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YodaMaster said:
@Toio: *bump*

forgot, i will work on this now and give you a reply
 

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YodaMaster said:
There is nothing wrong with event 159049 actions, only with description.


I'm not sure I understand the modification for SWE_291024 and added dates. Will the event not be triggered by POM_259008 and GOT_367006 anymore?

amended post #76

in regards to GOT 367006, this is ahistorical, it would not play a part in the historic scenario involving only POM, DAN and SWE

Code:
#(1419-1459) The invasion of Gotland
event = {
	id = 159049 #triggered by GOT_367006 A
	random = no
	country = DAN
	name = "EVENTNAME159049" #The invasion of Gotland
	desc = "EVENTHIST159049"
	#-#[COLOR=Yellow]In 1449 the Swedish forces in Gotland aided Erik in the war against the Danes. While Erik was successful in defending the island, he realised that there was no way he could win the war. Therefore he agreed to leave Gotland to the Danes for safe passage to Pomerania.
[/COLOR]
	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME159049A" #Gotland is yet again under Danish rule
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = inherit which = GOT } #Gotland
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 338011 } #Random National: Merchants are being plundered
	}
}
 

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Ahistorical GOT sequence still triggers now reworked other events. it seems to me there is a consistency issue with this sequence.

In post #78 you marked triggering of GOT_367006 A in red but it is not removed in DAN_159049. Please check and post change(s) to be made to the corresponding GOT events for the whole sequence.

EDIT: EVENTHIST291024 and EVENTHIST159049 are exactly the same => EVENTHIST159049 used for both events.
 
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YodaMaster said:
Ahistorical GOT sequence still triggers now reworked other events. it seems to me there is a consistency issue with this sequence.

In post #78 you marked triggering of GOT_367006 A in red but it is not removed in DAN_159049. Please check and post change(s) to be made to the corresponding GOT events for the whole sequence.

EDIT: EVENTHIST291024 and EVENTHIST159049 are exactly the same => EVENTHIST159049 used for both events.


in case GOT exists, .......amended 159049

#(1419-1459) The invasion of Gotland
event = {
id = 159049 #triggered by GOT_367006 A
trigger = {
exists = GOT
}

random = no
country = DAN
name = "EVENTNAME259008" #The invasion of Gotland
desc = "EVENTHIST159049"
#-#In 1439 the Danish forces overrun and annex Gotland. Gotland agrees to Danish rule and everlasting peace under Erik.

date = { day = 11 month = may year = 1438 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1439 }


action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME159049A" #Gotland is yet again under Danish rule
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = inherit which = GOT } #Gotland
command = { type = sleepevent which = 338011 } #Random National: Merchants are being plundered
}
}


The swedish events 291024 can remain as is, i do not see an issue, now......... :confused:
 
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If GOT events are not reworked (or at least posted here with removed trigger commands), there is still an issue for proper compiling. I have to be sure of modifications to be made.

In reworked EVENTHIST159049, shouldn't past be used in the sentences? Or is it an ahistorical event?
 
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YodaMaster said:
If GOT events are not reworked (or at least posted here with removed trigger commands), there is still an issue for proper compiling. I have to be sure of modifications to be made.

In reworked EVENTHIST159049, shouldn't past be used in the sentences? Or is it an ahistorical event?

All GOT events are ahistorical ...........which brings me to a question on why are we wasting a TAG on them, do we need GOT?????
below is a brief history on Gotland

1361 owned by DAN

1394 owned by MEC

1395 owned by DAN

1398 sold by DAN to the Teutonic Knights

1408 sold by Teutonic Knights to Erik of Pommerania ,not denmark , but a personnel sale to Erik.

1439 when Erik was no longer king of kalmar union, he went back his owned land of gotland, Swedish troops where there as well, but did not fight Erik or his Pommeranian troops.

1448 King of DAN dies, and new king has a war against SWE for norway, Erik afraid that sweden might attack him ( which they do not) can only watch as DAN and SWE troops war against each other on the island of gotland. POM military own the only city of the island under Erik.
Erik negotiates save passage for him and his Pomeranian troops and gives the island to DAN in 1449 in exchange "free"
1449 owned by DAN
1451 SWE and DAN war end

1470 Gotland lose city status privileges with the hansetic league

1645 owned by SWE to present day


So, there is no GOT nation, unless people want Erik to rule in gotland from 1439 to 1449 as a gotlander :D ..........seems like a complete waste of a TAG for me.
 

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Good point, no idea why it was decided this way, if only for 10 years.

We have two options:
1. scrap GOT tag, but other HC members have to agree
2. rework GOT events, even if GOT will be scrapped in the future.

We can't stay with an "in between" sequence, even if ahistorical, anyway.
 
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YodaMaster said:
Good point, no idea why it was decided this way, if only for 10 years.

We have two options:
1. scrap GOT tag, but other HC members have to agree
2. rework GOT events, even if GOT will be scrapped in the future.

We can't stay with an "in between" sequence, even if ahistorical, anyway.

I leave that up to the vote

I have already given event to redirect history back on track with post #84
 
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Firstly, as of the latest release, what is Gotland's lifespan? Does it ever exist in-game, and if not, what are the realistic chances of it ever doing so (particularly when the Scandinavian nations are under AI control)?

Secondly, if we are indeed to scrap GOT, with what do we intend to replace it?
 

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Secondly, if we are indeed to scrap GOT, with what do we intend to replace it?
Ownership of the province by its right owner, I presume.
 
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Ownership of the province by its right owner, I presume.
No, no, sorry - I meant the tag... which country shall we have instead of Gotland? :)
 
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The tag will be freed for an unknown future better use. That's all.
Ah, okay. Well, count me in then - I vote we scrap the Land of Goats. :p
 

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yes, gotland is nothing but useless from a practical point of view.
AT LEAST if would start as an independent country with same "union of khalmar" events as the 3 other scandinavian have...then it might had been chalanging or something...
 

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Ok, GOT removed.

Gotland province will just be Danish at start but should events cede it to Pomerania at some point?
 

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Ok, GOT removed.

Gotland province will just be Danish at start but should events cede it to Pomerania at some point?


Yes, gotland will be danish and the new events in reagrds to POM with erik and gotland will take effect, ...that is POM will get gotland when Erik is dethroned, and hold it for about 10 years. then it will cede it back to DAN.
 

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Which events to be modified for cession of Gotland province by DAN to POM and reverse then?

Those where independence is granted to GOT and inherance is gained?
 

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GOT removed.

Here is the list of the events to be reworked:
SWE_291021: triggered by GOT_367001 only (SWE_291021 is used as condition in other events)
ProvinceSpec_338011: existence of GOT as country + GOT_367001 + provinces owned by GOT as conditions in trigger
DAN_159045: GOT_367000 slept in action_b => no problem, command removed
DAN_159045: ubdependence of GOT in action_a
DAN_159046: GOT_367000 as condition in trigger => no problem, replaced with DAN_159045
DAN_159046: GOT_367001 slept in action_b => no problem, command removed
DAN_159049: existence of GOT as country in trigger + inheritance of GOT
SWE_291022: existence of GOT as country in trigger + GOT_367006 triggered

What is to be done?
 

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#(1419-1459) Erik has lost support from Denmark
event = {
id = 291021 #triggered by GOT_367001
random = no
country = SWE
name = "EVENTNAME291021" #Erik has lost support from Denmark
desc = "EVENTHIST291021"
#-#When Erik retreated to Gotland and began pirating on merchants in the Baltic Sea he lost support from Denmark. This was viewed as an opportunity to seize the claim on Gotland the Swedish nobles had long wanted.

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1448 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1452 }


action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME291021A" #Gotland belongs to Sweden
command = { type = addcore which = 308 } #Gotland
command = { type = relation which = GOT DAN value = -400 -100 }
}
}

1448 should be start year, as historically when DAN and SWE went to war over norway, Sweden then made overtures for gotland as well, but only when Erik departed in 1449.

.............................................................

#(1449-1459) The invasion of Gotland is launched -1-
event = {
id = 291022
trigger = {
atwar = no
ai = yes
event = 291021 #SWE: Erik has lost support from Denmark
exists = GOT
}
random = no
country = SWE
name = "EVENTNAME291022" #The invasion of Gotland is launched
desc = "EVENTHIST291022"
#-#In 1449 the Swedish forces tried to invaded Gotland.

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1449 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1459 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME291022A" #Launch the invasion of Gotland
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = trigger which = 367006 } #GOT: The invasion of Gotland
}
}

fixed event, but I do not know why its written as it is?

........................................................................

#(1419-1439) Rebellion in Sweden
event = {
id = 159045
trigger = {
event = 159043 #Erik issues war taxes in Sweden
monarch = 042000 #Erik VII
vassal = { country = DAN country = SWE }
OR = {
control = { province = 254 data = REB } #Svealand
event = 3217 #SWE: The Engelbrekt Rebellion
}
}
random = no
country = DAN
name = "EVENTNAME159045" #Rebellion in Sweden
desc = "EVENTHIST159045"
#-#Following the wars against the counts of Holstein the unrest in Sweden was very high due to the war taxes imposed by Erik. In 1434 this resulted in major rebellion in northern and central Sweden. Erik had no choice but to sign a treaty that severely reduced his power in Sweden or face a full-scale Swedish war. He ended up signing the treaty and was now obliged to heed the advice of the Swedish State Council as well as only allow Swedish nobles to govern Swedish provinces. Erik was furious and left for his castle in Gotland, leaving the administration of Denmark in the hands of the Danish State Council.

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 4 month = april year = 1439 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME159045A" #Sign the treaty
command = { type = independence which = GOT } #Gotland - Erik leaves Denmark
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 100 }
command = { type = trigger which = 291019 } #SWE: Unrest in Sweden
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME159045B" #The treaty is unacceptable
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = -100 }
command = { type = trigger which = 291020 } #SWE: Rebellion in Sweden
command = { type = sleepevent which = 159046 } #DAN: The future heir
}
}

..................................................................

#(1419-1439) The future heir
event = {
id = 159046
trigger = {
event = 159045 #DAN: Rebellion in Sweden
OR = {
NOT = { stability = -2 }
year = 1437
}
}
random = no
country = DAN
name = "EVENTNAME159046" #The future heir
desc = "EVENTHIST159046"
#-#In 1437 the Danish State Council summoned Erik from Gotland because the increased unrest among the peasantry had unleashed a fullscale revolt. Erik arrived in Denmark with the demand that the State Council should accept Bogislaw IX of Pomerania as his heir. The Danish State Council rejected this demand and Erik returned to Gotland from where he began a profitable pirating business.

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1439 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME159046A" #Reject Bogislaw IX as the heir of Erik
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -100 } #Erik leaves with his treasures.
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = NOR value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = GOT value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = POM value = -100 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 } #Peasant revolt
command = { type = sleepevent which = 259007 } #POM: Bogislaw dies before Erik
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME159046B" #Accept Bogislaw IX as the heir of Erik
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = NOR value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = POM value = 50 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 } #Peasant revolt
command = { type = inherit which = GOT } #Gotland - Erik returns from Gotland
command = { type = trigger which = 259003 } #POM: Bogislaw IX is the heir to the Danish throne
}
}

POM remove because they where not yet involved

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#(1419-1459) Merchants are being plundered - Erik VII sequence - Random
event = {
id = 338011
trigger = {
year = 1439
NOT = { year = 1448 }

owned = { province = 308 data = POM } #Gotland
event = 367001 #GOT: Beginning of the pirating
exists = GOT
OR = {
AND = {
owned = { province = 307 data = -1 } #Sjælland
NOT = { owned = { province = 307 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 307 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 251 data = -1 } #Skåne
NOT = { owned = { province = 251 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 251 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 252 data = -1 } #Småland
NOT = { owned = { province = 252 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 252 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 254 data = -1 } #Svealand
NOT = { owned = { province = 254 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 254 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 1469 data = -1 } #Gästrikland
NOT = { owned = { province = 1469 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 1469 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 342 data = -1 } #Finland
NOT = { owned = { province = 342 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 342 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 265 data = -1 } #Nyland
NOT = { owned = { province = 265 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 265 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 275 data = -1 } #Ingermanland
NOT = { owned = { province = 275 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 275 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 276 data = -1 } #Estland
NOT = { owned = { province = 276 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 276 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 282 data = -1 } #Livland
NOT = { owned = { province = 282 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 282 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 283 data = -1 } #Kurland
NOT = { owned = { province = 283 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 283 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 289 data = -1 } #Memel
NOT = { owned = { province = 289 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 289 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 290 data = -1 } #Prussia
NOT = { owned = { province = 290 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 290 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 301 data = -1 } #Danzig
NOT = { owned = { province = 301 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 301 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 302 data = -1 } #Hinterpommern
NOT = { owned = { province = 302 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 302 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 304 data = -1 } #Vorpommern
NOT = { owned = { province = 304 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 304 data = POM } }
}
AND = {
owned = { province = 305 data = -1 } #Mecklenburg
NOT = { owned = { province = 305 data = GOT } }
NOT = { owned = { province = 305 data = POM } }
}
}

}
random = yes
name = "EVENTNAME338011" #Merchants are being plundered
desc = "EVENTHIST338011"
#-#Our merchants are being plundered by a pirate fleet operating out of Gotland under the command of Erik of Pomerania.

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME338011A" #This must come to an end!
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = merchants value = -1 }
command = { type = ADM which = -2 value = 6 }
command = { type = trade value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = GOT POM value = -50 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = GOT POM value = 12 }
}
}

.......................................................................

#(1438-1439) The invasion of Gotland
event = {
id = 159049
trigger = {
exists = GOT
owned = { province = 308 data = POM } #Gotland
}
random = no
country = DAN
name = "EVENTNAME259008" #The invasion of Gotland
desc = "EVENTHIST159049"
#-#In 1439 the Danish forces overrun and annex Gotland. Gotland agrees to Danish rule and everlasting peace under Erik.

date = { day = 11 month = may year = 1438 1441 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1439 1448 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME159049A" #Gotland is yet again under Danish rule
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = inherit which = GOT } #Gotland
command = { type = sleepevent which = 338011 } #Random National: Merchants are being plundered
command = { type = trigger which = 338011 } #Random National: Merchants are being plundered
}
}
 
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