One possible idea is for Brittany to join in on the wars of religion. While that'll still be a late absorption, it would make sense.
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Actually we should get rid of these two tags if AGCEEP is still meant to be a historical mod.YodaMaster said:
Now seriously, as long as BRI has this event (which makes it utter fantasy), any French minor can have it. You can even write some for NRM, AQU, and why not FLA.
I think we should try to fix the inheritance sequence first. I'll give it a shot when I get some time if no one else is willing to.Garbon said:
While testing the new set of Italian alliances, I noticed a strong tendency for PRO to dow SAV. After checking some files, it turns out Provence begins with cores upon Piemonte, Dauphiné and Languedoc.
Unless someone is able to present some kind of historical justification to keep them, I'd like to propose their removal.
from 1419_PRO_Provence.inc:
Unless someone is able to present some kind of historical justification to keep them, I'd like to propose their removal.
from 1419_PRO_Provence.inc:
Code:
nationalprovinces = {
406 412 [COLOR=Red]422 407 404[/COLOR]
}
I understand this point of view but can we say these provinces are fully under French control? Won't simulation of this feature be more complex with events related to taxvalues (for example) than vassals in EU2 terms?Third Angel said:Actually we should get rid of these two tags if AGCEEP is still meant to be a historical mod.
I know but better having a chance to see a more or less strong France reappear than never...Third Angel said:Now seriously, as long as BRI has this event (which makes it utter fantasy), any French minor can have it. You can even write some for NRM, AQU, and why not FLA.
Bordic and I did but maybe there is something left. Good idea!Third Angel said:
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Garbon said:
yeah religion wars should target provinces of france not france, according to me, that we it can deal with all vassals of france non annexed, and brutanny if there was matter before, and also all cores that france does not owned.
Also it should be great at the end of the french religious wars, that his allies restitute her the land they take from french catholics and hughenots like for the end of the hussites war for example ...
Third Angel said:
the solution here is too keep it (above) as is, and place SAV with the VEN-TOS alliance (historical), PRO will not DOW SAV anymore
you then need to ensure that when BOU is vassaled by DAU , that they (BOU) also get into a DAU alliance to help them out,
the current system has SAV in alliance with DAU. SAV usually take a province from BUR.
My proposal is based on historical grounds, there is no reason for PRO to own these cores.Toio said:
The frequent dowing of SAV (who was in the VEN-TOS since I was testing the new Italian alliances) by PRO were only the mean by which I discovered the unhistorical cores.
Sorry, but I am not doing anything about BOU.
I agree.Third Angel said:
And what about a proposal according to my remarks in post #2024?Third Angel said:
The best I could find about those cores is that they were implemented at some point in the EEP project. It sounds like though that someone has just pared down the extensive cores that had been in the vanilla version at that time. So I agree with removing them.
One thing I don't understand is why Provence doesn't have its event to get a temp cb on Naples fire until mid-1420. As far as I can tell, Louis was given the title of King of Naples by the pope in 1419 and by mid 1420 should already be attempting an invasion. Seems to me then that the cb should come 6 months earlier (which would require changing the date on the Naples event that triggers the Provence event).
One thing I don't understand is why Provence doesn't have its event to get a temp cb on Naples fire until mid-1420. As far as I can tell, Louis was given the title of King of Naples by the pope in 1419 and by mid 1420 should already be attempting an invasion. Seems to me then that the cb should come 6 months earlier (which would require changing the date on the Naples event that triggers the Provence event).
Well, I asked for any reason about them two years ago... I was told (ribbon22 or renaud vibien or someone else...) that they were ancient angevin claims, expecially Piemonte (404?). I still support their removal though!Garbon said:
You say a 6 months cb on Naples? SInce I have rewritten the sequence I can tell you that I have considered Louis attempting an invasion only in case Queen Giovanna of Naples decides to adopt Alfons of Aragon (historical choice) otherwise there is no reason for a cb as Giovanna would adopt Louis since 1420 (historically she would adopt him after first crisis in Naples in 1423, when Alfons' candidature is rejected).
