO all events with a single date should be tuned on the day after the one in which the monarch goes to the throne according to monarchs.hab
EDIT: and all events with date/deathdate should be tuned in order to begin the day after ruler's first day on the throne and to end the day before the next monarch is in charge.
I remember some particular problems in the correct calculation of the offset in the events changing the Parma Farnese flag.
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And we have a problem in Death of Emperor Sigmund events. If Austria has to break vasselage, relations with other countries will suffer a lot...
In this example, Austria is vassal of Bohemia.
december, 8th (day = 7) 1437:
After HAB_179067 (day = 8):
=> -50 with all Catholic countries and see HAB line... and don't worry about ORL.
And I made a test with breakvassal command as first command in HAB_179067. Result:
All countries involved in relations commands after the breakvassal command are still at 200 (logical: -50 + 50 = 0 => no change)
Conclusions:
1) breaking vasselage by event has same effect as in game: -50 relations with all countries of same religion.
2) We must be sure breakvassal command will be before any relations command in events. Otherwise, effect of relation command could be not as high as expected.
3) For Death of Sigmund sequence, we need +100 for relations except in first event where Austria doesnt "need" to break vasselage and +50 is sufficient.
Am I right for point 3?
Bordic?
And Norrefeldt could add this to our little Bible.
In this example, Austria is vassal of Bohemia.
december, 8th (day = 7) 1437:
Code:
diplomacy = {
relation = { tag = ENG value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = FRA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = HAB value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = POR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SWE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TUR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = VEN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MIN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = POL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BAY value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KLE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BOH value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KNI value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = DAN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = GEN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = HAN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = HEL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = HES value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = HUN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KOL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LAT value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LOR value = 200.000 access = yes }
relation = { tag = MAM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MOR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MLO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MOL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PAP value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PFA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SAC value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SCO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = STE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SUD value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TOS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TUN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = WAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = WUR value = 200.000 access = yes }
relation = { tag = SPR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = NAV value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = GEO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BRA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SHL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PSK value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ARG value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BRI value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BUR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = NOR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PRO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = GRA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MEC value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BRE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = POM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = GEL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = FRI value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = OLD value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MAI value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MUN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BOU value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LUX value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = CAS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = NVG value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = RYA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LIT value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TVE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PRM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MOS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MAN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BYZ value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SER value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BOS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ALB value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TRE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TIM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = AKK value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = QAR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = CYP value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = CAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ETH value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ATH value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KAR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = XHO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = STR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BEA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = CON value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LEI value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LIV value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MST value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PAM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SEV value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TYR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ULS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MUS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MER value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PIR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = NAT value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = REB value = 200.000 }
}After HAB_179067 (day = 8):
Code:
diplomacy = {
relation = { tag = ENG value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = FRA value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = HAB value = 50.000 }
relation = { tag = POR value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = SWE value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = TUR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = VEN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MIN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = POL value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BAY value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = KLE value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BOH value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KNI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = DAN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = GEN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = HAN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = HEL value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = HES value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = HUN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KOL value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LAT value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LOR value = 150.000 access = yes }
relation = { tag = MAM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MOR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MLO value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MOL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PAP value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = PFA value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = SAC value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = SCO value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = STE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SUD value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TOS value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = TUN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = WAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = WUR value = 150.000 access = yes }
relation = { tag = SPR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = NAV value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = GEO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BRA value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = SHL value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = PSK value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ARG value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BRI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BUR value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = NOR value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = PRO value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = GRA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MEC value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BRE value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = POM value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = GEL value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = FRI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = OLD value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MAI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MUN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = ORL value = -50.000 }
relation = { tag = BOU value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LUX value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = CAS value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = NVG value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = RYA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LIT value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = TVE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PRM value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MOS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MAN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BYZ value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SER value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BOS value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = ALB value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = TRE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TIM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = AKK value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = QAR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = CYP value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = CAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ETH value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ATH value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = KAR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = XHO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = STR value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BEA value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = CON value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LEI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LIV value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MST value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = PAM value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = SEV value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TYR value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = ULS value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MUS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MER value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PIR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = NAT value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = REB value = 200.000 }
}And I made a test with breakvassal command as first command in HAB_179067. Result:
Code:
diplomacy = {
relation = { tag = ENG value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = FRA value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = HAB value = 50.000 }
relation = { tag = POR value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = SWE value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = TUR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = VEN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MIN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = POL value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BAY value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KLE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BOH value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KNI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = DAN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = GEN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = HAN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = HEL value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = HES value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = HUN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KOL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LAT value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LOR value = 200.000 access = yes }
relation = { tag = MAM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MOR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MLO value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MOL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PAP value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = PFA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SAC value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SCO value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = STE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SUD value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TOS value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = TUN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = WAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = WUR value = 200.000 access = yes }
relation = { tag = SPR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = KAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = NAV value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = GEO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BRA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SHL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PSK value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ARG value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BRI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BUR value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = NOR value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = PRO value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = GRA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MEC value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BRE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = POM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = GEL value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = FRI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = OLD value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MAI value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MUN value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ORL value = -50.000 }
relation = { tag = BOU value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LUX value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = CAS value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = NVG value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = RYA value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = LIT value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = TVE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PRM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MOS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MAN value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = BYZ value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = SER value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BOS value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = ALB value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = TRE value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TIM value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = AKK value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = QAR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = CYP value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = CAL value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ETH value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ATH value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = KAR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = XHO value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = STR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = BEA value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = CON value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LEI value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = LIV value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MST value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = PAM value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = SEV value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = TYR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = ULS value = 150.000 }
relation = { tag = MUS value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = MER value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = PIR value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = NAT value = 200.000 }
relation = { tag = REB value = 200.000 }
}Conclusions:
1) breaking vasselage by event has same effect as in game: -50 relations with all countries of same religion.
2) We must be sure breakvassal command will be before any relations command in events. Otherwise, effect of relation command could be not as high as expected.
3) For Death of Sigmund sequence, we need +100 for relations except in first event where Austria doesnt "need" to break vasselage and +50 is sufficient.
Am I right for point 3?
Bordic?
And Norrefeldt could add this to our little Bible.
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And if Hungary disappears before 1437? Always possible...Bordic said:
This was my intention... I still think changing CoA in this case makes sense too.Bordic said:
Why? I see no problem with the exact startdate. Events will always fire after new rulers for the same date. And it is easier to track in this case.Bordic said:
Agreed for date.Bordic said:
And you're right about offset, event fired in february 1438 in my test (more than 30 days after election). To be sure, we could reduce enddate to three months before death.
I don't wanted to use monarch in trigger but it could be the safety solution.
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I was thinking of personal union "a la EU3"... No possibility for junior member to do something but senior don't have control over the junior partner and that's why I said it could not be sufficient.bobtdwarf said:
We could do it by event but we would have a real problem for provinces not included in revolt.txt for released country. Seceding provinces could not even work (where will be the limit? Spain could secede whole Europe to Austria but what happens if some of the provinces were Spanish before and we can't track which provinces were Austrian before neither). Not an option.bobtdwarf said:
We have to live with EU2 imperfections. In some cases, vassalization could be affordable but certainly not for Austria and Spain. This is too dangerous for gamebalance if Spain DA Austria (or the other way around) before vassalization broken by event some years after (and problem if we have to release the country as mentioned above). No solution is really satisfying. And remember solution to this problem is not included in EU3 neither but this is another story.bobtdwarf said: