AGC & EEP: Fantasy German Unification

unmerged(28491) · Jan 10, 2005

I would think that that Karl V would choose to make the old Imperial capital his home

Rome ?

Yehaw Roman Empire forever !!!!

The "give Hungary to your brother" option is a very good idea I will add it to my personal vanilla expansion events ...

I also have "collected" events to simulate 30YW and the reformation of the HRE and modded them to fit into one event chain. I have tested them and they are all working. Note that I have not yet tryed to change's Austria's tag to HEI or GER because I lack events monarchs and leaders which make sense for an Habsburg HRE and neither have the time nor the energy to change copy all HAB events and change tag and ID (beside some HAB events would make no sense if the HRE is unified)

event = {

id = 1000015
trigger = {
OR = {
event = 1000032
AND = {
event = 1000099
owned = { province = 302 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 304 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 305 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 306 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 310 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 311 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 312 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 313 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 331 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 332 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 333 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 336 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 347 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 348 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 349 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 372 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 373 data = -1 }
}
}
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "The Creation of A United German Empire"
desc = "A power has finally risen that will unite the small squabbling German states into one powerful empire. This will dramatically reshape the balance of power in Europe and bring about inevitable conflict. German militarism is a spectre that will haunt Europe for many years to come."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1820 }

action_a = {
name = "Force the Nobles to recognize Imperial hegemony"
command = { type = add_countryculture which = italian }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = swiss }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = dutch }
command = { type = stability value = 6 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 2 }
command = { type = treasury value = 250 }
command = { type = vp value = 250 }
command = { type = addcore which = 302 }
command = { type = addcore which = 304 }
command = { type = addcore which = 305 }
command = { type = addcore which = 306 }
command = { type = addcore which = 310 }
command = { type = addcore which = 311 }
command = { type = addcore which = 312 }
command = { type = addcore which = 313 }
command = { type = addcore which = 327 }
command = { type = addcore which = 331 }
command = { type = addcore which = 332 }
command = { type = addcore which = 333 }
command = { type = addcore which = 336 }
command = { type = addcore which = 346 }
command = { type = addcore which = 347 }
command = { type = addcore which = 348 }
command = { type = addcore which = 349 }
command = { type = addcore which = 350 }
command = { type = addcore which = 351 }
command = { type = addcore which = 369 }
command = { type = addcore which = 371 }
command = { type = addcore which = 372 }
command = { type = addcore which = 373 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1612 }

command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000043 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000042 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000032 }
}

action_b = { #We will continue as we have always continued...#
name = "Let Us found the Empire, but keep our national identity!"
command = { type = stability value = 6 }
command = { type = badboy value = -5 }
command = { type = addcore which = 302 }
command = { type = addcore which = 304 }
command = { type = addcore which = 305 }
command = { type = addcore which = 306 }
command = { type = addcore which = 310 }
command = { type = addcore which = 311 }
command = { type = addcore which = 312 }
command = { type = addcore which = 313 }
command = { type = addcore which = 331 }
command = { type = addcore which = 332 }
command = { type = addcore which = 333 }
command = { type = addcore which = 336 }
command = { type = addcore which = 346 }
command = { type = addcore which = 347 }
command = { type = addcore which = 348 }
command = { type = addcore which = 349 }
command = { type = addcore which = 372 }
command = { type = addcore which = 373 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 327 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 350 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 369 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 371 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 327 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 350 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 351 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 369 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 371 value = 1 }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 315 value = german }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 328 value = german }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 330 value = german }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000043 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000042 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000032 }
}
}

event = {

id = 1000016
trigger = {
event = 1000015
}
random = no
name = "Claims on the West"
desc = "Historically, Western 'Germany' was in fact considered to be part of the Lotharingian Crown within the Holy Roman Empire, and not the Kingdom of Germany, despite their obviously german culture. Since Lothar's ancient throne is dead, we may claim these provinces to be ours!"
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1464 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1820 }

action_a = {
name = "They are part of the Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 334 }
command = { type = addcore which = 335 }
command = { type = addcore which = 343 }
command = { type = addcore which = 344 }
command = { type = addcore which = 345 }
command = { type = addcore which = 374 }
command = { type = addcore which = 377 }
}

action_b = {
name = "We do not want these provinces"
command = { type = badboy value = -3 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = 100 }
}
}

event = {

id = 1000017
trigger = {
event = 1000015
}
random = no
name = "Claims on Italy"
desc = "The since Otto the Great the Crown of Italy was linked to the Kingdom of Germany, therefor the Emperor has a claim over the Reich's Italian holdings. Shall we enforce them ? "
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1464 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1820 }

action_a = {
name = "They are part of the Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 405 }
command = { type = addcore which = 404 }
command = { type = addcore which = 403 }
command = { type = addcore which = 389 }
command = { type = addcore which = 402 }
command = { type = addcore which = 401 }
command = { type = addcore which = 400 }
}

action_b = {
name = "We do not want these provinces"
command = { type = badboy value = -3 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 100 }
}
}

#The Imperial Reform#

event = {
id = 1000099
random = no
country = HAB
name = "The Imperial Reform"
desc = "In 1495, an attempt was made at a Reichstag in the city of Worms to give the disintegrating Holy Roman Empire a new structure, commonly refered to as Imperial Reform or Reichsreform in German. The reform produced four things. The Eternal Land Piece established a single body of Imperial Law. The Imperial Chamber Court established a supreme court to govern that body of law. The Imperial Circle Estates established authorities for the execution of that body of law. The Imperial Regiment was intended to eventually replace the Reichstag in further legislative capacities, but never really caught on. Whether this can be seen as a success or failure is a subject of debate, however it did end many of the quarrels within the Empire until the outbreak of the Thirty Years War."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1495 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1495 }

action_a ={
name = "Reform the Imperial System"
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = 5 }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
}
action_b ={
name = "Adopt Partial Reform"
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = 2 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
}
action_c ={
name = "Abandon the Imperial System"
command = { type = trigger which = 1000098 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 2 }
command = { type = addcore which = 344 }
command = { type = addcore which = 345 }
command = { type = addcore which = 346 }
command = { type = addcore which = 347 }
command = { type = addcore which = 348 }
command = { type = addcore which = 349 }
command = { type = addcore which = 372 }
command = { type = addcore which = 373 }
command = { type = addcore which = 314 }
command = { type = addcore which = 315 }
command = { type = addcore which = 328 }
command = { type = addcore which = 329 }
command = { type = addcore which = 330 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000015 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000032 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = HAN value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = HES value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = PFA value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = SAC value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = FRC value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = BRE value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = SHL value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = KLE value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = KOL value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = BAY value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = WUR value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -400 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000098
random = no
country = BRA
name = "The Imperial Reform"
desc = "In 1495, an attempt was made at a Reichstag in the city of Worms to give the disintegrating Holy Roman Empire a new structure, commonly refered to as Imperial Reform or Reichsreform in German. The reform produced four things. The Eternal Land Piece established a single body of Imperial Law. The Imperial Chamber Court established a supreme court to govern that body of law. The Imperial Circle Estates established authorities for the execution of that body of law. The Imperial Regiment was intended to eventually replace the Reichstag in further legislative capacities, but never really caught on. However, Austria has chosen to abandon the Imperial System so this did not actually happen."
style = 1

action_a ={
name = "We are free from Austrian power!"
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 2 }
command = { type = addcore which = 302 }
command = { type = addcore which = 304 }
command = { type = addcore which = 305 }
command = { type = addcore which = 310 }
command = { type = addcore which = 314 }
command = { type = addcore which = 329 }
command = { type = addcore which = 331 }
command = { type = addcore which = 332 }
command = { type = addcore which = 347 }
}
}

