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The more I think about this, the more I'm in favor of making this an Austrian based campaign.
Exactly, I think you would find wide acceptance of a fantasy German unification event that focused on the Habsburgs or in the later game, Brandenburg/Prussia. As I recall, this was something that was discussed over a year ago, but was killed. The time may now be ripe...
 

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As discussed earlier the most likely turning point would be the Hungarian inheritance event. I re-scripted this event to allow Austria to refuse inheritance (except for Hungarian-held German provinces), which leaves Hungary intact as if it chose to not hand over the crown to Ferdinand - without the negative effects. I figured the fact that they offered the crown was good enough to avoid the negative repercussions; it isn't their fault that Ferdinand said 'no thanks'.

Of course, if Austria refuses the Hungarian crown it's quite possible they'll leave an intact and very large Hungarian neighbor on their border, depending on how the Ottomans fared.

(off-topic: I ran a 50-year test with 1.07b and for the first time I saw the Ottomans expand quickly and effectively to cover most of their core provinces. Very nice.)

The Bohemian event I left alone, although Austria gets addcores on German Bohemian provinces if it doesn't inherit either Hungary or Bohemia. Since the Bohemian event occurs prior to the Hungarian event, I didn't think it reasonable to deprive Austria of the czech provinces or culture if it did, indeed, inherit Bohemia. However, if it doesn't get Bohemia in the event then it'll never get czech culture or cores. And in terms of play, neither the culture nor the czech provinces count for much anyway, so I didn't think this was terribly unbalanced.

The next step, which I'm working on now, is scripting an event for each German minor to allow Austria to get cores on the minor *after* it takes the province(s) the minor starts the game with. I'm assuming that, for example, if Austria takes Saxony and tries to claim it as part of 'greater Germany', it can only do so if no Saxony exists to contest the claim. So, no cores until after conquest. Conquer and thou shalt have cores. No freebies for the aspiring German Emperor.

I left the abdication events alone because I think it's still possible for them to occur. Charles would no doubt find a 'greater German' just as much a headache as the historical Habsburg Empire (those fractious Germans), and it's still quite likely that religious division will exist within the German provinces.

The only question I'm left with now is if there should be any 'intermediary' events along the way to unification. At this point the sequence is:

- refuse or not be offered Hungary; go the German route
- get cores on conquered German minors, after the fact

Well, that's pretty simple. Not a great deal of excitement, but I can't think of anything interesting to put in intermediary steps. On the brighter side, this absolutely avoids any deterministic progression.

One thing I do think is necessary is to add BB to the conquest of each minor, an addition of 1BB per province that the minor started the game with. This will slow down Austria and make a quick, wide-spread conquest attempt an almost certain trigger for a full-scale European war. I figure Austria is upsetting the balance of power, and needs to do so slowly, over the course of generations, to avoid alarming everyone around them.

Ideas? Thoughts? Criticism? After I do all the minors I'm going to try a test game and see how things go.

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I like your ideas, max. I'm undecided about Bohemia, though. Ideally, I see this unified German state as being just for the Germans, but Bohemia was technically considered part of Germany... If shields on Bohemian lands are going to be allowed, I would prefer them being on all of Bohemia, not just on the German-cultured lands. However, I prefer that there not be shields there at all.

Also, I think that Brandenburg should definitely be able to unify as well.
 

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I like your ideas, max. I'm undecided about Bohemia, though. Ideally, I see this unified German state as being just for the Germans, but Bohemia was technically considered part of Germany... If shields on Bohemian lands are going to be allowed, I would prefer them being on all of Bohemia, not just on the German-cultured lands. However, I prefer that there not be shields there at all.

Also, I think that Brandenburg should definitely be able to unify as well.

Actually, the way I have it set up for the test is like this:

- if you inherit Bohemia you get the cores and the czech culture, just like you normally would. Since this is prior to the Austrian decision to 'go German', it seems to make sense. In terms of game play I don't think it makes that much of a difference (i.e., you're giving up all but one province of Hungary - and the attendant cultures - for the opportunity, which could be big if Hungary is still intact).