A question here. According to this event:
#-#With the death of the Dauphin Charles, neither his son Louis nor the King of England was in a position to impose their rights on the Duke of Burgundy, who had controlled the government of the kingdom for many decades already. Ensured of the support of the Parliament of Paris and being joined by many former Armagnac partisans after the failure of the cause of the Dauphin, the road towards the throne was now open. Admittedly his legitimacy was contestable, and many were likely to be agitated, but nobody had the authority to oppose him...
In case BUR becomes France, her monarchs become Kings of France until Charles the Bold dies in 1477.
As it is the event now, by sleeping Anne de France (049503) we will have Louis XI (the second monarch numbered 049537) living well after his death happened in 1483 until Charles VIII becomes of age in 1492
here
and here
is this wanted or should we better remove
from the event above?
EDIT: coloured the concerned line...
Code:
#(1461-1483) The Throne of France
event = {
id = 1000080
trigger = {
event = 1000064 #BUR: The Throne of France
NOT = { event = 1000025 } #DAU: The Consecration of Charles VII
}
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME1000080" #The Throne of France
desc = "EVENTHIST1000080"
#-#
date = { day = 22 month = july year = 1461 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 28 month = august year = 1483 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME1000080A" #Long Live the King !
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 049501 } #Charles VII
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 049502 } #Louis XI
[COLOR=Red]command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 049503 } #Anne de France[/COLOR]
command = { type = monarch which = 049535 } #Philippe VII le Bon
command = { type = monarch which = 049536 } #Charles VII le Teméraire
command = { type = monarch which = 049537 } #Louis XI
}
}In case BUR becomes France, her monarchs become Kings of France until Charles the Bold dies in 1477.
As it is the event now, by sleeping Anne de France (049503) we will have Louis XI (the second monarch numbered 049537) living well after his death happened in 1483 until Charles VIII becomes of age in 1492
here
Code:
#Louis Valois inherits after Charles VII 'The Bold' dies
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 049537 }
name = "Louis XI"
startdate = {
day = 5
month = january
year = 1477
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = august
year = 1483
}
DIP = 5
ADM = 6
MIL = 5
dormant = yes
remark = "l'Universelle aragne (The spider King)"
}
Code:
# Regence de la fille de Louis XI
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 049503 }
name = "Anne de France (Charles VIII)"
startdate = {
day = 29
month = august
year = 1483
}
deathdate = {
year = 1492
}
DIP = 5
ADM = 6
MIL = 4
dormant = no
remark = "La Dame de Beaujeu"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 049504 }
name = "Charles VIII"
startdate = {
year = 1492
}
deathdate = {
day = 8
month = april
year = 1498
}
DIP = 5
ADM = 7
MIL = 9
dormant = no
}
Code:
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 049503 } #Anne de FranceEDIT: coloured the concerned line...
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Bordic said:Well, I asked for any reason about them two years ago... I was told (ribbon22 or renaud vibien or someone else...) that they were ancient angevin claims, expecially Piemonte (404?). I still support their removal though!
As Provence historically was absorbed into France it would not miss additional cores.
Howerver from the point of someone playing the Anjou and really trying to build an empire out of their claims on Provence, Lorraine, Maine and perhaps Naples it might be interesting for a player to be able to get his "ancestral claims" back somehow.
Perhaps removing the cores from the 1419 scenario files, but adding an event that grants them back if a player owns all the then given cores of the Anjou?
There are already PRO events granting cores on Lorraine and Southern Italy and Sicily. Don't know about having events granting additional cores such as those we currently have in 1419_PRO_Provence.inc: 422 Languedoc 407 Dauphiné 404 PiemonteConjurerDragon said:
Historical backings?
Time to finish Paris CoT event:
#-#Charles of Valois was only sixteen years old upon the death of Charles VII the Bold, but his descent through the line of his grandfather Charles VI, made him the most legitimate candidate. This young man, rather disgraceful in physique, had a difficult puberty and is especially delayed in his intellectual development. This is why his elder sister, Anne of France, stands as regent of France with her husband, Pierre de Beaujeu. If Burgundy had lost the Kingdom of France for lack of a male heir, it was by the regency of a woman that the Valois recovery of the throne would be directed.
#-#Driven out of Paris by Burgundian insurrections and then harrassed by the English, the King of France finally returned to his capital.