############################
### THE THIRTY YEARS WAR ###
############################

event = {
id = 1000032
trigger = {
NOT = {
religion = protestant
religion = reformed
}
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "The Thirty Years War"
desc = "In 1618, the religious tension that began with Martin Luther reached its apogee. The people of Bohemia rejected the authority of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand of Austria who was suppressing Protestantism in Bohemia. Though he died the next year and was succeeded by Ferdinand II, the conflict he began would tear Germany to pieces. The Bohemians acquired assistance from the Protestant princes of the Northern German states and the conflict soon erupted into full scale warfare. Though the Habsburgs were able to maintain the upper hand during the early stage of the conflict, the intervention of first Denmark and then Sweden in Northern Germany led to several devastating defeats. By the mid-1630s, France decided to enter the fray. However, France attacked Austria not over questions of religion, but purely out of self-interest. Spain later became involved to assist Austria. The war dragged on until the Peace of Westphalia in 1648."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1618 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1618 }

action_a ={
name = "We shall force Bohemian acquiescence!"
command = { type = addcore which = 314 }
command = { type = addcore which = 315 }
command = { type = addcore which = 328 }
command = { type = addcore which = 329 }
command = { type = addcore which = 330 }
command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = -400 }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = badboy value = 5 }
command = { type = revolt which = 314 }
command = { type = revolt which = 314 }
command = { type = revolt which = 314 }
command = { type = revolt which = 314 }
command = { type = revolt which = 315 }
command = { type = revolt which = 315 }
command = { type = revolt which = 315 }
command = { type = revolt which = 315 }
command = { type = revolt which = 328 }
command = { type = revolt which = 328 }
command = { type = revolt which = 328 }
command = { type = revolt which = 328 }
command = { type = revolt which = 329 }
command = { type = revolt which = 329 }
command = { type = revolt which = 329 }
command = { type = revolt which = 329 }
command = { type = revolt which = 330 }
command = { type = revolt which = 330 }
command = { type = revolt which = 330 }
command = { type = revolt which = 330 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000015 }
}
action_b ={
name = "We shall let the Bohemians in peace"
command = { type = independence which = BOH }
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -200 }
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000033 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000037 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000039 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000041 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000042 }
}
}

#------------------#
#-- DANISH PHASE --#
#------------------#

event = {
id = 1000033
trigger = {
owned = { province = 309 data = DAN }
event = 1000032
}
random = no
country = DAN
name = "The Thirty Years War"
desc = "In 1618, the religious tension that began with Martin Luther reached its apogee. The people of Bohemia rejected the authority of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand of Austria who was suppressing Protestantism in Bohemia. The Bohemians acquired assistance from the Protestant princes of the Northern German states and the conflict soon erupted into full scale warfare. Though the Habsburgs were able to maintain the upper hand during the early stage of the conflict, the intervention of first Denmark and then Sweden in Northern Germany led to several devastating defeats. As Denmark, you must defend Jutland. If Austria is able to take and hold Jutland for a while (up to three months depending on offset trigger), you will lose your cores and possessions in Northern Germany."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1625 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1625 }

action_a ={
name = "We shall wage war to defend Protestantism!"
command = { type = addcore which = 304 }
command = { type = addcore which = 305 }
command = { type = addcore which = 336 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 400 }
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = 400 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = 500 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = HAB value = 276 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000034 }
}
action_b ={
name = "We shall leave the Germans to defend themselves"
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000035 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000034
random = no
country = HAB
name = "The Danes Enter the War"
desc = "The Danes have entered the war. If you can capture Jutland for a while (up to three months depending on offset trigger) before 1648, you can force the Danish out of the conflict, remove their core province gains, and end this aspect of the Thirty Years War."
style = 1

action_a ={
name = "BRING IT ON!!"
command = { type = addcore which = 309 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = DAN value = 276 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000035
trigger = {
event = 1000033
control = { province = 309 data = HAB }
}
random = no
country = DAN
name = "The Peace of Lubeck"
desc = "When Denmark entered the war in 1625, it assumed that the English and Dutch would soon follow the Danish lead. However, they had their own problems to address and declined to participate. Tilly defeated the Danish army and invaded Jutland in 1626. King Christian had finally had enough in 1629 after sinking the majority of his personal fortune into the war and nearly bankrupting his kingdom. The terms of the treaty forced him to abandon his claims to Northern Germany and make a pledge of non-interference in the affairs of the Holy Roman Emperor."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1625 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1648 }

action_a ={
name = "We must accept this peace"
command = { type = removecore which = 304 }
command = { type = removecore which = 305 }
command = { type = removecore which = 336 }
command = { type = independence which = POM }
command = { type = independence which = MEC }
command = { type = independence which = BRE }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000036 }
}
action_b ={
name = "We shall fight to the very last man!"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = badboy value = 10 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 48 value = 5 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000036
random = no
country = HAB
name = "Victory over Denmark!"
desc = "The Danes have been driven from Northern Germany. Good Job!"
style = 1

action_a ={
name = "GREAT!"
command = { type = removecore which = 309 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
}
}

#-------------------#
#-- SWEDISH PHASE --#
#-------------------#

event = {
id = 1000037
trigger = { event = 1000032 }
random = no
country = SWE
name = "The Thirty Years War"
desc = "In 1618, the religious tension that began with Martin Luther reached its apogee. The people of Bohemia rejected the authority of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand of Austria who was suppressing Protestantism in Bohemia. The Bohemians acquired assistance from the Protestant princes of the Northern German states and the conflict soon erupted into full scale warfare. Though the Habsburgs were able to maintain the upper hand during the early stage of the conflict, the intervention of first Denmark and then Sweden in Northern Germany led to several devastating defeats. As Sweden, you must attack the Austrians directly. If you able to capture and hold Vienna for a while (up to three months depending on offset trigger), you will immediately win the war."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1630 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1630 }

action_a ={
name = "We shall wage war to defend Protestantism!"
command = { type = addcore which = 302 }
command = { type = addcore which = 304 }
command = { type = addcore which = 305 }
command = { type = addcore which = 351 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = 400 }
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = 400 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = 500 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = HAB value = 216 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000038 }
}
action_b ={
name = "We shall leave the Germans to defend themselves"
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000038
random = no
country = HAB
name = "The Swedes Enter the War"
desc = "The Swedes have entered the war. If they are able to capture and hold Vienna for a while (up to three months depending on offset trigger), you will immediately lose the war."
style = 1

action_a ={
name = "BRING IT ON!!"
command = { type = addcore which = 302 }
command = { type = addcore which = 304 }
command = { type = addcore which = 305 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = SWE value = 240 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000039
trigger = { event = 1000032 }
random = no
country = FRA
name = "The Thirty Years War"
desc = "The French entry into the Thirty Years War was one not motivated by religious passion but pure greed. Louis XIV coveted Alsace/Lorraine and sought to expand his empire up to the edge of the Rhine. In 1635, France entered the war with vigor. They would play a deciding factor in the outcome of the conflict. Had it not been for the Fronde, France may have exacted a much more harsh peace upon the beleagured Habsburg Emperor. As France, if you capture and hold Vienna for a while (up to three months depending on offset trigger) and you will immediately win the war."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1635 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1635 }

action_a ={
name = "We shall wage war on the Habsburgs!"
command = { type = addcore which = 374 }
command = { type = addcore which = 375 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -400 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = 400 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = HAB value = 156 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000040 }
}
action_b ={
name = "We shall leave the Habsburgs to their troubles"
command = { type = relation which = BOH value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000040
random = no
country = HAB
name = "The French Enter the War"
desc = "The French have entered the war. If they capture and hold Vienna for a while (up to three months depending on offset trigger) and you will immediately lose the Thirty Years War."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1635 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1635 }

action_a ={
name = "BRING IT ON!!"
command = { type = addcore which = 374 }
command = { type = addcore which = 375 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = FRA value = 156 }
}
}

#------------------------------#
#-- The Treaty of Westphalia --#
#------------------------------#

event = {
id = 1000041
trigger = {
event = 1000032
OR = {
control = { province = 351 data = SWE }
control = { province = 351 data = FRA }
}
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "The Treaty of Westphalia"
desc = "The Thirty Years War is over. With minor exceptions, the territorial settlement reached in Westphalia remained in place until the French Revolution. For the most part, the treaty ended wars of religion in early modern Europe. The Treaty of Westphalia reinforced the strong autonomous traditions of the German states, which emerged from the long nightmare with more independence from the Holy Roman Empire, which was considerably weakened. Member states could carry out their own foreign policy, though they could not form alliances against the Empire. The Habsburg dynasty's dream of forging a centralized empire of states fully obedient ot the emperor's will had failed. Your early loss has cost you Bohemian cores and improvements in Austria."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1618 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1648 }

action_a ={
name = "We must accept this peace"
command = { type = removecore which = 374 }
command = { type = removecore which = 375 }
command = { type = removecore which = 302 }
command = { type = removecore which = 304 }
command = { type = removecore which = 305 }
command = { type = removecore which = 309 }
command = { type = removecore which = 314 }
command = { type = removecore which = 315 }
command = { type = removecore which = 328 }
command = { type = removecore which = 329 }
command = { type = removecore which = 330 }
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = badboy value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 100 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000042 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000043 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000044 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000015 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000045 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000042
trigger = { event = 1000032 }
random = no
country = HAB
name = "The Treaty of Westphalia"
desc = "The Thirty Years War is over. With minor exceptions, the territorial settlement reached in Westphalia remained in place until the French Revolution. For the most part, the treaty ended wars of religion in early modern Europe. The Treaty of Westphalia reinforced the strong autonomous traditions of the German states, which emerged from the long nightmare with more independence from the Holy Roman Empire, which was considerably weakened. Member states could carry out their own foreign policy, though they could not form alliances against the Empire. The Habsburg dynasty's dream of forging a centralized empire of states fully obedient ot the emperor's will had failed. However, Habsburg control over Austria and Bohemia was greatly strengthened."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1648 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1648 }

action_a ={
name = "We must accept this peace"
command = { type = inherit which = BOH }
command = { type = removecore which = 374 }
command = { type = removecore which = 375 }
command = { type = removecore which = 302 }
command = { type = removecore which = 304 }
command = { type = removecore which = 305 }
command = { type = removecore which = 309 }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = badboy value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 100 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 327 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 350 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 369 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 371 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 327 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 350 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 351 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 369 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 371 value = 1 }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 315 value = german }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 328 value = german }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 330 value = german }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000043 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000044 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000015 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000045 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000043
random = no
country = FRA
name = "The Treaty of Westphalia"
desc = "The Thirty Years War is over. With minor exceptions, the territorial settlement reached in Westphalia remained in place until the French Revolution. For the most part, the treaty ended wars of religion in early modern Europe. The Treaty of Westphalia reinforced the strong autonomous traditions of the German states, which emerged from the long nightmare with more independence from the Holy Roman Empire, which was considerably weakened. Member states could carry out their own foreign policy, though they could not form alliances against the Empire. The Habsburg dynasty's dream of forging a centralized empire of states fully obedient ot the emperor's will had failed."
style = 1

action_a ={
name = "We must accept this peace"
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = removecore which = 374 }
command = { type = removecore which = 375 }
command = { type = badboy value = -5 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 100 }
}
action_b ={
name = "We shall fight to the very last man!"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = badboy value = 10 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 5 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000044
random = no
country = SWE
name = "The Treaty of Westphalia"
desc = "The Thirty Years War is over. With minor exceptions, the territorial settlement reached in Westphalia remained in place until the French Revolution. For the most part, the treaty ended wars of religion in early modern Europe. The Treaty of Westphalia reinforced the strong autonomous traditions of the German states, which emerged from the long nightmare with more independence from the Holy Roman Empire, which was considerably weakened. Member states could carry out their own foreign policy, though they could not form alliances against the Empire. The Habsburg dynasty's dream of forging a centralized empire of states fully obedient ot the emperor's will had failed."
style = 1

action_a ={
name = "We must accept this peace"
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = badboy value = -5 }
command = { type = removecore which = 302 }
command = { type = removecore which = 304 }
command = { type = removecore which = 305 }
command = { type = removecore which = 351 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = DAN value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 100 }
}
action_b ={
name = "We shall fight to the very last man!"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = badboy value = 10 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 48 value = 5 }
}
}

event = {
id = 1000045
trigger = {
event = 1000032
NOT = {
war = { country = HAB country = SWE }
war = { country = HAB country = FRA }
war = { country = HAB country = HOL }
war = { country = HAB country = SPA }
war = { country = HAB country = DAN }
war = { country = HAB country = ENG }
war = { country = HAB country = POL }
}
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "*The Habsburgs Triumph"
desc = "*After the great successes of the 1620's, the Imperial ambition of Ferdinand II seemed to stumble after the Swedish intervention supported by France and the United Provinces. After Breitenfeld and the seizure of Munich, the Habsburg position seemed to be falling apart until Lützen restored the balance in Germany. In 1634, the Swedish defeat at Nördlingen put Ferdinand back on the offensive. The Emperor took advantage of mutinies in the Scandinavian armies to impose a favourable peace settlement on Saxony and Brandenburg. If the Emperor had managed total victory, he might have been able to force a Treaty of Maastricht very favourable to the Habsburgs. In addition, he may very well have been able to convoke the Electors at Ratisbonne and force them to accept a new Imperial Constitution recognising the Habsburgs' title as hereditary and establishing a strong Empire dominated by Vienna."
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1648 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1648 }

action_a = {
name = "The Holy Roman Empire shall be reborn!"
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = vp value = 1000 }
command = { type = treasury value = 500 }
command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 2 }
command = { type = dynastic which = SPA }
command = { type = alliance which = SPA }

}
}

While they are working these events would still need balancing (conditions and results) and the ID numbers would have to be changed but they are an example how I imagine the Habsburgs rise to power in Germany.

unmerged(36449) · Jan 10, 2005

Ar-Pharazôn[GE] said:
Rome ?

Yehaw Roman Empire forever !!!!

The "give Hungary to your brother" option is a very good idea I will add it to my personal vanilla expansion events ...

snipped for space.

I was actually referring to Aachen... but Frankfurt would work about as well.

Thanks on the Hungary idea... it just seemed logical.

Will have to take a look in more depth at the events you posted

unmerged(19666) · Jan 10, 2005

yeah they seem pretty good, except for balancing.

unmerged(28491) · Jan 10, 2005

there was no real capital of the HRE. In Aachen the German Kings/Emperors were crowned later in Frankfurt (1562) but they were never capitals of the HRE. Nevertheless I'd say that in the process of forming a united state the Emperor would have to choose a capital and Frankfurt due to it's position in the heart of the Empire would have been a good choice same goes for Mainz while Köln or Aachen are much to far on the western border and thus not a good choice (at least as long France is still powerfull). Also a decision for Frankfurt could have a symbolic meaning further strengthening the King's/Emperor's position during the process of reforming the structure's of the Holy Roman Empire.

central postion of Frankfurt within the HRE --> central position of the Emperor within the HRE's institutions (same idea Luis XIV had in his mind when he build Versailles, look where the King's rooms are placed and you will imeadiatly know it)

Brandenburg/Prussia could also choose Frankfurt as new capital while the Palatinate would probably forced (by their allys) to choose perhaps Aachen or Köln as capital.

unmerged(36449) · Jan 11, 2005

Ar-Pharazôn[GE] said:
there was no real capital of the HRE. In Aachen the German Kings/Emperors were crowned later in Frankfurt (1562) but they were never capitals of the HRE. Nevertheless I'd say that in the process of forming a united state the Emperor would have to choose a capital and Frankfurt due to it's position in the heart of the Empire would have been a good choice same goes for Mainz while Köln or Aachen are much to far on the western border and thus not a good choice (at least as long France is still powerfull). Also a decision for Frankfurt could have a symbolic meaning further strengthening the King's/Emperor's position during the process of reforming the structure's of the Holy Roman Empire.

central postion of Frankfurt within the HRE --> central position of the Emperor within the HRE's institutions (same idea Luis XIV had in his mind when he build Versailles, look where the King's rooms are placed and you will imeadiatly know it)

Brandenburg/Prussia could also choose Frankfurt as new capital while the Palatinate would probably forced (by their allys) to choose perhaps Aachen or Köln as capital.

as I recall Aachen was Charlemagnes capital... and as first HRE that would technically make it the old imperial capital. Part of the reason that the emperor was crowned there was the symbolism...

unmerged(28491) · Jan 11, 2005

It's right that Aaachen was Charlemagne's favoured city/palatinate (he used many other palatines as his seat during his reign as Emperor) but still it was not his capital in the sense we use the word today. Aachen would realy have symbolism in connection with Charlemagne but as I have mentioned as long as France is not considerably weakened it would be much to dangerous to choose a capital west of the Rhine. Frankfurt has a good geographical location and a connection with the Imperial tradtion due to the fact that the election of the Emperor took place in this city and as I said above since 1562 the Emperor was also crowned in Frankfurt.
"From 855-1792 Frankfurt was the electoral city for the German Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire " source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt

unmerged(11496) · Jan 12, 2005

Ar-Pharazôn[GE] said:
It's right that Aaachen was Charlemagne's favoured city/palatinate (he used many other palatines as his seat during his reign as Emperor) but still it was not his capital in the sense we use the word today. Aachen would realy have symbolism in connection with Charlemagne but as I have mentioned as long as France is not considerably weakened it would be much to dangerous to choose a capital west of the Rhine. Frankfurt has a good geographical location and a connection with the Imperial tradtion due to the fact that the election of the Emperor took place in this city and as I said above since 1562 the Emperor was also crowned in Frankfurt.
"From 855-1792 Frankfurt was the electoral city for the German Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire " source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt

Why not make it a choice, with Frankfurt as A), Aachen as B) and whichever country founds KoG's capitol as C)? Or something to that effect.

unmerged(28491) · Jan 12, 2005

It would be of course a choice but it is important to put the right city on place A because of the AI

. Perhaps if France is weakened, defeated by the HRE or not even existing there would be another event with Aachen as option A if France is still strong I'd suggest to put Frankfurt on place A.

unmerged(6159) · Jan 12, 2005

bobtdwarf said:
see that is a fundimental difference in how I see the "game".

I don't care about balance, history and nations are inherently unbalanced and frankly sometimes not even remotely fair.

Imposing balance, on what was or should I say would be a major shift in the European "balance" of power during the time frames in question would be grossly distorting.

A unified Germany anytime before 1870 would by definition throw Europe off kileter. Suddenly a veritable super state blossoms in Middle Europe where before you have a bunch of squabbling fratricidal postage stamps of countries.

Trying to shackle it so that it was balanced for game play neuters it.

NO-one's really talking about shackling or neutering it. However I think it is gameplay considerations that call for balancing the leader file. If a unified Germany has a ton of great leaders (and again, that's not the situation even if they get every single German leader) they will be extremely powerful and the game will be boring and pointless once the unification is acheived. I personally feel that it's much better to have a bias towards making Germany weaker simply so that the game remains intertesting after unification.

As to the leaders? The people are going to be born anyway. That is not a question. They are still going to have the aptitudes that they historically displayed, that is also not a question. But we now insert the question by attempting to balance this out (same goes for Italy); of what the heck are these ambitious, capable men DOING instead?

Frederick the Great is still going to BE Frederick the Great even if a Bavarian unites the empire, he is still going to have that fire in the belly to achieve some measure of greatness and bring glory to his house and family name.

By neutering Germany for game balance you send Freddie off to the happy farm where he does nothing, maybe raises tulips. Not likely as an outcome considering his personality and known history.

If someone else has united Germany he is almost certainly in exile plotting and conspiring ways to recover his ancestral lands. Perhaps he's working for Elizabeth (that'd be an interesting employer employee relationship

), perhaps he's "gone Turk" as many of his contemporaries did. And who's to say he would have risen to command armies had he not been born crown prince? I have no objections to constructing an alternate history that put Frederick in the leader file of another nation IF Germany is united by a country other than BRA and PRU.

And to reiterate the French example. Not making use of all the leaders that are available (well the best of them anyway) for these unified nations would be as wrong as in a world in which France remained disunited; only making use of the leaders in Orleans for the ahistoric unified France fantasy event.

So using this hypothetical example of an alternate universe where France remained petty states and the fantasy event is unification... you don't have Napoleon, or the Rohans if you united the nation as Orleans, or Bourbanais.

Which is illogical from the known history in our universe. All men of France rallied to the banner of their King, regardless of what part of France they were born.

This part is simply wrong. There are multiple leaders in the game who are of French nationality and are in other countries leader files. Not as many as there are Germans, but plenty none the less. Until the very end of the era nationality was only one of many considerations that determined where senior officers would serve. It was certainly more important for the French than for Germans, Italians, Britons and Swedes.

Anyway the real problem is that your hypothetical German leader file (every leader from every German state, no matter what their nationality happens to be) will be a very screwed up file. It will have an abundance of slightly above average leaders. These will generally arrive in extremely large groups. There will be very few leaders for extended periods of time. There will only be a handful of exceptional leaders.

Germany needs a better leader file than this, one that has many fewer leaders, better coverage, and several excellent leaders. Should Germany get some of the great Prussian generals of the 18th century? Absolutely. Should she get every last one of the (already numerous) Prussian generals of the era, along with almost all of their opponents, and the leaders who fought the Seven Year's War in Westphalia? Seems pointless to me.

If anything a united Germany should see the worst of the leaders shuffled off into the ether unless they were extremely well connected politically. The reason is that the Imperial army is only going to be SO big, and there will be fewer commands available, so only the best guys are going to get the gig. Darwinian action, in action. Some of them may move into advisor posts in government which could eat up some of them and reduce the number but then you would have to infer how good they would be as a minister. In the above example I could see Frederick being one hot Prime minister!

I'm far from convinced that European/German militaries in the EUII era were Darwinian in their promotional policies. Those who rose to the top were often good generals, but were invariably excellent politicians.

If a united Germany means it sucks to be Poland or France... well history has shown that to be the case in actuality, so why should it not be the same in the game?

Because it's BORING!

And to be harsh for just a bit... they should instead of whining, jump on the respective nations as soon as it looks like they are close to unification and derail it.

The advantages of the unification are such that they should have plenty of incentive to do this. If the way this is implemented makes players think "I can live with a unified Germany" then clearly we've done a bad job.

unmerged(36449) · Jan 12, 2005

Ar-Pharazôn[GE] said:
It's right that Aaachen was Charlemagne's favoured city/palatinate (he used many other palatines as his seat during his reign as Emperor) but still it was not his capital in the sense we use the word today. Aachen would realy have symbolism in connection with Charlemagne but as I have mentioned as long as France is not considerably weakened it would be much to dangerous to choose a capital west of the Rhine. Frankfurt has a good geographical location and a connection with the Imperial tradtion due to the fact that the election of the Emperor took place in this city and as I said above since 1562 the Emperor was also crowned in Frankfurt.
"From 855-1792 Frankfurt was the electoral city for the German Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire " source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt

don't get me wrong I have no problem with Frankfurt and it is the most logical choice considering all the factors.

unmerged(36449) · Jan 12, 2005

Isaac Brock said:
NO-one's really talking about shackling or neutering it. However I think it is gameplay considerations that call for balancing the leader file. If a unified Germany has a ton of great leaders (and again, that's not the situation even if they get every single German leader) they will be extremely powerful and the game will be boring and pointless once the unification is acheived. I personally feel that it's much better to have a bias towards making Germany weaker simply so that the game remains intertesting after unification.

snip for space..

and... I personally feel that it's much better to have a bias towards making Germany weaker simply so that the game remains intertesting after unification.

Because it's BORING!

The advantages of the unification are such that they should have plenty of incentive to do this. If the way this is implemented makes players think "I can live with a unified Germany" then clearly we've done a bad job.

You have hit upon your balance but did not realize it.

the fact that the game loses challenge for the human player IS the balance.

Most will not do it more then once because it bores them to tears. And inversely when playing another nation in the same region they will do their utmost to prevent the unification because they know for darn sure that it is going to be living with a monster...

Balancing a game or scenario is not always best done through strictly mechanical means.

Using you as an example and based solely upon your reference to the proposed Germany in my examples as being to boring.

You would not unify Germany more then once if playing it, and you would most likely only unify the one time to see if you could do it and see how it goes down the road. You would most likely do it out of curiousity. Then you would become bored because there is not enough challenge for you in playing the nation.

And if you were playing France lets say in another game a while later, you would do anything it took to prevent Germany from uniting because you don't want it coming across your borders like a cracked out mongolian horde looking to eat your lunch.

Balance is achieved. The challenge driven player will likely take the "A" choice and not unite Germany regardless of incentives more then once because it does not provide them with their favorite thing: Challenge.

And the same player will knowing what a united Germany entails for the fate of their bordering nation will try and keep the AI from uniting it.

And my fantasy French unification example is spot on. What was being discussed here per the leader file is the same kind of logic as saying that the Princes of Rohan would not serve a France united by Bourbonais, or any other nation but Brittany or Boullion(sp). Since we know that France did unite in our history, and that the descendents of the ruling house of Brittany did serve not only as military leaders but political ones as well to a France that was not united under their houses banner...

The logic of saying that Prussians would not serve a Hessan united Germany is thin at best.

And I don't know where you may have gotten the idea, or anyone else for that matter, that a united Germany would not see the various families within it still ruling over their estates! They would just be mediatized in effect. Frederick would still maintain all of his estates, he would only lose that ability to carry out a seperate foreign policy.