But really, I just left it alone because it happens prior to the decision point, and because there are only three czech provinces and they aren't especially lucrative. They certainly don't make up for what you could get if you take the Hungarian crown.

- if you don't inherit Bohemia you get no cores on czech provinces and no czech culture. If you then pick the German option on the Hungarian inheritance you'll get two cores on Bohemian provinces (Silesia and Ertz) but you won't get cores on the czech provinces nor czech culture. Without the Bohemian inheritance there's no 'legitimacy' for either the provinces or the culture. Make sense?

Oh, I should note. I believe that czech culture might come with the Austrian startup, but I've modified my game heavily and didn't keep copies of the original inc files. I removed czech culture so that the Austrians only start with german. Although I see that culture is given to the Austrians with the Bohemian event, and I don't believe that's one of my changes. Guess I should keep better records of my alterations.

I suppose you could remove the culture or the cores on the provinces if you go the German route. If you do, however, I don't think this should be immediate but some time after both the Bohemian and Hungarian events (to reflect the Czechs being squeezed out of an increasingly German society and government).

That would make for an interesting intermediary event, anyway, even if it won't really amount to much in the long run. Call it 'Czech Disaffection'.

The total BB add above and beyond what you get for conquering/annexing Germany is around 30 points. This seems like a decent amount to me, if all you get in return are cores and perhaps a shiny new flag. If there are more benefits, like 'Nascent German Nationalism' - +1 tax base to all German provinces - then additional penalties need to be applied.

What would be great is if folks could come up with some interesting intermediary events that don't require that you first conquer group a, then group b, etc., although having to hold provinces c, d, e, f would be reasonable triggers. The 'first conquer this, then conquer that' stuff works great for some nations, but in Germany you can pretty much pick any direction, or even hodge-podge about the area picking up minors. Giving the player the most choice possible would be good.

Max
 

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These are the modified Hungarian events. The original sequence is a bit convoluted, and this more so:

#The Death of King Lajos of Hungary#
event = {

id = 3639 #Previous 1526 Hungarian (Siebenburgen exists) event#
trigger = {
exists = HAB
control = { province = 353 data = TUR }#Pest
control = { province = 325 data = TUR }#Magyar
control = { province = 324 data = TUR }#Maros
owned = { province = 353 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 325 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 324 data = -1 }
}
random = no
country = HUN
name = "EVENTNAME3639"
desc = "EVENTHIST3184" #changed the description, more suitable imo :)#
style = 2

date = { day = 13 month = march year = 1516 } #earlier startdate-they year Lajos took the throne#
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 21 month = july year = 1540 } #The death of Janos I Zapolya#

action_a ={ #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria#
name = "ACTIONNAME3639B"
command = { type = trigger which = 3185 } #HAB#
}
action_b ={ #Elect Johan Zapolya of Siebenbürgen#
name = "ACTIONNAME3639A" #This is Die-Hard independence option.#
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -200 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 15000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = trigger which = 27001 }
}
}


#The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary# #Habsburg#
event = {

id = 3185 #Triggered by HUN3639#
random = no
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME3185"
desc = "EVENTHIST3185"
style = 2

action_a ={ #I will be crowned King of Hungary#
name = "ACTIONNAME3185A"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = magyar }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = slovak }
command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 150 }
command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -200 }
command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = -3 }
command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 2 }
command = { type = addcore which = 326 }
command = { type = addcore which = 352 }
command = { type = addcore which = 367 }
command = { type = addcore which = 316 }
command = { type = addcore which = 353 }
command = { type = addcore which = 317 }
command = { type = addcore which = 325 }
command = { type = addcore which = 354 }
command = { type = addcore which = 323 }
command = { type = addcore which = 324 }
command = { type = addcore which = 366 }
command = { type = addcore which = 355 } #Perhaps add war command with Ottomans?#
command = { type = trigger which = 27000 }
}
action_b ={ #I will be King of Germany, not Hungary#
name = "I will be King of Germany, not Hungary"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = addcore which = 314 }
command = { type = addcore which = 329 }
command = { type = addcore which = 352 }
command = { type = removecore which = 368 }
command = { type = trigger which = 27001 }
}
}

#The Death of King Lajos of Hungary#
event = {

id = 27000 #Previous 1526 Hungarian (Siebenburgen exists) event#

random = no
country = HUN
style = 2

name = "Ferdinand Accepts the Crown"
desc = "Ferdinand Hapsburg of Austria has consented to become King of Hungary."

action_a ={ #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria#
name = "ACTIONNAME3639B"
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06267 }#no effect, but i will leave it here.
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06284 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06285 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06286 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06287 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06288 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06289 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06290 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06291 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06292 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06293 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06294 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06295 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06296 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06297 }
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 06298 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06268 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06269 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06270 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06271 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06272 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06273 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06274 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06275 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06276 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06277 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06278 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06279 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 06280 }
command = { type = trigger which = 3645 } #TUR#
command = { type = trigger which = 3185 } #HAB#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 316 } #Hungarian provinces. Now, where should Magyar go i am not sure#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 326 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 352 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 367 } #plus few provinces possibly conquered by Hungary , outside Ottoman reach#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 368 } #Istria#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 315 } #Bohemia#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 314 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 329 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 330 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 328 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 330 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 369 } #Steimark#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #Ostmarch#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 350 } #Salzburg#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 323 } #Transylvania#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 317 } #Ruthenia#
}

}

#The Death of King Lajos of Hungary#
event = {

id = 27001

random = no
country = HUN
style = 2

name = "Ferdinand Refuses the Crown"
desc = "Ferdinand Hapsburg of Austria has refused to become King of Hungary, leaving the crown to Johan Zapolya of Siebenbürgen. Our German and Czech possessions will still become the property of Austria."

action_a ={ #Elect Johan Zapolya of Siebenbürgen#
name = "ACTIONNAME3639A"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 314 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 315 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 328 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 329 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 330 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 352 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #In case Hungary took some of
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 350 } #Austria's provinces
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 369 } #
command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 371 } #
command = { type = trigger which = 28000 }
}
}

#The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary# #Only Heir#
event = {

id = 3184
trigger = {
exists = HUN
NOT = {
event = 3639
}
}
random = no
country = HAB
name = "EVENTNAME3098"
desc = "EVENTHIST3098"
style = 2

date = { day = 22 month = july year = 1540 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 23 month = july year = 1540 }

action_a ={ #I will be crowned King of Hungary#
name = "ACTIONNAME3185A"
command = { type = inherit which = HUN }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = magyar }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = slovak }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = -3 }
command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 2 }
command = { type = addcore which = 326 }
command = { type = addcore which = 352 }
command = { type = addcore which = 367 }
command = { type = addcore which = 316 }
command = { type = addcore which = 353 }
command = { type = addcore which = 317 }
command = { type = addcore which = 325 }
command = { type = addcore which = 354 }
command = { type = addcore which = 323 }
command = { type = addcore which = 324 }
command = { type = addcore which = 366 }
command = { type = addcore which = 355 }
}
action_b ={ #I will be King of Germany, not Hungary#
name = "I will be King of Germany, not Hungary"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = addcore which = 314 }
command = { type = addcore which = 329 }
command = { type = addcore which = 352 }
command = { type = removecore which = 368 }
command = { type = trigger which = 27001 }
}
}
 
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This is the acquisition series:

#The Road to Germany#
event = {

id = 28000 #Triggered by 27001#

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

name = "The Road to Germany"
desc = "Historically Austria, a German country, went on to inherit Hungary, becoming an empire of many cultures and peoples. This proved to be as much a curse as a boon, as the disparate social groups were often at odds with one another, especially when it came to governing the empire as a whole. If Ferdinand had refused the Hungarian crown in 1540 and decided to instead concentrate on unifying the various German states, which he already ruled in name as Emperor, the nation of Germany might have become a reality centuries earlier than it did. (You can now build the German Empire)."

action_a = { #Germany it is#
name = "We're off to see the wizard!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Pommern#
event = {

id = 28001
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 302 data = HAB }
owned = { province = 304 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = POM
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With all of Pommern conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 302 }
command = { type = addcore which = 304 }
command = { type = badboy value = 2 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Brandenburg#
event = {

id = 28002
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 312 data = HAB }
owned = { province = 313 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = BRA
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With all of Brandenburg conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 312 }
command = { type = addcore which = 313 }
command = { type = badboy value = 2 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Magdeburg#
event = {

id = 28003
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 311 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = MAG
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Magdeburg conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 311 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Saxony#
event = {

id = 28004
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 331 data = HAB }
owned = { province = 332 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = SAC
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With all of Saxony conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 331 }
command = { type = addcore which = 332 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Hannover#
event = {

id = 28005
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 310 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = HAN
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Hannover conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 310 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Mecklemburg#
event = {

id = 28006
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 305 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = MEC
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Mecklemburg conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 305 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Holstein#
event = {

id = 28007
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 306 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = SHL
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Holstein conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 306 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Bremen#
event = {

id = 28008
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 336 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = BRE
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Bremen conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 336 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Hessen#
event = {

id = 28009
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 333 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = HES
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Hessen conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 333 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Kleves#
event = {

id = 28010
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 343 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = KLE
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Kleves conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 343 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Munster#
event = {

id = 28011
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 334 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = MUN
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Munster conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 334 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Oldenburg#
event = {

id = 28012
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 335 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = OLD
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Oldenburg conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 335 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Wurttemburg#
event = {

id = 28013
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 372 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = WUR
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Wurttemburg conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 372 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Baden#
event = {

id = 28014
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 373 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = BAD
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Baden conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 373 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Mainz#
event = {

id = 28015
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 346 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = MAI
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Mainz conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 346 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Alsace#
event = {

id = 28016
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 374 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = STR
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Strassburg conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 374 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Pfalz#
event = {

id = 28017
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 345 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = PFA
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Pfalz conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 345 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Luxembourg#
event = {

id = 28018
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 377 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = LUX
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Luxembourg conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 377 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Koln#
event = {

id = 28019
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 344 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = KOL
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Koln conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 344 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Danzig#
event = {

id = 28020
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 301 data = HAB }
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "Danzig, with its German peoples, now lie within the proper domain of the Empire."

action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 301 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Wurzburg#
event = {

id = 28025
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 347 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = THU
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Koln conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."



action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 347 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
}
}

#Expanding the German Empire: Wurzburg#
event = {

id = 28026
trigger = {
event = 28000
owned = { province = 348 data = HAB }
owned = { province = 349 data = HAB }
NOT = {
exists = BAY
}
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 3

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1545 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1821 }

name = "Expanding the German Empire"
desc = "With Koln conquered no one else has a better claim to these lands than the German Emperor."



action_a = { #for the greater glory of the German Empire!#
name = "For the greater glory of the German Empire!"
command = { type = addcore which = 348 }
command = { type = addcore which = 349 }
command = { type = badboy value = 2 }
}
}
 
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These are the other events I cooked up:

#Moving the Capitol#
event = {

id = 28021
trigger = { owned = { province = 327 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 350 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 351 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 369 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 371 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 332 data = -1 } #Anhalt
owned = { province = 312 data = -1 } #Brandenburg
owned = { province = 333 data = -1 } #Hessen
owned = { province = 346 data = -1 } #Mainz
owned = { province = 331 data = -1 } #Sachsen
owned = { province = 347 data = -1 } #Wurzburg
event = 28000
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1550 }
offset = 360
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1819 }

name = "Moving the Capitol"
desc = "After a number of states were absorbed into the Empire, the idea of moving the capitol out of Austria and into a more centrally located province was entertained. It was thought that such a move would go a long ways towards convincing the Germans that the nation was actually a German one, and not a collection of subject territories held by Austria, a Germany in name only."

action_a = { #Move the capitol to Wurzburg#
name = "Move the capitol to Wurzburg"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -100 }
command = { type = capital which = 347 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 347 value = 4 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = -4 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
}

action_b = { #Move the capitol to Brandenburg#
name = "Move the capitol to Brandenburg"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -100 }
command = { type = capital which = 312 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 312 value = 4 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = -4 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
}

action_c = { #Move the capitol to Hessen#
name = "Move the capitol to Hessen"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -100 }
command = { type = capital which = 333 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 333 value = 4 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 351 value = -4 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
}

action_d = { #Leave the capitol where it is#
name = "Leave the capitol where it is"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 28023 }
}
}
#The Reforms of the New Government#
event = {

id = 28022
trigger = {
event = 28021
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1610 }
offset = 360
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1819 }

name = "The Reforms of the New Government"
desc = "Many governmental and bureaucratic functions were duplicated amongst the various German states. With the consolidation of states into the Empire also came the opportunity to streamline the bureaucracy. On the other hand, the Empire could promise to leave the existing institutions intact - for a price, of course."

action_a = { #Enact the reforms#
name = "Enact the reforms"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = treasury value = -250 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
}

action_b = { #Things are fine the way they are#
name = "Cash on hand sounds like a better deal"
command = { type = treasury value = 500 }
}
}

#Rising German Nationalism#
event = {

id = 28023
trigger = { owned = { province = 327 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 350 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 351 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 369 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 371 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 332 data = -1 } #Anhalt
owned = { province = 312 data = -1 } #Brandenburg
owned = { province = 333 data = -1 } #Hessen
owned = { province = 346 data = -1 } #Mainz
owned = { province = 331 data = -1 } #Sachsen
owned = { province = 347 data = -1 } #Wurzburg

stability = 3
event = 28021
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1625 }
offset = 360
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1819 }

name = "Rising German Nationalism"
desc = "Moving the government to a more central location proved to have the desired effect, convincing many that the nation was truly German, rather than an extended Austrian empire. For the first time people began to see themselves as German, rather than citizens of Saxony, or Brandenburg, or Hessen. The beginnings of unification provided an opportunity for economic improvement and expansion by flanning the flames of a new patriotism."

action_a = { #Germany is for Germans#
name = "Germany is for Germans"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -250 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 1 }
}

action_b = { #Tolerance is the better policy#
name = "Tolerance is the better policy"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 28024 }
}
}

#Czech Disaffection#
event = {

id = 28024
trigger = { OR = {
owned = { province = 315 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 328 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 330 data = -1 }
}
event = 28023
}

random = no
country = HAB
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1650 }
offset = 360
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1819 }

name = "Czech Disaffection"
desc = "Over time the Czechs became increasingly disaffected with the German state as they were slowly squeezed out of the German society and government. Disenfranchised and disillusioned, they began to see themselves as a subjugated people rather than citizens of their country."

action_a = { #That's too bad#
name = "That's too bad"
command = { type = remove_countryculture which = czech }
command = { type = removecore which = 315 }
command = { type = removecore which = 328 }
command = { type = removecore which = 330 }
}
}
 
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I'll examine the events more thoroughly in a few days when I get back from vacation, but they look good at first glance. I like your reasoning on the Czechs. Are any thoughts on what to do with the Dutch provinces? Should they be applicable for Germany until the Dutch Revolts?

This thread by Fate discusses his unification events; see if you get any ideas from it. :)
 

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If we want unification events for Germany I would like to suggest having two series. One for the unification and centralization of the Holy Roman Empire, and one for the creation of Germany. If you are the ruler of a catholic country you will become the HRE when you control all of the catholic provinces in Germany. And if are the ruler of a protestant or reformed country you will become Germany (or perhaps simple Prussia to save a tag) when you control all protestant and reformed provinces in Germany. Perhaps other demand would be in order, but I guess you get the direction I'm heading in.

Following one change into Germany (Prussia) or the Holy Roman Empire one would gain shields on the German provinces as one conquers them. Also gaining shield this way should be give 1 BB point and -1 centralization.
 

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everytime you annex another nation you lose -1 Centralization

at least in the newest beta patches that is.

BTW, the "Path not taken" events look pretty good.
good job MaxPublic.

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maxpublic events

I'm sold! Good job, very impressive. I'll have to add these events in soon to see how they impact a hands-off game. Thanks for creating another road less traveled.
 

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Originally posted by Jester
everytime you annex another nation you lose -1 Centralization

Hmm... to be best of my knowlegde this applies only to diplo-annexation and not force-annexation or have I missed something?
 

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If you are going to have the Inheritance of Hungary be a major factor in Austria's unification events, wouldn't it be better to see how the Inheritance is going to be handled first? I certainly hope that it will be different from the standard Paradox sequence.
 

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Well, I played through a test game to 1710. The events all fire correctly, but frankly I can't see the point in even trying to unify Germany under these conditions. The reasons:

- as the Austrians you have German culture. You can do it anyway. The only thing you'll lose out on are cores (*after conquest*, big deal) and a couple of tailored events.

- you'll get around 30 more bb than you would if you conquer the provinces normally. This really, really bites. BTW, the bb wars triggered for me when I had 24 of a possible 36 bb at the time they started; I had to fight off France, England, Spain, a monster Lithuania, and the biggest Hungary I'd ever seen, not to mention a dozen or so associated minors (including a Papacy which had united almost all of Italy).

- you lose out on czech, magyar, and slavonic cultures.

- if Hungary is large you lose all the Hungarian possessions, plus leave a now rather hostile neighbor on your borders (as if you need another hostile neighbor).

Overall the price isn't worth it. I could've gone the normal route and ended up much stronger, with more cultures and less bb, and still have unified Germany.

So as is, I don't see the point in even going this route. The price is high and the payoff doesn't make up for it. It's overboard on the negative side, like my old Italian events were. At the end you really haven't accomplished anything you couldn't have done otherwise; you've just made it deliberately harder on yourself.

If the event series is to be successful, the reward needs to be worth the effort. Any suggestions?

Off-topic: even without Hungary, by 1710 my German Empire stretched from the French to the Russian border and was about to embark on a WC to see how far I could get before time ran out. However, if I'd gone the normal route and picked up Hungary I could've started the whole WC gig a century earlier.

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If you are going to have the Inheritance of Hungary be a major factor in Austria's unification events, wouldn't it be better to see how the Inheritance is going to be handled first? I certainly hope that it will be different from the standard Paradox sequence.

The EEP and AGC handle this in basically the same way. I don't think this needs to be radically reworked, as it seems to go well now. Obviously triggers and stuff could be reconsidered, but I don't see this as bein an issue.

Max - I'd suggest setting a flag rather than having event 28000 triggered off a different event. This would also make it easier to adapt this sequence for other purposes (i.e., it might be nice to have an "I'm unifying Germany flag" for various nations.)

I don't see why just reducing the BB to 0.5 (say) wouldn't make this more attractive. Besides which I'm unconvinced by your agument that unifyign Germany should be an attractive proposition. If it was such a great idea how come no one tried it. Seems to me that if you decide to unify Germany you should be doing it for role playing reasons, not for in game advantage.

