AGC & EEP: Fantasy German Unification

Mettermrck · Jul 2, 2004

doktarr said:
What were you told doesn't work? I don't think you can have an event trigger for "country=-6", but I think a trigger condition like "vassal = {country = BRA country = -6}" would work fine. I haven't tested it, but I would assume so.

Once again, I think the simplest, least controversial, let's-just-get-something-in-we-can-agree-upon solution would be an event FOR the emperor if he controls most of the elector states, which changes the tag and gives the cores.

You could be proposing the -6 trigger a little differently than how we were wording it, but in the old thread, around the 8th post, you can see where someone tested the idea and it didn't work out, so I had to go back to the HAB, but I agree it's the better solution if it does indeed work. Anyhow, I'll work on making the proposals you and Isaac are suggesting so we can get something on the table for testing. It'd be great to get something drafted.

Khephren · Jul 2, 2004

doktarr said:
but I think a trigger condition like "vassal = {country = BRA country = -6}" would work fine. I haven't tested it, but I would assume so.
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Doesn't work

KingMississippi · Jul 2, 2004

Protestant Emperor

Well if you can have a protestant emperor than lets require you to be the emperor to claim the throne. Ignore vassalizing the emperor since that trigger does not work.

So basically to declare yourself the HRE you need
control of electorates (7 IRL + EU?)
emperor of HRE
low BB
anything else?

Mettermrck · Jul 2, 2004

KingMississippi said:
Well if you can have a protestant emperor than lets require you to be the emperor to claim the throne. Ignore vassalizing the emperor since that trigger does not work.

So basically to declare yourself the HRE you need
control of electorates (7 IRL + EU?)
emperor of HRE
low BB
anything else?

Hmm, this might just be the brute force solution we're looking for.

Since if you're Emperor, it could mean one of many things. Either you've cajoled enough German states to go along with you, eliminated enough of your rivals, or force-vassalized (stomped on) enough of them. And it doesn't matter what religion you are. I like it myself, and it has nothing to do with Hapsburgs or whatever.

Mettermrck · Jul 2, 2004

Ok, based on the input I've gotten, here is the modified version of my event. The one thing I'm unsure about is Isaac's suggestion about adding the cores only when the state in question returns to full stability. Some advocate giving the cores right when the Empire is formed. I'm in favor of granting cores from the start, from a partial bias for simplicity but I also want to see how the events test out and whether the German player is truly challenged by the hostile reaction of Europe. If there needs to be more negatives, then we can delay the cores. Anyhow, let me know what you think.

Code:

##################################
# The German Crown (durch Kraft) #
##################################
event = { 
id = 999999
random = no
country = BRA
trigger = { 	owned = { province = 346 data = -1 } #Mainz
		owned = { province = 345 data = -1 } #Pfalz
		owned = { province = 328 data = -1 } #Bohemia
		owned = { province = 312 data = -1 } #Brandenburg
		owned = { province = 331 data = -1 } #Sachsen
		owned = { province = 344 data = -1 } #Koln
		owned = { province = 349 data = -1 } #Bayern
		owned = { province = 310 data = -1 } #Hannover
		emperor = yes
		atwar = no #must be at peace
                NOT = { badboy = 10 }
	  }

name = "The German Crown"
desc = "Through a sustained campaign of military conquest, clever diplomatic 
maneuver, and stalwart will, Brandenburg has positioned itself, so that the 
Crown of Germany is now within reach. By overcoming all of the Imperial 
Electors and major rivals in Germany, and in particular, humbling the Emperor 
himself, Brandenburg now has a claim to the German Crown that, if anathema 
to the nations of Europe, is clearly established by force."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1820 }

action_a = {
name = "The Crown is Mine"
command = { type = country which = HEI }
command = { type = badboy value = 8 } 
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 5 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
command = { type = stability value = -5 }
command = { type = treasury value = -1500 } #extravagant coronation
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 3 } 
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -3 } 
command = { type = remove_countryculture which = french } #if Lorraine, magyar and czech if Austria, need to check for others
command = { type = addcore which = 374 } #Alsace
command = { type = addcore which = 332 } #Anhalt
command = { type = addcore which = 348 } #Ansbach
command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Austria
command = { type = addcore which = 373 } #Baden
command = { type = addcore which = 349 } #Bayern
command = { type = addcore which = 312 } #Brandenburg
command = { type = addcore which = 336 } #Bremen
command = { type = addcore which = 310 } #Hannover
command = { type = addcore which = 333 } #Hessen
command = { type = addcore which = 302 } #Hinterpommern
command = { type = addcore which = 306 } #Holstein
command = { type = addcore which = 343 } #Kleves
command = { type = addcore which = 313 } #Kustrin
command = { type = addcore which = 344 } #Koln
command = { type = addcore which = 375 } #Lorraine
command = { type = addcore which = 311 } #Magdeburg
command = { type = addcore which = 346 } #Mainz
command = { type = addcore which = 305 } #Mecklenburg
command = { type = addcore which = 334 } #Munster
command = { type = addcore which = 335 } #Oldenburg
command = { type = addcore which = 327 } #Ostmarch
command = { type = addcore which = 345 } #Pfalz
command = { type = addcore which = 331 } #Sachsen
command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Salzburg
command = { type = addcore which = 371 } #Tirol
command = { type = addcore which = 304 } #Vorpommern
command = { type = addcore which = 372 } #Wurttemberg
command = { type = addcore which = 347 } #Wurzburg
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Saxony's Reaction - permanent casus belli, -250 relations
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Baden's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Bavaria's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Berg's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Bremen's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Hannover's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Hessen's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Pommerania's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Holstein's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Kleves' Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Koln's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Lorraine's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Mecklenburg's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Oldenburg's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Palatinate's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Stettin's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Wurttemberg's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Wurzburg's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #England's Reaction 
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #France's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Spain's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Castille's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Aragon's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Portugal's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Burgundy's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Papacy's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Austria's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Poland's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Lithuania's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Denmark's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Sweden's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Teutonic Order's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Prussia's Reaction
command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Italy's Reaction
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = BAD } #Baden
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = BAY } #Bavaria
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = MUN } #Berg
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = BRE } #Bremen
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = HAN } #Hannover
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = HES } #Hesse
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = POM } #Pommerania
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = HOL } #Holstein
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = KLE } #Kleves
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = KOL } #Koln
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = LOR } #Lorraine
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = MEC } #Mecklenburg
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = OLD } #Oldenburg
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = PFA } #Palatinate
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = SLZ } #Stettin
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = WUR } #Wurttemburg
command = { type = breakdynastic  which = THU } #Wurzburg
}

action_b = {
name = "We will reject this burden"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 } 
command = { type = relation which = BAD value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = MUN value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = BRE value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = HAN value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = HES value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = POM value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = HOL value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = KLE value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = KOL value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = LOR value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = MEC value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = OLD value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = PFA value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = SLZ value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = WUR value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = THU value = 200 }
}
}


#######################
# Reaction to Germany #
#######################
event = { 
id = 999998
random = no
country = ENG
#Trigged by The German Crown (durch Kraft) event

name = "Reaction to Germany"
desc = "The forceful revival of the medieval Kingdom of Germany has alarmed 
courts throughout Europe, and hostile reaction is forming against this usurper 
state. There is a strong call for severing ties and declaring war on this so-
called German kingdom."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Bad news"
command = { type = casusbelli which = HEI value = 4812 }
command = { type = relation which = HEI value = -250 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 250 } #rallying support
command = { type = INF which = 5 value = -2 } #foreign nobles
}

action_b = {
name = "Seek their friendship"
command = { type = diplomats value = -1 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}

KingMississippi · Jul 2, 2004

Event

Option A looks good to me except the non-German countries probably need a reaction. France, Italy, Papacy, Poland, Hungary, Denmark.
France because it was so anti-Empire throughout the EU time period. Italy because technically it was a part of the HRE (perhaps an event to claim the KoI as part of the HRE after we get this done)
Papacy because of the HRE - papal relationship
Poland because it too has interests in the German minors (one of them rules it eventually). Hungary because of its interests with Austria and Bohemia. Denmark because of its desire to control North Germany and the Baltics.
The cores still need to be decided exactly what to do, but I guess we need to see the play balance first. I have a feeling it will do alot to the balance of power in European politics.

Option B needs to have some benifits for the player. I would rather take the hit and lose stability, centralization, cash for all of those cores if the only benefit was to lose stability if I decline. I think better relations with the German minors, added centralization (focusing on a smaller nation), etc.

Mettermrck · Jul 2, 2004

KingMississippi said:
Option A looks good to me except the non-German countries probably need a reaction. France, Italy, Papacy, Poland, Hungary, Denmark.

Underneath the list of German reactions, you can see other countries reactions....I have some of the ones you mention and can add the others. I like the idea about the benefits for option B. Not everybody might want to unify Germany by force, particularly if the player is the Hapsburgs and we ever do other methods.

KingMississippi · Jul 2, 2004

Reactions

I guess the only ones you need to add are Poland and Italy. I think Italy's needs to be benificial to them (additional troops +forts) as the Holy Roman Empire's first expansion would be to reclaim the Kingdom of Italy for the Empire.

Mettermrck · Jul 2, 2004

KingMississippi said:
I guess the only ones you need to add are Poland and Italy. I think Italy's needs to be benificial to them (additional troops +forts) as the Holy Roman Empire's first expansion would be to reclaim the Kingdom of Italy for the Empire.

True enough. Italy's would almost make a unique path of their own, by virtue of their history with Germany. If we get this accomplished, then perhaps later we can move on to events for a Kingdom of Germany interacting with an Italy and other neighbors, particularly expanding into greater boundaries.

KingMississippi · Jul 2, 2004

I like the formation event

I think the formation event looks good. I think we just need to decide on the cores and test it out.

unmerged(6159) · Jul 2, 2004

Here is how I would change it.

Code:

##################################
# The German Crown (durch Kraft) #
##################################
event = { 
id = 999999
random = no
country = BRA
trigger = { 	owned = { province = 346 data = -1 } #Mainz
		owned = { province = 345 data = -1 } #Pfalz
		owned = { province = 328 data = -1 } #Bohemia
		owned = { province = 312 data = -1 } #Brandenburg
		owned = { province = 331 data = -1 } #Sachsen
		owned = { province = 344 data = -1 } #Koln
		owned = { province = 349 data = -1 } #Bayern
		owned = { province = 310 data = -1 } #Hannover
		emperor = yes
		atwar = no #must be at peace
                NOT = { badboy = 10 }
	  }

name = "The German Crown"
desc = "Through a sustained campaign of military conquest, clever diplomatic 
maneuver, and stalwart will, Brandenburg has positioned itself, so that the 
Crown of Germany is now within reach. By overcoming all of the Imperial 
Electors and major rivals in Germany, and in particular, humbling the Emperor 
himself, Brandenburg now has a claim to the German Crown that, if anathema 
to the nations of Europe, is clearly established by force."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1820 }
[color=red] offset = 800[/color]
action_a = {
name = "The Crown is Mine"
                 command = { type = badboy value = 8 } 
                 command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 5 }
                 command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
                 command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
                 command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
                 command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
                 [color=red]command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
                 command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
                 command = { type = revolt which = -1 } 
                 command = { type = revolt which = -1 }[/color]
                 command = { type = stability value = -5 }
                 command = { type = treasury value = -1500 } #extravagant  coronation
                 command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 3 } 
                 command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -3 } 
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Saxony's Reaction - permanent casus belli, -250 relations
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Baden's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Bavaria's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Berg's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Bremen's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Hannover's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Hessen's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Pommerania's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Holstein's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Kleves' Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Koln's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Lorraine's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Mecklenburg's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Oldenburg's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Palatinate's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Stettin's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Wurttemberg's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Wurzburg's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #England's Reaction 
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #France's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Spain's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Castille's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Aragon's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Portugal's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Burgundy's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Papacy's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Austria's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Poland's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Lithuania's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Denmark's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Sweden's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Teutonic Order's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Prussia's Reaction
                 command = { type = trigger which = xxxx } #Italy's Reaction
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = BAD } #Baden
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = BAY } #Bavaria
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = MUN } #Berg
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = BRE } #Bremen
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = HAN } #Hannover
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = HES } #Hesse
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = POM } #Pommerania
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = HOL } #Holstein
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = KLE } #Kleves
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = KOL } #Koln
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = LOR } #Lorraine
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = MEC } #Mecklenburg
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = OLD } #Oldenburg
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = PFA } #Palatinate
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = SLZ } #Stettin
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = WUR } #Wurttemburg
                 command = { type = breakdynastic  which = THU } #Wurzburg
}

action_b = {
name = "We will reject this burden"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 } 
command = { type = relation which = BAD value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = MUN value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = BRE value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = HAN value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = HES value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = POM value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = HOL value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = KLE value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = KOL value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = LOR value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = MEC value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = OLD value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = PFA value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = SLZ value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = WUR value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = THU value = 200 }
[color=red]command = { type = sleepevent which = 8888888 }[/color]
}
}
#NEW EVENTS
event = { 
id = 8888888
random = no
country = BRA
trigger = { 
               event = 999999
                NOT = {event = 88888889}
               stability = 3
               atwar = no #must be at peace
               owned = { province = 346 data = -1 } #Mainz
           	owned = { province = 345 data = -1 } #Pfalz
		owned = { province = 328 data = -1 } #Bohemia
		owned = { province = 312 data = -1 } #Brandenburg
		owned = { province = 331 data = -1 } #Sachsen
		owned = { province = 344 data = -1 } #Koln
		owned = { province = 349 data = -1 } #Bayern
		owned = { province = 310 data = -1 } #Hannover
#		emperor = yes#on second thoughts if yesterdays losers decided to elect an anti-emperor who cares?
	  }

name = "The German Crown"
desc = "The world is forced to acknowledge our imperial claims to all of Germany."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1820 }
offset = 800

action_a = {
name = "Excellent" #Excellent
command = { type = remove_countryculture which = french } #if Lorraine, magyar and czech if Austria, need to check for others
command = { type = addcore which = 374 } #Alsace
command = { type = addcore which = 332 } #Anhalt
command = { type = addcore which = 348 } #Ansbach
command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Austria
command = { type = addcore which = 373 } #Baden
command = { type = addcore which = 349 } #Bayern
command = { type = addcore which = 312 } #Brandenburg
command = { type = addcore which = 336 } #Bremen
command = { type = addcore which = 310 } #Hannover
command = { type = addcore which = 333 } #Hessen
command = { type = addcore which = 302 } #Hinterpommern
command = { type = addcore which = 306 } #Holstein
command = { type = addcore which = 343 } #Kleves
command = { type = addcore which = 313 } #Kustrin
command = { type = addcore which = 344 } #Koln
command = { type = addcore which = 375 } #Lorraine
command = { type = addcore which = 311 } #Magdeburg
command = { type = addcore which = 346 } #Mainz
command = { type = addcore which = 305 } #Mecklenburg
command = { type = addcore which = 334 } #Munster
command = { type = addcore which = 335 } #Oldenburg
command = { type = addcore which = 327 } #Ostmarch
command = { type = addcore which = 345 } #Pfalz
command = { type = addcore which = 331 } #Sachsen
command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Salzburg
command = { type = addcore which = 371 } #Tirol
command = { type = addcore which = 304 } #Vorpommern
command = { type = addcore which = 372 } #Wurttemberg
command = { type = addcore which = 347 } #Wurzburg
command = { type = country which = HEI }
#this would also sleep certain leaders so that they can be avialble for HEI
}
}

event = { 
id = 8888889
random = no
country = BRA
trigger = { 
               event = 9999999
                NOT = {
                    OR = {
                        owned = { province = 346 data = -1 } #Mainz
                      	owned = { province = 345 data = -1 } #Pfalz
		        owned = { province = 328 data = -1 } #Bohemia
		        owned = { province = 312 data = -1 } #Brandenburg
		        owned = { province = 331 data = -1 } #Sachsen
		        owned = { province = 344 data = -1 } #Koln
		        owned = { province = 349 data = -1 } #Bayern
		        owned = { province = 310 data = -1 } #Hannover
                            }
                     }
	  }
name = "The German Crown"
desc = "We have failed to force the world to acknowledge our imperial claims to all of Germany."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1820 }
offset = 50#must be shorter than the other one

action_a = {
name = "Alas" #Alas
command = { type = sleepevent which = 8888888 }
}
}




#######################
# Reaction to Germany #
#######################
event = { 
id = 999998
random = no
country = ENG
#Trigged by The German Crown (durch Kraft) event

name = "Reaction to Germany"
desc = "The forceful revival of the medieval Kingdom of Germany has alarmed 
courts throughout Europe, and hostile reaction is forming against this usurper 
state. There is a strong call for severing ties and declaring war on this so-
called German kingdom."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Bad news"
command = { type = casusbelli which = HEI value = 4812 }
command = { type = relation which = HEI value = -250 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 250 } #rallying support
command = { type = INF which = 5 value = -2 } #foreign nobles
}

action_b = {
name = "Seek their friendship"
command = { type = diplomats value = -1 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}

KingMississippi · Jul 2, 2004

That solves when to give the cores.

"We have failed to force the world to acknowledge our imperial claims to all of Germany."

How exactly is this triggered and why?

unmerged(6159) · Jul 2, 2004

It's pretty simple. When you make the claim your stability goes to -3, and everyone hates you and has a CB etc. So now it's a race. If you can hold on to all of the electoral provinces and get you stability to +3 while and achieve peace, you will get all the cores. If you lose any one of the electoral provinces you have failed to assert you rights and you can never become HEI. All it really does is prevent the other one (8888888) from happening.

If that event didn't exist you could claim the throne in 1450 and get it in 1800, whcih makes no sense at all.

unmerged(21468) · Jul 2, 2004

Is there a reason the HEI tag is being used instead of the GER tag? Isn't only the kingdom of Germany and not the entire empire being unified?

unmerged(6159) · Jul 2, 2004

I copied Mettermrck

doktarr · Jul 2, 2004

I agree, the GER tag would be the right choice. Obviously making sure it doesn't already exist should be a trigger.

I think the BB trigger should be a little higher, maybe 15. If you can make emperor, that shows that you at least have the support of the folks that matter.

I don't think the CBs should last 400 years. At some point Germany is just another nation, no matter how unlawful its formation was. I think 60 years (two generations, as it were) is the rational limit of the CBs.

Other than that, it looks great.

unmerged(6159) · Jul 2, 2004

doktarr said:
I don't think the CBs should last 400 years. At some point Germany is just another nation, no matter how unlawful its formation was. I think 60 years (two generations, as it were) is the rational limit of the CBs.

Except for the German minors that the new Germany has cores on (and maybe the Papal States). They should keep their CBs forever - the very existance of a centralized HRE threatens their autonomy. For non-German states I agree completely.

Mettermrck · Jul 2, 2004

HunterX said:
Is there a reason the HEI tag is being used instead of the GER tag? Isn't only the kingdom of Germany and not the entire empire being unified?

I designed the event before 1.08 came out, utilizing the new CK tags, so there was only HEI, but now that we got GER, we can switch to that. I like how you've written up the changes, Isaac, and I think that's in keeping with the brute-force method. 'Now that you've taken the land and staked your claim, you gotta hold it while you bring your stability up', which will be quite a challenge if the reaction events are severe enough, which is our intention. So I edited my own event file to match yours. I'm amenable to limiting non-German country CBs to 60 years while German minors more permanent CBs (400 years). As for the higher badboy, that sounds like something we'll know better in testing. I'm anxious now to get something drafted and tried out and then we can see if BB values need to be tinkered with. What do you guys think of what we've got now?

KingMississippi · Jul 2, 2004

I Agree

I think it looks good. Testing for what level of badboy and if it works to create a protestant HRE is what it needs now.

KingMississippi · Jul 8, 2004

Update

Update? Nobody's said anything about this topic and I dont want it to die.

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