Yes, but to be discussed in corresponding thread and no objection for this removal.Toio said:
When Charles VI dies? Will not this be the case with the sequence as it is (no change with "my" modifications)?Toio said:
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beta 12 version, some tests
Had 5 tests game to 1480
1 as ENG. 1 as BUR and 3 as observer
comments in relation to choice 1 of the HYW changes
1-
4 of the 5 games had ENG dow PRO before 1427 even though I amended the starting relations as very friendly
....
2-
DAU is far too strong and I suggest that when "old" FRA loses initial war with ENG , that champagne and Niversalis do NOT go to DAU but go to ENG/BUR
3-
If point 2 is not taken, then starting 1419 lands of maine and poitou belong to ENG
4-
strange how BUR and ENG do not ally with each other anymore
Had 5 tests game to 1480
1 as ENG. 1 as BUR and 3 as observer
comments in relation to choice 1 of the HYW changes
1-
4 of the 5 games had ENG dow PRO before 1427 even though I amended the starting relations as very friendly
.... 2-
DAU is far too strong and I suggest that when "old" FRA loses initial war with ENG , that champagne and Niversalis do NOT go to DAU but go to ENG/BUR
3-
If point 2 is not taken, then starting 1419 lands of maine and poitou belong to ENG
4-
strange how BUR and ENG do not ally with each other anymore
1. Was that by event? There was at least one such event that has been removed but others may have been missed.
2. A too strong DAU was my main fear with option 1. Definitely agree about Champagne and Nivernais in any case.
3. What about this thing called 'historical accuracy'?
4. That is strange indeed. Do you mean after Troyes or soon after gamestart?
2. A too strong DAU was my main fear with option 1. Definitely agree about Champagne and Nivernais in any case.
3. What about this thing called 'historical accuracy'?
4. That is strange indeed. Do you mean after Troyes or soon after gamestart?
Third Angel said:1. Was that by event? There was at least one such event that has been removed but others may have been missed.
2. A too strong DAU was my main fear with option 1. Definitely agree about Champagne and Nivernais in any case.
3. What about this thing called 'historical accuracy'?
4. That is strange indeed. Do you mean after Troyes or soon after gamestart?
on
1 - could not find any
2 - have amended this by event and its a better game
3 - gamebalance /' historical is what i am after, maine was taken by ENg before 1428 and poitou could represent the aqutaine provinces,
but choice 2 of the champagne, niversalis to ENG/BUR is the best choice
4 - Never ever allied in any game...meaning that the alliances of ENG with irish minors and BUR with brabant leaves no time for a ENG-BUR alliance
ON another point......ALL tested games has no English province remaing in france by 1430
Yes, absolutly.Toio said:
Not only for gameplay reason, but for historical reason too. This event makes no sense. At the treaty of Troyes no city in Champagne or "Nivernais" changed sides. Since Burgundian France and Lancastrian France use presently the same tag, when FRA becomes vassal of England, since the new regent make the old one governor of Picardie and Champagne, the good way is that when FRA becomes vassal of England, Champagne and Nivernais go to BUR.
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1. For some reason this event is in AGCEEP_Specific_England.eue and not in AGCEEP_HYW_England.eue:
2. What Renaud Vibien said. Isn't Normandy a typo BTW, don't you mean Champagne instead?
3. Orléanais was also mostly taken before 1428, so were Champagne and Nivernais by BUR.
The Gascogne province is already way too big compared to what England held. We can't give them Poitou too.
4. Obviously I was wrong about Bordic fixing this sequence. Currently there is no alliance command towards BUR in the HYW_England file before Amiens (1423).
IMO, this is how it should work, and this is how it works in the ultra-simplified sequence I was testing before coming back to Corsican matters: if everything goes historically, at Troyes ENG (NRM) should dow DAU, vassalize BUR and trigger another ENG (NRM) event to get the vassalized BUR into its alliance (ala Bordic ). Then a BUR event would fire to break vassalization and dow DAU.
EDIT: This is not exactly how it worked because NRM and BUR ended in the same alliance but in separate wars with DAU, to make separate peace treaties more likely. But that was the general idea and it worked.
I tried quickly to understand how the current sequence works, but this is taking ages so I am out of here until I finish my FYW events and/or the new map comes out.
Code:
#(1424-1425) Bedford is granted the Duchy of Anjou
event = {
id = 2200008
trigger = {
event = 1000008 #FRA: Treaty of Troyes
owned = { province = 385 data = -1 }
OR = {
owned = { province = 383 data = -1 } #Rouen and border provinces
owned = { province = 384 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 410 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 411 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 412 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 413 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 414 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 416 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 417 data = -1 }
}
}
random = no
country = ENG
name = "EVENTNAME2200008" #Bedford is Granted the Duchy Lands of Anjou
desc = "EVENTHIST2200008"
#-#
date = { day = 1 month = april year = 1424 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1425 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME2200008A" #Submit to your new lord Bedford, Regent of France !
command = { type = addcore which = 412 } #Maine
[COLOR=Lime]command = { type = war which = PRO }[/COLOR]
command = { type = relation which = PRO value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = DAU value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = BRI value = -25 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 385 value = 2 } #Ile de France
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME2200008B" #We need not further punish Rene I
command = { type = addcore which = 412 } #Maine
command = { type = relation which = PRO value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = DAU value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -15 }
command = { type = relation which = BRI value = -15 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 385 value = 2 } #Ile de France
}
}3. Orléanais was also mostly taken before 1428, so were Champagne and Nivernais by BUR.
The Gascogne province is already way too big compared to what England held. We can't give them Poitou too.
4. Obviously I was wrong about Bordic fixing this sequence. Currently there is no alliance command towards BUR in the HYW_England file before Amiens (1423).
IMO, this is how it should work, and this is how it works in the ultra-simplified sequence I was testing before coming back to Corsican matters: if everything goes historically, at Troyes ENG (NRM) should dow DAU, vassalize BUR and trigger another ENG (NRM) event to get the vassalized BUR into its alliance (ala Bordic
). Then a BUR event would fire to break vassalization and dow DAU.EDIT: This is not exactly how it worked because NRM and BUR ended in the same alliance but in separate wars with DAU, to make separate peace treaties more likely. But that was the general idea and it worked.
I tried quickly to understand how the current sequence works, but this is taking ages so I am out of here until I finish my FYW events and/or the new map comes out.
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Involved events:renaud vibien said:
Code:
#(1420-1422) The Treaty of Troyes - Henry will Inherit the Crown
event = {
id = 1000008 #triggered by BUR_1000007 A
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME1000008" #The Treaty of Troyes - Henry will Inherit the Crown
desc = "EVENTHIST1000008"
#-#
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME1000008A" #We can only capitulate...
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 18 value = 20 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = DAU value = -200 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 376 } #Champagne[/COLOR]
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ENG value = 384 } #Caux
[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 386 } #Nivernais[/COLOR]
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ENG value = 413 } #Normandie
command = { type = breakvassal which = BUR }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000179 } #DAU: The Treaty of Troyes
}
}
Code:
#(1422) The Death of Charles VI (historical)
event = {
id = 1000015
trigger = { event = 1000005 } #BUR: The Alliance of Montereau
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME1000015" #The Death of Charles VI
desc = "EVENTHIST1000015"
#-#
date = { day = 21 month = october year = 1422 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME1000015A" #Long Live King Charles VII!
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 376 } #Champagne[/COLOR]
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 383 } #Picardie
[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 384 } #Caux
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 386 } #Nivernais
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 413 } #Normandie[/COLOR]
command = { type = trigger which = 1000016 } #DAU: The Legacy of Charles VI
}
}
Code:
#(1422) Succession of Charles VI
event = {
id = 1000013
trigger = { event = 1000008 } #FRA: The Treaty of Troyes - Henry will Inherit the Crown
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME1000013" #The Death of Charles VI
desc = "EVENTHIST1000013"
#-#
date = { day = 21 month = october year = 1422 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME1000013A" #Long Live King Henry II of France !
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ENG value = 384 } #Caux
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ENG value = 413 } #Normandie
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 383 } #Picardie
[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 376 } #Champagne
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 386 } #Nivernais
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 411 } #Orleanais[/COLOR]
command = { type = trigger which = 1000163 } #BUR: Henry VI Inherits the Crown of France
}
}What to do with blue commands and are other events involved?
YodaMaster said:
IMO,
event 1000008 , the blue selected to go to BUR
event 1000015, blue to .......champagne and niversais to BUR
normandy and caux to ENG
event 1000013, only changes are champagne and niversais to BUR and orleanais to DAU
ALso remove war command for ENG on PRO as stated by angel
It seems fair to me but I wanted confirmation! I'll wait for others' comments.Toio said:
Already done and event moved to HYW_England. I just forgot it when I reviewed all events...Toio said:
Anyway, I wonder if I should renumber events and remove HYW files... at least after 1.53.
For me it isn't that clear but do we need FRA_3782 The Archduke of Corsica?