And I'm not sure you aren't underestimating the advantage of all those cores. German provinces are much richer than Hungary et al., and a Germany unified under Austria will be very robust - tougher than France I would think. Of course France can be formed with rather less BB!

And if you insist on makiig it more attractive it might be reasonable to give all the German conquistadors and explorers to the unifying Austria once it's exceeded a certain size.
 

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Max - I'd suggest setting a flag rather than having event 28000 triggered off a different event. This would also make it easier to adapt this sequence for other purposes (i.e., it might be nice to have an "I'm unifying Germany flag" for various nations.)

Good idea.

I don't see why just reducing the BB to 0.5 (say) wouldn't make this more attractive. Besides which I'm unconvinced by your agument that unifyign Germany should be an attractive proposition. If it was such a great idea how come no one tried it. Seems to me that if you decide to unify Germany you should be doing it for role playing reasons, not for in game advantage.

Different approach, I guess. I don't 'role-play' the game, so for me this is insufficient reason to consider going down a particular path.

As for the bb...the point is, it's still more attractive to annex Hungary and go the historical route. The only thing that makes it less attractive - and this is very specific to my game - is that the Austrians don't get slavonic culture if they inherit, only magyar. In a normal game they'd get four (!) cultures without modifications, while the germans end up with one.

And I'm not sure you aren't underestimating the advantage of all those cores. German provinces are much richer than Hungary et al., and a Germany unified under Austria will be very robust - tougher than France I would think. Of course France can be formed with rather less BB!

What I mainly saw was an absolutely ridiculous manpower rating. With the territories, cores, and sliders, my manpower was around 350. I've never seen it that high before.

Of course, with 1.07b there isn't a blue blazing chance in hell you'll ever have enough money to actually raise 350,000 men in one year - or, gods forbid, support them - so the whole manpower thing is moot.

And if you insist on makiig it more attractive it might be reasonable to give all the German conquistadors and explorers to the unifying Austria once it's exceeded a certain size.

Actually, I was thinking of making it a viable option *in comparison to inheriting Hungary*. I don't want to make the German Empire stronger than the historical route, just *different*. Right now, it's better to take Hungary.

If anything I think it should be less attractive to inherit Hungary, and so even the two options out. Go one way, get magyar culture and a lot of instant provinces, keep czech. Go the other way, forget Hungary and the two cultures, get...what? Okay, Austria under a player's command is already too powerful, so how to make the Hungarian inheritance less tasty?

But that alters the 'normal' events in-game, which I generally consider a no-no for a fantasy series. That is, if you choose to forego the fantasy option everything else follows normally, with no changes.

Kinda buggered at this point.

Edit: that is, not sure what to do if the events remain Austrian. They'd work out just fine for a German minor, since the series itself is balanced (i.e., trade cores for bb). Still, as has been argued so well, the Austrians are really the only ones who had any sort of early shot at this anyway.

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Different approach, I guess. I don't 'role-play' the game, so for me this is insufficient reason to consider going down a particular path.

Other than role playing what reason is there to unify Germany anyway?
 

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Well, if the merger's going to have a wider array of less-then-historical options, you could give this to the Austrians-maybe with a little less BB then already in it, or more in terms of $/DP rewards-if the Bohemia/Hungary inheritance events don't fire or aren't accepted. Build it as a whole chain, you could probably include stuff for the Turks, the Poles, and maybe even the Lithuanians.
 

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I like the events.
Just because it introduces an alternate history path to Austria, doesn't mean that the event needs to be equal to the other historical route. I should be hard to unify Germany. It wasn't done during the EU2 time frame. And gaining 1 BB in exchange fo r a core seems fairly good exchange.
This series of events would be even more meaningfull if some of the other possible changes to Germany are implemented, like
multiple german cultures to split up the different regions of Germany to show how disunited they were. Or German Independence events that would trigger based upon the owner not having CB-shields on the german state in question.
This series of events combined with a few other changes that make it harder for just anybody to conquer Germany would really make your events shine.

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