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Toio said:
Is not alsace ....STR

The merger was in 1444 when the french demanded alsace, strasbourg and metz went under the "protection" of LOR. so I think it might be a game justication if
FRA dow LOR , then LOR annex alsace.

yes , STR should still be a vassal
STR is already vassal of Tyrol in 1419 and in alliance with Tyrol, Styria and Wirtemberg. What is best then?
 

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YodaMaster said:
STR is already vassal of Tyrol in 1419 and in alliance with Tyrol, Styria and Wirtemberg. What is best then?


history

An order instituted in 1416 under the name of the Order of Fidelity by the principal lords of the Duchy of Bar, for the purpose of putting an end to the perpetual conflicts between the Duchies of Bar and Lorraine, and uniting them under René of Anjou. The order, which was to last for five years, was made perpetual in 1422 and placed under thepatronage of St. Hubert. On the cession of the Duchies of Bar and Lorraine to France,

Frederick of Lorraine (house of Vaudemont) took possession/suzerainty of Alsace via the duchy of Bar ,

Basically , LOR held alsace as vassal for PRO




gamewise

With this historical vassalation, you do not see an early DOW by BUR on STR,


question, STR can be a vassal of both (TYR and LOR) ?
 

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De-VILLARS said:
Reworked sequence about roussilon by hildoceras
Reserved ids will be 170220 (instead of 170229) and 170221 (instead of 170228).

Year of FRA_170220 deathdate should be before Vauban's sequence => 1666
 
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YodaMaster said:
According to my answer in post #2283, what is missing in post #2266 then?


nothing missing except

alliance = {
id = { type = 6000 id = ?? }
type = vassalization
expirydate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1460 }
participant = { LOR STR }
}
 

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Hyw Fra/dau

I have not noticed before, but DAU gains a core on Roussilion (event DAU 1000107) and can lose it again (event DAU 1000065/1000066) and FRA starts in 1419 with a core on Roussilon.

Both DAU and FRA should as far as I understand it be preoccupied with the HYW sequence and not start wars with Aragon that early and FRA has it´s own event sequence to get Roussilion ceded by Aragon itself (event FRA 12145).

Wouldn´t it be better if:
- the core on Roussilon (426) would be removed from the 1419 France starting cores so that FRA (as long as it lives!) concentrates on France proper;
- the addcore of 426 would be removed from event DAU 1000107 so that DAU concentrates on fighting the ENG/BUR;
- the removecore removed from event DAU 1000065/1000066;
- and France gains the core at the same time as the province in event FRA 12145?
 

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Indeed, French cores don't match exactly borders of Kingdom of France (Brittany not included at start for example). Why not, but since FRA_12145 will maybe not fire at all, we need a safety event to grant core at the same time or later. Question is: when?
 

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YodaMaster said:
Indeed, French cores don't match exactly borders of Kingdom of France (Brittany not included at start for example). Why not, but since FRA_12145 will maybe not fire at all, we need a safety event to grant core at the same time or later. Question is: when?

Could not FRA 12145 simply trigger (and add the core) if either
if the ARG event happened asking for military aid in the civil war
OR
not exists ARG?
 

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YodaMaster said:
We could have an event if FRA_12145 never fired, something like "Roussillon is French province".

I took a second look at the FRA event file:

FRA has a 95% chance to get the core if the addcore command is in the FRA 12145 event (that happens if ARG says "we need military help" and chooses the a choice).

And if the 5% chance of not gaining the core happens - then FRA already has a second chance to gain that core in 1635 with event FRA 12062 and the historical a choice.

Is then really a need for an additional event to add the core?

Another thought: FRA cedes Roussilon for example in the Cateau-Cambresis (1559-1575) treaty event FRA 12037. Shouldn´t then an early gained core also be removed (like that for Savoy in the same event) and only later regained?

An event where an addcore command could fit in is Vaubans fortification. FRA 5004 adds a fortress in Roussilon - FRA could gain the core there without need for an additional event?
 

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I propose the following new Act of Union if WLS_330000 has triggered

Code:
id = XXXXXX
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			vassal = { country = ENG country = SCO }
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 238 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 239 data = -1 }
				NOT = { exists = SCO }
				event = 330000  #WLS: The crown of England
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME3037" #The Act of Union
	desc = "EVENTHIST3037"
	#-#In the midst of the Spanish Succession War (1700-1713), the Parliament voted the Act of Union in 1707. When confirmed by the Scottish vote, it established the Union of Scotland and England (and its Irish possessions) under the same monarch into one realm under the title of Great Britain. A new flag, the Union Jack was adopted as a symbol of the Union.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1700 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3037A" #We are Great Britain
		command = { type = flagname which = UK }
		command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = 1 }
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 236 } #The Highlands
		command = { type = addcore which = 237 } #The Grampians
		command = { type = addcore which = 238 } #Lothian
		command = { type = addcore which = 239 } #Strathclyde
		command = { type = inherit which = SCO }
	}
}


As this version of England will have Gaelic roots, the culture change is IMHO un-needed.
Also a new flag to represent Wales will be needed..
 

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YodaMaster said:
Don't try to do it yourself. Just provide source images and experts will do it for us.

Is it the quartered Wales CoA only mixed with the three lions of England?

And what about the flag?

Yes, it's the quartered Wales CoA and the English lions.

Not sure what we can do about the flag. How about the dragon of Wales in one corner of the St George's Cross?
 

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Andrelious said:
Yes, it's the quartered Wales CoA and the English lions.
Ok. I will take care of this.

Andrelious said:
Not sure what we can do about the flag. How about the dragon of Wales in one corner of the St George's Cross?
Why not