Just as Bavaria, Wurtemburg, Baden, Saxony, etc maintained their estates, titles, priveledges, and armies under the Prussian rulership of the second Reich. They just could not carry out a seperate foreign policy, and their armies were part of the "imperial" army structure etc. Now some would represent Hohenzollern Germany as a Prussia with vassals in the game, but IMHO they would be far from correct in doing so. To me the difference between a vassal and an absorbtion with army names from the other nation being included in the larger file but set to only spring from certain provinces. Is the ability to carry out a seperate foreign policy IE being able to declare war. In the Second Reich Bavaria could not declare war on anyone even though it had an army and air force; only the emperor could.

In a united Germany either from a more centralized HRE or the alternate route, things should go about the same. Prussia united Germany using the above model and based in no small part on HRE history and influence as an example of the alternate path. And a centralized HRE before hand would still see the various dynasties in charge of their states, but without the sovereign power of war making. In both examples the major states did or would in the HRE case, still maintain "national" armies and would/did have "national" leadership of those armies.

so... In a centralised HRE Freddie would command the Brandenburg/Prussian contingent of the Imperial army. And he would still command the Brandenburg/Prussian contingent of the alternate paths "imperial" army.

Now of course if the player chose to take the "C" path: Flat out just conquering and seizing each and every province. I could not see for many generations at least, anyone of the various houses dispossesed by the usurper, serving their banner.

unmerged(28491) · Jan 12, 2005

don't get me wrong I have no problem with Frankfurt and it is the most logical choice considering all the factors.

I just wanted to explain my position

[...]They would just be mediatized in effect. Frederick would still maintain all of his estates, he would only lose that ability to carry out a seperate foreign policy.[...]

You have to consider that the Nobles agreed to the unification of Germany in 1871 'cause they felt much better protected by a centralized German state while the formation of the HRE or a german Kingdom during the pre-napolean timeframe would have met outmost resistance from the nobles (and not only german nobles).

[...] you would do anything it took to prevent Germany from uniting because you don't want it coming across your borders like a cracked out mongolian horde looking to eat your lunch.[...]

The 30 years is one of the best examples where you can see how the Emperor has treated his enemys. Many of the ruling nobles opposing the unification would have been replaced by more loyal ones while those supporting it would be rewarded (not to much because you don't want them getting to powerfull making everything you have done obsolete). Imagine what you would have done with the Hohenzollern if they are resisting your rightous Imperial rule. Keep them as rulers of Prussia ????? No you would have replaced them and perhaps executed the Prussian king to show the nobles that resistance is futile because you are the Emperor and they will be assimilated into the Holy Roman Collective.
The only way to keep ALL leaders would be if a Federation is formed with the agreement of all German nobles. Still there would be many Austrians not willing to serve in the new German army if Germany has been formed by Austrias enemys same goes for Prussian officers if Austria unites the Empire. The historical situation makes it almost impossible for anyone to form an Empire by purely diplomatic means.
So again keep standard leaders of the country which forms germany and add the leaders of their most important supporters + some standard ones.
And as i have already mentioned you could use some of the leaders as antagonists of the ruling dynasty to create an interesting challenge. Freddy as "revolutionary" could be an option (already mentioned). In fact he wrote a book called "the anti Machiavell" opposing Nicolo Machiavelli's political theory and absolutism so why shouldn't Freddy become a more radical revolutionary if his father/grandfather etc. has lost his title due to Imperial punishment ? In real life the option of becoming something better than a enlightened absolutist monarch was unrealistic because of his harsh father and the fact that power corrupts the human beeing.

If you can not live without the great leaders to play some role as supporters than give the player an option to choose how to treat the nobles if victory is achieved. If you let them keep their estates then you will have to face more problems holding your Empire together. Insert events which are increasing revoltrisk or result in desertion like the ones for a fantasy victory of the British over France in the HYW if the nobles keep their estates but reward the player with additional leaders and ministers. If the player decides for a hard punishment of oppositional nobles and to reduce the power of the supporting/neutral nobles a lot then it should be easyer to keep control of the Empire and fasten the process of centralisation (centralisation bonus + tax bonus via events) but less leaders would be available for him + one or two real nasty revolution-like events are awaiting him and perhaps some leaders defecting to another country.

unmerged(36449) · Jan 13, 2005

Ar-Pharazôn[GE] said:
I just wanted to explain my position

You have to consider that the Nobles agreed to the unification of Germany in 1871 'cause they felt much better protected by a centralized German state while the formation of the HRE or a german Kingdom during the pre-napolean timeframe would have met outmost resistance from the nobles (and not only german nobles).

The 30 years is one of the best examples where you can see how the Emperor has treated his enemys. Many of the ruling nobles opposing the unification would have been replaced by more loyal ones while those supporting it would be rewarded (not to much because you don't want them getting to powerfull making everything you have done obsolete). Imagine what you would have done with the Hohenzollern if they are resisting your rightous Imperial rule. Keep them as rulers of Prussia ????? No you would have replaced them and perhaps executed the Prussian king to show the nobles that resistance is futile because you are the Emperor and they will be assimilated into the Holy Roman Collective.
The only way to keep ALL leaders would be if a Federation is formed with the agreement of all German nobles. Still there would be many Austrians not willing to serve in the new German army if Germany has been formed by Austrias enemys same goes for Prussian officers if Austria unites the Empire. The historical situation makes it almost impossible for anyone to form an Empire by purely diplomatic means.
So again keep standard leaders of the country which forms germany and add the leaders of their most important supporters + some standard ones.
And as i have already mentioned you could use some of the leaders as antagonists of the ruling dynasty to create an interesting challenge. Freddy as "revolutionary" could be an option (already mentioned). In fact he wrote a book called "the anti Machiavell" opposing Nicolo Machiavelli's political theory and absolutism so why shouldn't Freddy become a more radical revolutionary if his father/grandfather etc. has lost his title due to Imperial punishment ? In real life the option of becoming something better than a enlightened absolutist monarch was unrealistic because of his harsh father and the fact that power corrupts the human beeing.

If you can not live without the great leaders to play some role as supporters than give the player an option to choose how to treat the nobles if victory is achieved. If you let them keep their estates then you will have to face more problems holding your Empire together. Insert events which are increasing revoltrisk or result in desertion like the ones for a fantasy victory of the British over France in the HYW if the nobles keep their estates but reward the player with additional leaders and ministers. If the player decides for a hard punishment of oppositional nobles and to reduce the power of the supporting/neutral nobles a lot then it should be easyer to keep control of the Empire and fasten the process of centralisation (centralisation bonus + tax bonus via events) but less leaders would be available for him + one or two real nasty revolution-like events are awaiting him and perhaps some leaders defecting to another country.

all good points, and all arrive at a reduced leader file from a perspective of just balancing a game... And that is a good thing. Since it still makes USE of these men in some way and not just throwing them onto the heap so some kid in Poicoma doesn't pitch a fit about something being to easy or to hard.

Yeah unification of Germany is going to be a real bear to do and do well and it should be since no other person did it in the time frame and there were some very clever lads running around.

Norrefeldt · Jan 13, 2005

When discussing how the leaders should be given to KoG, consider about how it should be scripted. That's a real nightmare unless it is simplified in some way, like leaving out some states' leaders alltogether. Suggestions are welcome.

unmerged(11496) · Jan 13, 2005

Ar-Pharazôn[GE] said:
It would be of course a choice but it is important to put the right city on place A because of the AI . Perhaps if France is weakened, defeated by the HRE or not even existing there would be another event with Aachen as option A if France is still strong I'd suggest to put Frankfurt on place A.

Exactly...Frankfurt as choice A), then maybe founding country's cap as B) and Aachen as C) but to include perhaps a relations bump w France or Burgundy?

Or not...

EDIT: How about Frankfurt as A) and their own cap as B) if they are "only" forming KoG and Aachen as C) if they want to try and fully restore Charlemange's (sp?) empire? Along with cores on France/Burgundy and massive relations hits with all nations now in their sights?

Just thinking aloud while wacked-out on cold medicine... :wacko:

unmerged(28491) · Jan 13, 2005

EDIT: How about Frankfurt as A) and their own cap as B) if they are "only" forming KoG and Aachen as C) if they want to try and fully restore Charlemange's (sp?) empire? Along with cores on France/Burgundy and massive relations hits with all nations now in their sights?