#-#With the expansive economic legislation and the American Revolution in the 1770's the introduction of Constitutional Monarchy in the 1780's France had changed. Gone was the ancient regime and with it the incompetent nobility of blood. Instead the king and new government had introduced a nobility of talent. To be a nobleman of France meant that one had made great service to the country. The Spirit of the Enlightenment had been incorporated in Europe's most progressive nation, France. In this country a young and talented man from the province of Corsica had been brought up to become a fine general and diplomat, his name was Napoléon Bonaparte. The great reform of French society was a great threat to England whom mightily feared French commercial competition. France also manages to acquire the enmity of Prussia, Austria and Russia by supporting the reforms in Poland and trying to export what Catherine the Great had called 'Peasant-Monarchy'. Thus France got embroiled in what was called the 1st and 2nd coalition wars in which England, Russia, Austria and Prussia fought France, Poland, the Ottoman Empire, the United States and Holland. Napoléon first distinguished himself on the Rhine front winning the Battle of Höchst (4th Oct. 1793), Kaiserslautern (12th Nov 1793) and the winter battle of Aachen (16th January 1794). In 1795-96 he fought in Italy and in 1797 he was attached to General Harrison's staff sub commanding a horse artillery detachment in the decisive Battle of Disraeli near the Lac St-Francois, Canada. Returning to France he was ordered to Egypt to boast the defense of an important ally fighting an indecisive night battle with General Moore near Alexandria. This though saved the Ottomans and England receiving her second defeat accepted a status quo peace. The same night Napoléon returned to Toulon he got the rumors of that Paris was threatened by a Russo-Austrian army under Suvorov. Riding at full speed to Paris and after two broken horses he was given the command of the 3rd reserve army. It was of low quality, but everything France had left after the disaster at Nancy. In the three day Battle of Châlons-sur-Marne Napoléons tactical genius won the day and the war was over, for this time. Already the enemies were flocking, but on the 2nd January 1799 Napoléon was called to His Majesty's Regal Chamber and received his appointment as Minister of War and given command of all the Royal Armies of France. At the Midnight Ball in Versailles at the 10th February Napoléon's dream had come true...He was made Archduke of Corsica.
If we want to keep it, shouldn't we in this case have a trigger checking if France owns/controls Corsica province?
I am for removing it definitely!
Code:
#(1799) The Archduke of Corsica
event = {
id = 3782
trigger = {
NOT = {
OR = {
event = 3342
event = 3779
}
}
}
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME3782" #The Archduke of Corsica
desc = "EVENTHIST3782"
#-#
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1799 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1799 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME3782A" #We need Brilliant Leadership!
command = { type = DIP which = 3 value = 240 }
command = { type = ADM which = 4 value = 240 }
command = { type = MIL which = 5 value = 240 }
command = { type = land value = 1000 }
command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = 6 }
command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = 6 }
command = { type = domestic which = OFFENSIVE value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = QUALITY value = 3 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = PRU value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = -100 }
command = { type = stability value = 6 }
command = { type = trigger which = 21019 } #ENG: The Rise of Napoléon
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME3782B" #We don't want a new Caesar!
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = PRU value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = SWE value = 100 }
command = { type = diplomats value = 6 }
command = { type = treasury value = 300 }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
}
}If we want to keep it, shouldn't we in this case have a trigger checking if France owns/controls Corsica province?
I am for removing it definitely!
Wholeheartedly agree.Bordic said:
Napoléon would never have raised to any kind of power without the Revolution. The emigration of many royalist officers was the main reason why careers were so quickly achieved in these years for soldiers of lower nobility (or none at all). That and the endless wars of course, it is hard to believe that so many coalitions would have raised against a constitutional monarchy.
Besides Nabuliu Buonaparte forgot very quickly that he had been a Corsican. He very seldom returned in his island, and had revolts there crushed cruelly. Actually I think becoming Archduke of Corsica would have been his worst nighmare rather than a dream.
I agree too. Too much fantasy here...
If a player wants Napoléon, Revolution first is "a little bit" needed.
Can someone check right now, if we remove this event, don't we need to sleep some leaders?
Any other comment for DAU secedeprovince or do everybody agree with changes proposed by Toio in post #2249?
If a player wants Napoléon, Revolution first is "a little bit" needed.
Can someone check right now, if we remove this event, don't we need to sleep some leaders?
Any other comment for DAU secedeprovince or do everybody agree with changes proposed by Toio in post #2249?
Republican/Napoleonic leaders seem to be already slept by FRA_170400 which is the extreme ahistorical alternative to the other three events regarding the French Revolution.YodaMaster said:
Republican/Napoleonic leaders seem to be already slept by FRA_170400 which is the extreme ahistorical alternative to the other three events regarding the French Revolution.YodaMaster said:
Concerning Napoléon, shouldn't we maybe remove those lines too?