New event:
EVENTNAME337834;Paris: economic center of France;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST337834;After the instauration of tariffs and the construction of internal improvements under Louis XIV, Paris is firmly established as the economic center of France.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME337834A;We now gain control of our own finances;;;;;;;;;;
Code:
#(1485) The End of the Hundred Years War
#move capital to Paris
event = {
id = 1000090 #triggered by DAU_1000077
random = no
country = DAU
name = "EVENTNAME1000090" #The Estate of Charles the Bold
desc = "EVENTHIST1000090"
#-#
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME1000090A" #Charles is Consecrated King of France
command = { type = country which = FRA }
command = { type = capital which = 385 } #Ile de France
command = { type = loansize which = 200 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = vp value = 50 }
[COLOR=Red]command = { type = removecot which = 408 } #Lyonnais
command = { type = cot which = 385 } #Ile de France[/COLOR]
}
}
Code:
#(1423-1820) The End of the Hundred Years War
#move capital to Paris
event = {
id = 1000060
trigger = {
owned = { province = 385 data = -1 }[COLOR=Yellow] #Ile de France[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Yellow]control = { province = 385 data = -1 } #Ile de France[/COLOR]
atwar = no
NOT = { exists = DAU }
}
random = no
country = FRA
name = "EVENTNAME1000060" #The King of France Returns to Paris
desc = "EVENTHIST1000060"
#-#
date = { year = 1423 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME1000060A" #It is high time we returned to our great city
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = capital which = 385 } #Ile de France
[COLOR=Red]command = { type = removecot which = 408 } #Lyonnais
command = { type = cot which = 385 } #Ile de France[/COLOR]
command = { type = vp value = 50 }
}
}New event:
Code:
#(1669-1820) Paris: economic center of France
event = {
id = 337834
trigger = {
owned = { province = 385 data = FRA } #Ile de France
control = { province = 385 data = FRA } #Ile de France
owned = { province = 408 data = FRA } #Lyonnais
OR = {
event = 12075 #FRA: Jean-Baptiste Colbert
event = 3126 #FRA: Versailles stands in Unearthly Glory
year = 1700
}
}
random = no
province = 385 #Ile de France
name = "EVENTNAME337834" #Paris: economic center of France
desc = "EVENTHIST337834"
#-#
date = { month = june year = 1669 }
offset = 360
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a ={
name = "ACTIONNAME337834A" #We now gain control of our own finances
command = { type = removecot which = 408 } #Lyonnais
[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = capital which = 385 } #Ile de France - just in case[/COLOR]
command = { type = cot which = 385 } #Ile de France
command = { type = merchants value = 6 }
command = { type = treasury value = 200 }
}
}EVENTHIST337834;After the instauration of tariffs and the construction of internal improvements under Louis XIV, Paris is firmly established as the economic center of France.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME337834A;We now gain control of our own finances;;;;;;;;;;
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Shouldn't you add the trigger
in FRA_1000060 ?
Don't know about DAU_1000090 as there are too many triggers...
Code:
control = { province = 385 data = -1 }Don't know about DAU_1000090 as there are too many triggers...
Out of interest, why does Charles VII have better stats than his son? Louis XI was one of the most successful medieval kings of France for several reasons. Charles VII was a weak and easily led man who simply relied on luck (bad luck, at the beginning of his reign) and the fortunes of those who served him.
For both EU2 and EU3, I use:
Louis XI was in control of the situation, united his realm, played England, Burgundy and various other nations off against each other, and outlived both Edward IV and his nemesis, Charles the Bold.
Besides, AFAIK Charles VII went mad towards the end of his life anyway.
For both EU2 and EU3, I use:
Code:
1422.10.22 = {
monarch = {
name = "Charles VII"
adm = 6
dip = 4
mil = 5
}
}
1461.7.22 = {
monarch = {
name = "Louis XI"
adm = 8
dip = 8
mil = 7
}
}Louis XI was in control of the situation, united his realm, played England, Burgundy and various other nations off against each other, and outlived both Edward IV and his nemesis, Charles the Bold.
Besides, AFAIK Charles VII went mad towards the end of his life anyway.