I would add some more to conditions to claim Charlemagnes realm than just the ones needed for HRE unification.
1st the nation re-claiming all of Charlemagnes realm needs to be HEI (Holy Roman Empire)
2nd HEI needs to have a sufficient powerbase
3rd HEI needs to have a monarch who is an "adventurer" (Freddy would surely be a canditate

)

When discussing how the leaders should be given to KoG, consider about how it should be scripted. That's a real nightmare unless it is simplified in some way, like leaving out some states' leaders alltogether. Suggestions are welcome.

Every nation able to form the KOG of reform the HRE has it's own event so it is very easy to give them the right leaders once they are changing their tag

3Steps + 1 optional step
1st
make a leader file including ALL possible leaders for Germany/HRE

2nd
include sleep leader xyz as command in the events for the formation of HEI and GER and do this for all leaders which are not going to follow the lead of the country which becomes HEI/GER

3rd
include sleep leader xyz for all HEI/GER leaders included other leader files to sleep the non-HEI/GER versions of the leaders (for example sleep the Prussian version of Freddy if he is supposed to serve HEI/GER)

4th
include events to wake the non-HEI/GER versions of the leaders if a country is supposed to break free and get the leader

It is the same thing I have done in order to add the option to keep Charles V. as Emperor of HRE and choosing his son as heir of all the Habsburg possesions exept that monarchs were slept instead of leaders. Note that in my altered event chain Spain is the country to choose the Habsburg Seat of power.

##############################################################################
################################ Spain chooses (depending wether Austria or ##
################################ Spain is Habsburg Seat of Power #############
##############################################################################
event = {
id = 1000009
random = no
trigger = {
NOT = {
religion = protestant
religion = reformed
}
owned = { province = 380 data = HAB }
}
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME3190"
desc = "EVENTHIST3190"
style = 2

date = { day = 29 month = september year = 1556 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 30 month = september year = 1556 }

action_a ={
name = "Abdicate the throne and split the Empire"
command = { type = trigger which = 1000010 }
command = { type = breakvassal which = SPA }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 387 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 377 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 378 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 379 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 380 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 337 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 338 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 339 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 340 }
command = { type = removecore which = 387 }
command = { type = removecore which = 377 }
command = { type = removecore which = 378 }
command = { type = removecore which = 379 }
command = { type = removecore which = 380 }
command = { type = removecore which = 337 }
command = { type = removecore which = 338 }
command = { type = removecore which = 339 }
command = { type = removecore which = 340 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 327 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 350 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 369 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 371 value = 3 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 200 }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = badboy value = -10 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04264 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94142 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94143 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94144 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94145 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94142 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94143 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94144 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94145 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04265 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04266 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04267 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04268 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04269 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04270 }
}

action_b ={
name = "No the Habsburg Domains will be indivisible."
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94142 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94143 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94144 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94145 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94142 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94143 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94144 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94145 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04265 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04266 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04267 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04268 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04269 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04270 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3173 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3174 }
command = { type = badboy value = 10 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -200 }

}
}

# The Abdication of Charles und die Folgen #

event = {

id = 1000010
random = no
country = SPA
name = "EVENTNAME3157"
desc = "EVENTHIST3157"
style = 1

action_a ={ #Yes Father!#
name = "ACTIONNAME3157A"
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04264 }
command = { type = addcore which = 387 }
command = { type = addcore which = 377 }
command = { type = addcore which = 378 }
command = { type = addcore which = 379 }
command = { type = addcore which = 380 }
command = { type = addcore which = 337 }
command = { type = addcore which = 338 }
command = { type = addcore which = 339 }
command = { type = addcore which = 340 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
}
}

# The Abdication of Charles und die Folgen #

event = {

id = 1000011
random = no
country = SPA
name = "EVENTNAME3157"
desc = "EVENTHIST3157"
style = 1

action_a ={ #Yes Father!#
name = "The Emperor has decided that the Habsburg dominions shall stay united under his rulership"
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04151 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04152 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04153 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04154 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04155 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04146 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04147 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04148 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04149 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04150 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
}
}

##############################################################################
################################ Spain chooses (depending wether Austria or ##
################################ Spain is Habsburg Seat of Power #############
##############################################################################
event = {
id = 1000012
random = no
trigger = {
NOT = {
religion = protestant
religion = reformed
}
owned = { province = 380 data = HAB }
}
country = SPA
name = "EVENTNAME3190"
desc = "EVENTHIST3190"
style = 2

date = { day = 29 month = september year = 1556 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 30 month = september year = 1556 }

action_a ={
name = "Abdicate the throne and split the Empire"
command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04264 } #Charles abdicates#
command = { type = addcore which = 387 }
command = { type = addcore which = 377 }
command = { type = addcore which = 378 }
command = { type = addcore which = 379 }
command = { type = addcore which = 380 }
command = { type = addcore which = 337 }
command = { type = addcore which = 338 }
command = { type = addcore which = 339 }
command = { type = addcore which = 340 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000013 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = badboy value = -10 }
}

action_b ={
name = "No the Habsburg Domains will be indivisible."
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04151 } #Spanish Habsburgs after Charles II.#
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04152 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04153 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04154 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04155 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04146 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04147 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04148 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04149 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04150 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3173 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3174 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000014 }
command = { type = badboy value = 10 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -200 }

}
}

# The Abdication of Charles und die Folgen II #

event = {

id = 1000013
random = no
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME3157"
desc = "EVENTHIST3157"
style = 1

action_a ={ #Yes Father!#
name = "ACTIONNAME3157A"
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 387 } #Burgundy Lowlands Franche Comte#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 377 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 378 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 379 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 380 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 337 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 338 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 339 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 340 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04264 } #Charles abdicates#
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94142 } #Austrian Habsburg Line#
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94143 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94144 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94145 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94142 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94143 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94144 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 94145 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04265 } #Spanish Line on German throne#
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04266 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04267 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04268 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04269 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04270 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 327 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 350 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 369 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 371 value = 3 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 200 }
}
}

# The Abdication of Charles und die Folgen II #

event = {

id = 1000014
random = no
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME3157"
desc = "EVENTHIST3157"
style = 1

action_a ={ #Yes Father!#
name = "ACTIONNAME3157A"
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94142 } #Spanish Line on German throne#
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94143 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94144 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94145 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94142 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94143 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94144 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 94145 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04265 } #Austrian Habsburgs#
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04266 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04267 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04268 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04269 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04270 }

}
}

unmerged(31542) · Jan 14, 2005

A man like Friedrich the Great would not be content to be just some general in the Imperial Army and I suspect many other princes would be peeved off at losing their independence. Historical great men would fight to restore their domains and fight the Empire as much as fight for the Empire.

Thus a united HRE would have lots of destabilizing events, especially in North Germany. Brandenburg/Saxony and Baltic Germany would very likely be making pacts with Denmark/Sweden/Poland and would frequently rebel against the Empire.

Some wars of religion style events would be appropriate for the reformation too.

unmerged(36449) · Jan 14, 2005

Von_Koenig said:
A man like Friedrich the Great would not be content to be just some general in the Imperial Army and I suspect many other princes would be peeved off at losing their independence. Historical great men would fight to restore their domains and fight the Empire as much as fight for the Empire.

Thus a united HRE would have lots of destabilizing events, especially in North Germany. Brandenburg/Saxony and Baltic Germany would very likely be making pacts with Denmark/Sweden/Poland and would frequently rebel against the Empire.

Some wars of religion style events would be appropriate for the reformation too.

there is some truth to that. However there is also a couple of problems. Not the least of which is the claim to sovereignty over a particular area of territory is derived from the emperor, and not solely from the family in question.

The family in question inherits the right to rule over an imperial fief, and technically not the fief itself.

So to rebel against the emperor is to delegitimize yourself by removing the foundation of your claims...and establishing a new order based upon the legal principle that anyone that is strong enough to take the area can keep it.

And that further endangers your families position down the road since it is highly unlikely that they can hold a smallish in comparison to its' neighbours, fief for long. In the case of Brandenburg how long do you really think it can last after winning independence when on its' borders are the HRE, Poland, and Sweden?

Besides Freddy still has Prussia with which to play, and that is firmly outside the borders of the HRE.

The point on the wars of religion though are spot on, and likely. Holding the HRE together is going to be a tough gig.

Twoflower · Jan 29, 2005

Unless anybody objects, I will get the sequence for unification of Germany through reform ready for submission until February 10th. Martin's suggestions on the descs (post #198) are of course implemented. What I will presumably submit:

the Reichstag at Worms and Imperial Diet at Augsburg events in versions for all German states that should be eligible (i.e. Austria, Styria, Tyrol Brandenburg, Saxony, Palatinate, Bavaria, Hanover, Mecklenburg, Pomerania, Stettin, Holstein, Oldenburg, Cleves, Berg, Hesse, Wirtemberg, Baden - forgot any?)
the reaction events for France, Poland, Bohemia, Hungary, Denmark and Burgundy
the events where German states can choose whether to accept the reforms and be annexed or not in versions for Bavaria, Mecklenburg, Holstein, Hanover, Bremen, Hesse, Strasbourg, Lorraine, Savoy (is annexed only if it is a one-provincer, otherwise it cedes Savoie and moves its capital to Piemonte), Wirtemberg, Baden, Cleves, Oldenburg and Berg
events for the creation of an Electoral Rhenish circle and an Upper Saxon circle (posted below)
events for Pomerania, Stettin and Meissen where they can choose whether to be inherited or not after the creation of the Upper Saxon circle
an event where Germany can pick its capital (posted below)

The events for the creation of the Electoral Rhenish and the Upper Saxon circle. Something for the Austrian circle should be done as well; whether there should even be an event for the creation of a Burgundian circle under conditions that are reasonably hard to accomplish might be a controversial question.

Code:

#The Electoral Rhenish circle
event = {
      id = 2600080
      trigger = { 
              flag = Germany_reform
              owned = { province = 344 data = -1 } #Köln
              owned = { province = 345 data = -1 } #Pfalz
              owned = { province = 346 data = -1 } #Mainz 
              NOT = { exists = PFA } #unlikely, but better to check
              NOT = { exists = MAI }
              NOT = { exists = KOL }
              NOT = { badboy = 5 }
              atwar = no
              stability = 1
                }
      random = no
      country = GER
      name = "Creation of the Electoral Rhenish circle"
      desc = "Through astute negotiations and a bit of force, we have managed to convince all four Rhenish electors - the Count Palatine and the archbishops of Mainz, Trier and Cologne - to give up their special privilegues granted in the Golden Bull, the regalia, which allows us to create an Electoral Rhenish Imperial Circle covering their territory and to implement reforms establishing Imperial authority there as has been done in most of Germany. Within this circle, the four electors would still retain significant privilegues; therefore it might also be worth contemplation to ignore Imperial law in this case and make the Electoral Rhenish territories direct Imperial possessions. Such an act might however provoke resistance."
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1512 }
      offset = 600
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600 }

      action_a = {
               name = "Create an Electoral Rhenish circle"
               command = { type = addcore which = 344 }
               command = { type = addcore which = 345 }
               command = { type = addcore which = 346 }
               command = { type = vp value = 50 }
               command = { type = provincetax which = 344 value = -2 }            
               command = { type = provincetax which = 345 value = -2 } 
               command = { type = provincetax which = 346 value = -2 }
               command = { type = provincemanpower which = 344 value = -1 }            
               command = { type = provincemanpower which = 345 value = -1 } 
               command = { type = provincemanpower which = 346 value = -1 }
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "No, we'll make these lands direct Imperial possessions!"
               command = { type = revolt which = 344 }
               command = { type = revolt which = 345 }
               command = { type = revolt which = 346 }
               command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
               command = { type = stability value = -2 }
                 }
}
#The Upper Saxon circle
event = {
      id = 2600081
      trigger = { 
              flag = Germany_reform
              owned = { province = 312 data = -1 } #Brandenburg
              owned = { province = 332 data = -1 } #Anhalt
              NOT = { exists = BRA }
              NOT = { exists = SAC }
              NOT = { badboy = 3 }
              atwar = no
              stability = 1
                }
      random = no
      country = GER
      name = "Creation of the Upper Saxon circle"
      desc = "Through astute negotiations and a bit of force, we have managed to convince the electors of Brandenburg and Saxony to give up their special privilegues granted in the Golden Bull, the regalia, which allows us to create an Upper Saxon Imperial Circle covering the territory of the electors and the lands considered to be under their feudal suzerainty and to implement reforms establishing Imperial authority there as has been done in most of Germany. Within this circle, the two electors will still retain some privilegues, which is however a price that we have to pay for being able to integrate such a large area." 
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1512 }
      offset = 600
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600 }

      action_a = {
               name = "Create an Upper Saxon circle"
               command = { type = addcore which = 302 } #Hinterpommern 
               command = { type = addcore which = 304 } #Vorpommern
               command = { type = addcore which = 311 } #Magdeburg 
               command = { type = addcore which = 312 } #Brandenburg
               command = { type = addcore which = 313 } #Küstrin
               command = { type = addcore which = 331 } #Sachsen 
               command = { type = addcore which = 332 } #Anhalt
               command = { type = vp value = 50 }
               command = { type = provincetax which = 311 value = -2 }
               command = { type = provincetax which = 312 value = -2 }
               command = { type = provincetax which = 313 value = -2 } 
               command = { type = provincetax which = 332 value = -2 }
               command = { type = provincemanpower which = 311 value = -1 }
               command = { type = provincemanpower which = 312 value = -1 }
               command = { type = provincemanpower which = 313 value = -1 } 
               command = { type = provincemanpower which = 332 value = -1 }
                 }
}
#Upper Saxon circle created
event = {
      id = 2600082
      trigger = { 
              event = 2600081 #GER: Creation of the Upper Saxon circle
              OR = {
                 alliance = { country = GER country = POM }
                 vassal = { country = GER country = POM }
                 relation = { country = GER value = 150 }
                   }
                }
      random = no
      country = POM
      name = "Creation of an Imperial Circle of Upper Saxony"
      desc = "Our legal feudal suzerain, the elector of Brandenburg, has agreed to give up his special status as elector, the so-called electoral regalia, which has before allowed him and the princes under his suzerainty to be exempt from the massive reforms that have taken place in the Kingdom of Germany. As a consequence, the Emperor has with the consent of the Imperial Diet created an Upper Saxon Imperial circle that includes Pomerania. The new circle will be subject to the new Imperial institutions that are supposed to enforce central authority and suppress territorial autonomy. Accepting this act would thus effectively end our possibilities to act independently from the Empire."   
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1512 }
      offset= 600
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600 }
 
      action_a = {
               name = "Accept the fact (End Game)"
               command = { type = trigger which = 2600084 } #GER: Pomerania joins the Upper Saxon circle
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "Defy the Emperor" 
               command = { type = relation which = GER value = -300 }
               command = { type = breakvassal which = GER }
               command = { type = stability value = -3 }
               command = { type = war which = GER }
                 }
}
event = {
      id = 2600083
      trigger = { 
              event = 2600081 #GER: Creation of the Upper Saxon circle
              NOT = {
                 alliance = { country = GER country = POM }
                 vassal = { country = GER country = POM }
                 relation = { country = GER value = 150 }
                   }
                }
      random = no
      country = POM
      name = "Creation of an Imperial Circle of Upper Saxony"
      desc = "Our legal feudal suzerain, the elector of Brandenburg, has agreed to give up his special status as elector, the so-called electoral regalia, which has before allowed him and the princes under his suzerainty to be exempt from the massive reforms that have taken place in the Kingdom of Germany. As a consequence, the Emperor has with the consent of the Imperial Diet created an Upper Saxon Imperial circle that includes Pomerania. The new circle will be subject to the new Imperial institutions that are supposed to enforce central authority and suppress territorial autonomy. Accepting this act would thus effectively end our possibilities to act independently from the Empire."
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1512 }
      offset= 600
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600 }
 
      action_a = {
               name = "Defy the Emperor" 
               command = { type = relation which = GER value = -300 }
               command = { type = breakvassal which = GER }
               command = { type = stability value = -3 }
               command = { type = war which = GER }
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "Accept the fact (End Game)"
               command = { type = trigger which = 2600084 } #GER: Pomerania joins the Upper Saxon circle
                 }
}                     
#Pomerania
event = {
      id = 2600084
      random = no
      country = GER
      name = "Pomerania joins the Upper Saxon circle
      desc = "The Duke of Pomerania has decided to accept being included in the new Upper Saxon circle and will hence be a loyal part of the reformed Holy Roman Empire and Kingdom of Germany."     
      style = 1
      
      action_a = {
               name = "Good vassals"
               command = { type = inherit which = POM }
                 }
}
#Upper Saxon circle created
event = {
      id = 2600085
      trigger = { 
              event = 2600081 #GER: Creation of the Upper Saxon circle
              OR = {
                 alliance = { country = GER country = STT }
                 vassal = { country = GER country = STT }
                 relation = { country = GER value = 150 }
                   }
                }
      random = no
      country = STT
      name = "Creation of an Imperial Circle of Upper Saxony"
      desc = "Our legal feudal suzerain, the elector of Brandenburg, has agreed to give up his special status as elector, the so-called electoral regalia, which has before allowed him and the princes under his suzerainty to be exempt from the massive reforms that have taken place in the Kingdom of Germany. As a consequence, the Emperor has with the consent of the Imperial Diet created an Upper Saxon Imperial circle that includes Pomerania-Stettin. The new circle will be subject to the new Imperial institutions that are supposed to enforce central authority and suppress territorial autonomy. Accepting this act would thus effectively end our possibilities to act independently from the Empire."   
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1512 }
      offset= 600
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600 }
 
      action_a = {
               name = "Accept the fact (End Game)"
               command = { type = trigger which = 2600087 } #GER: Pomerania joins the Upper Saxon circle
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "Defy the Emperor" 
               command = { type = relation which = GER value = -300 }
               command = { type = breakvassal which = GER }
               command = { type = stability value = -3 }
               command = { type = war which = GER }
                 }
}
event = {
      id = 2600086
      trigger = { 
              event = 2600081 #GER: Creation of the Upper Saxon circle
              NOT = {
                 alliance = { country = GER country = STT }
                 vassal = { country = GER country = STT }
                 relation = { country = GER value = 150 }
                   }
                }
      random = no
      country = STT
      name = "Creation of an Imperial Circle of Upper Saxony"
      desc = "Our legal feudal suzerain, the elector of Brandenburg, has agreed to give up his special status as elector, the so-called electoral regalia, which has before allowed him and the princes under his suzerainty to be exempt from the massive reforms that have taken place in the Kingdom of Germany. As a consequence, the Emperor has with the consent of the Imperial Diet created an Upper Saxon Imperial circle that includes Pomerania-Stettin. The new circle will be subject to the new Imperial institutions that are supposed to enforce central authority and suppress territorial autonomy. Accepting this act would thus effectively end our possibilities to act independently from the Empire."
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1512 }
      offset= 600
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600 }
 
      action_a = {
               name = "Defy the Emperor" 
               command = { type = relation which = GER value = -300 }
               command = { type = breakvassal which = GER }
               command = { type = stability value = -3 }
               command = { type = war which = GER }
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "Accept the fact (End Game)"
               command = { type = trigger which = 2600087 } #GER: Pomerania joins the Upper Saxon circle
                 }
}                     
#Pomerania-Stettin
event = {
      id = 2600087
      random = no
      country = GER
      name = "Pomerania-Stettin joins the Upper Saxon circle
      desc = "The Duke of Pomerania-Stettin has decided to accept being included in the new Upper Saxon circle and will hence be a loyal part of the reformed Holy Roman Empire and Kingdom of Germany."     
      style = 1
      
      action_a = {
               name = "Good vassals"
               command = { type = inherit which = STT }
                 }
}
#Upper Saxon circle created
event = {
      id = 2600088
      trigger = { 
              event = 2600081 #GER: Creation of the Upper Saxon circle
              OR = {
                 alliance = { country = GER country = U16 }
                 vassal = { country = GER country = U16 }
                 relation = { country = GER value = 150 }
                   }
                }
      random = no
      country = U16
      name = "Creation of an Imperial Circle of Upper Saxony"
      desc = "Our legal feudal suzerain, the elector of Saxony, has agreed to give up his special status as elector, the so-called electoral regalia, which has before allowed him and the princes under his suzerainty to be exempt from the massive reforms that have taken place in the Kingdom of Germany. As a consequence, the Emperor has with the consent of the Imperial Diet created an Upper Saxon Imperial circle that includes Meissen. The new circle will be subject to the new Imperial institutions that are supposed to enforce central authority and suppress territorial autonomy. Accepting this act would thus effectively end our possibilities to act independently from the Empire."   
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1512 }
      offset= 600
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600 }
 
      action_a = {
               name = "Accept the fact (End Game)"
               command = { type = trigger which = 2600090 } #GER: Pomerania joins the Upper Saxon circle
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "Defy the Emperor" 
               command = { type = relation which = GER value = -300 }
               command = { type = breakvassal which = GER }
               command = { type = stability value = -3 }
               command = { type = war which = GER }
                 }
}
event = {
      id = 2600089
      trigger = { 
              event = 2600081 #GER: Creation of the Upper Saxon circle
              NOT = {
                 alliance = { country = GER country = U16 }
                 vassal = { country = GER country = U16 }
                 relation = { country = GER value = 150 }
                   }
                }
      random = no
      country = U16
      name = "Creation of an Imperial Circle of Upper Saxony"
      desc = "Our legal feudal suzerain, the elector of Saxony, has agreed to give up his special status as elector, the so-called electoral regalia, which has before allowed him and the princes under his suzerainty to be exempt from the massive reforms that have taken place in the Kingdom of Germany. As a consequence, the Emperor has with the consent of the Imperial Diet created an Upper Saxon Imperial circle that includes Meissen. The new circle will be subject to the new Imperial institutions that are supposed to enforce central authority and suppress territorial autonomy. Accepting this act would thus effectively end our possibilities to act independently from the Empire."
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1512 }
      offset= 600
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600 }
 
      action_a = {
               name = "Defy the Emperor" 
               command = { type = relation which = GER value = -300 }
               command = { type = breakvassal which = GER }
               command = { type = stability value = -3 }
               command = { type = war which = GER }
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "Accept the fact (End Game)"
               command = { type = trigger which = 2600090 } #GER: Pomerania joins the Upper Saxon circle
                 }
}                     
#Meissen
event = {
      id = 2600090
      random = no
      country = GER
      name = "Meissen joins the Upper Saxon circle
      desc = "The Wettin Margrave of Meissen has decided to accept being included in the new Upper Saxon circle and will hence be a loyal part of the reformed Holy Roman Empire and Kingdom of Germany."     
      style = 1
      
      action_a = {
               name = "Good vassals"
               command = { type = inherit which = U16 }
                 }
}

And an event where Germany can decide where to have its capital. I made Nürnberg the A choice because, as mentioned in the desc, it historically was the seat of the shortlived new Imperial "government", the Imperial Executive Council. There are different DP effects mainly to "spice up" the choice; the reasoning is that chosing Nürnberg would mean a bit more reliance on the Imperial cities, Frankfurt an accentuation of the legitimation of Imperial rule by the Imperial princes and Aachen a stressing of divine legitimacy and the legacy of Charlemagne.

Code:

#The Imperial capital
event = {
      id = 2600100
      trigger = { 
              flag = Germany_reform #An emperor who has enforced unification would keep his old residence 
              owned = { province = 347 data = -1 } #Würzburg (Nürnberg)
              owned = { province = 346 data = -1 } #Mainz (Frankfurt)
              owned = { province = 344 data = -1 } #Köln (Aachen)
                }
      random = no
      country = GER
      name = "The Imperial capital"
      desc = "Now that we have established the much-needed reforms in the Empire, we can proceed to the creation of some more central institutions that would facilitate the administration of the Kingdom of Germany. Before doing that, we must yet decide where to place these institutions, i.e. which city should be the capital of Germany. Nürnberg, whose Imperial castle was the main residence of the emperors in the late middle ages, already hosts the Imperial Executive Council and would be an obvious choice. By instead making Frankfurt, site of the Imperial elections, the centre of the Empire, we would stress the sole legitimation of Imperial power by election. On the other hand, chosing Aachen, the capital of Charlemagne and the city of Imperial coronations, would accentuate both the divine legitimacy of Imperial rule and the ancient Frankish legacy. Of course, we could as well just make the hereditary residence of the Emperor capital of Germany."
      style = 1
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1515 }
      offset = 3000
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1610 }
      
      action_a = {
               name = "The loyal city of Nürnberg"
               command = { type = capital which = 347 } 
               command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 } 
               command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "Frankfurt, the city of Imperial elections"
               command = { type = capital which = 346 }
               command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
               command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
                  }
      action_c = {
               name = "Aachen, the city of Charlemagne and Imperial coronation"
               command = { type = capital which = 344 }
               command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
               command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 }
               command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 50 }
                  }
      action_d = {
               name = "Make the old residence capital of the Empire"
               command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 }
                 }
}

unmerged(36449) · Jan 30, 2005

cool! Looking forward to giving this a try

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