Code:
#(1789) French Revolution: Constitutional Monarchy
event = {
id = 3780
trigger = {
OR = {
AND = {
exists = USA
NOT = { domestic = { type = aristocracy value = 3 } }
}
AND = {
domestic = { type = aristocracy value = 2 }
NOT = { domestic = { type = aristocracy value = 5 } }
NOT = { exists = USA }
}
}
}
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME3780" #The French Revolution: Constitutional Monarchy
desc = "EVENTHIST3780"
#-#
date = { day = 8 month = august year = 1789 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 22 month = december year = 1789 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME3780A" #Waves of Revolts have struck us, Sire
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3342 } #FRA: The French Revolution: Radical Republic
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3779 } #FRA: The French Revolution: Republican Monarchy
command = { type = sleepevent which = 170400 } #FRA: Revolution avoided
[COLOR=Red]command = { type = setflag which = Napoléon_rank1 } #Général Napoléon#[/COLOR]
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049878 } #Joseph Joubert (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049882 } #Jean Moreau (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049891 } #Lazare Hoche (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049894 } #Guillaume Brune (FRA)
[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepleader which = 049895 } #Bonaparte (FRA)[/COLOR]
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049899 } #Jean Lannes (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049900 } #Bernadotte (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049901 } #Victor (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049902 } #Joachim Murat (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049904 } #Nicolas Soult (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049906 } #Gouvion Saint-Cyr (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049908 } #Lefebvre (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049911 } #Andre Masséna (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049913 } #Louis-Gabriel Suchet (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049914 } #Michel Ney (FRA)
command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = SERFDOM value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = OFFENSIVE value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = QUALITY value = -1 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}
#(1789) Revolution avoided
event = {
id = 170400
trigger = {
NOT = {
exists = USA
domestic = { type = aristocracy value = 2 }
}
}
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME170400" #Revolution avoided
desc = "EVENTHIST170400"
#-#
date = { day = 8 month = august year = 1789 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 22 month = december year = 1789 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME170400A" #Thank God, our King is safe
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3342 } #FRA: The French Revolution: Radical Republic
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3779 } #FRA: The French Revolution: Republican Monarchy
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3780 } #FRA: The French Revolution: Constitutional Monarchy
[COLOR=Red]command = { type = setflag which = Napoléon_rank1 } #Général Napoléon#[/COLOR]
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049878 } #Joseph Joubert (FRA)
[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepleader which = 049882 } #Jean Moreau (FRA)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]command = { type = sleepleader which = 049827 } #Primauguet (FRA)[/COLOR]
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049891 } #Lazare Hoche (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049894 } #Guillaume Brune (FRA)
[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepleader which = 049895 } #Bonaparte (FRA)[/COLOR]
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049899 } #Jean Lannes (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049900 } #Bernadotte (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049901 } #Victor (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049902 } #Joachim Murat (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049904 } #Nicolas Soult (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049906 } #Gouvion Saint-Cyr (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049908 } #Lefebvre (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049911 } #Andre Masséna (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049913 } #Louis-Gabriel Suchet (FRA)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 049914 } #Michel Ney (FRA)
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
}
}In this way only Bonaparte will lead the French Republican armies in case either the Coup d'Etat of 18 brumaire failed in action B or the republican Monarchy event fired instead of the Radical Republic event.
Code:
#(1799) Napoléon Bonaparte
event = {
id = 170401
trigger = {
flag = Napoléon_rank1
leader = 049895 #Bonaparte (FRA)
}
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME170401" #The brilliant Bonaparte
desc = "EVENTHIST170401"
#-#Once again, 'Citoyen Bonaparte' will lead our armies.
date = { day = 9 month = november year = 1799 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME170401A" #We need a brilliant Republican General
command = { type = wakeleader which = 049896 } #Bonaparte (FRA)
}
}EDIT: event 174000 (and maybe 3780) should then sleep leader # 049895:
Code:
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 049895 }
category = general
name = "Bonaparte" #Will always die, whatever happens
startdate = {
day = 5
month = october
year = 1795
}
deathdate = {
day = 10
month = november
year = 1799
}
rank = 1
movement = 6
fire = 6
shock = 6
siege = 2
dormant = no
remark = "Directory's General"
}EDIT2: why isn't Moreau slept in case of revolution avoided? Is that a bug too? I don't know about other republican leaders to be slept unfortunately...
Here is Primauguet which is a clear bug, imo:
Code:
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 049827 }
category = admiral
name = "H. de Primauguet" #Hervé de Primauguet
startdate = {
year = 1565
}
deathdate = {
year = 1585
}
rank = 0
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = no
}
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In the last sentence I obviously suggested his (Primauguet) removal FROM THE COMMAND LINE OF FRA_170400 and not from the leaders.fra list. OK?YodaMaster said: