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My mistake... Relations between Romanists and Hungary are maxed out from start (+200). There is currently no reason to see relations between Hungary and Bohemia go under 100 or min 50 with Bohemian events.

Relations are even increased in 1458 by +100 and HUN_188108 "The Coronation of Mathias Corvinus" and +50 more with HUN_188119 "The Bohemian throne" action_b (war avoided...).
 

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YodaMaster said:
My mistake... Relations between Romanists and Hungary are maxed out from start (+200). There is currently no reason to see relations between Hungary and Bohemia go under 100 or min 50 with Bohemian events.

Relations are even increased in 1458 by +100 and HUN_188108 "The Coronation of Mathias Corvinus" and +50 more with HUN_188119 "The Bohemian throne" action_b (war avoided...).

HUN start with +175 relations with BOH, then get the 1458 +100 AND a +15 dynastic , then +50 more
 

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Hi!


I played Hungary recently, and I think the country could use a few leaders for the fun factor. (nearly none after 1600, when Poland for example has loads)
I have a few proposals for you :)

I know that the pre 1541 Hungary is troublesome in the game, so I downgraded their proposed stats, so they wont hurt the balance...
Really, I tried to keep it low as possible, even if they are downgraded by much.

If you don't like the stats, make the weaker, but even 2/2/2 leaders with name are more fun then nothing...

note: the avalibility dates are NOT when they were living, but when they commanded at least a regiment or a caslte (all of these are regiment, except István Dobó, who was the supervisor of the northern castles of Hungary)






name: FILIPPO SCOLARI
avaliable: 1420-1426
stats: 3/2/2 (realistic)
rank: middle-high (carried out Sigismund's idiotic orders even when he knew he shouldn't)

Italian (in italy, he is known as Pippo Spano), married a hungarian. Served in Sigismunds army.
- In the 1410's he fought venetian armies a number of times.
- he commanded the hungarian army in the hussite campaign, but was not succesful there
- in his older years he defeated raiding turkish in Wallachia (1423) and on hungarian soil (Galambóc 1426)
- he was the mentor of János Hunyadi




name: BALÁZS MAGYAR
avaliable: 1463-1483 (should be 1450-1483, but cut)
stats: 2/3/2 (downgraded already, he should be 2/3/3, a good general from the hussite school, and commander of corvinus's infantry)
rank: low-middle

He started his career as János Hunyadi's right hand man, later he fought in Mathias Corvinus's army, against the hussites in Hungary, and later in Bohemia.
From 1470, he commands the defense of the southern hungarian border.
1470-1474 croatian ban, 1473-1475 transylvanian voivode.
1480, broke the ottoman siege on Otranto.
Adopted Pál Kinizsi.



name: PÉTER BERISZLÓ (should be avaliable to independent Croatia as PETAR BERISLAVIC)
avaliable: 1512-1520
stats: 3/1/3 (more or less realistic)
rank: low (never commanded more then a few thousand)

From 1511, the bishop of Székesfehérvár, a year later croatian ban. That's where his fight against turks start. He fought in the Croatia-Bosnia area, where turkish raids (even raiding parties of 5-6000) were continous.
In 1517, - with Miklós Zrínyi - he broke the siege of Jajca, and defeated the sieging. turkish army. After this the pope wanted to appoint him as the bishop of Zagrab, but Bakócz (the hungarian boss in religious matters) didn't like Beriszló.
He died during one of his famous raids in 1520...



name: PÁL TOMORI
avaliable: 1514-1526 (should be 1505-1526, but cut. 1514-peasant revolt)
stats: 3/2/3 (downgraded by much, but I guess a 3/2/4 is too much at this time)
rank: high

Hungarian archbishop and general. His name was made known for crushing many raiding parties, looting mercenery bands, and revolts (both peasant and noble).
He lead the army of Szapolyai against the big peasant rebellion in 1514, he broke the siege of Temesvár also.
From 1516, the captain of Buda.
He was the one, who stopped the attack of Ferhád pasha's 15000 men. He started stabilizing the region too. He was very succesful in this, in the end, he laid raiding parties onto ottoman soil.
Once his funds run out, it was over though.
He delayed Sulayman's main army for weeks, and probably could have won enough time for the hungarian army to gather, but he was ordered to join the main force, which was defeated in Mohács, in 1526. He died in that battle.





FROM NOW ON, THERE IS NO HUNGARY IN GAME, SO THE LEADERS ARE ONLY FOR THE PLAYER, THUS THEY ARE NOT DOWNGRADED ANYMORE.
the ones with * were techniqually (spelling?) in Habsburg service, but should be avaliable for an independent Hungary. (as Wallenstein for Bohemia).
Aslo, all of these are ethnic magyars.



name: GYÖRGY THURY*
avaliable: 1550-1571
stats: 3/2/2 (realistic, maybe 3/1/3 is better)
rank: low

Captain of numerous castles from 1550, he made his name in his early period: he started looting turkish territory (he didn't want his soldiers to leave because he can't pay), he also challenged the best turks for duel.
In 1566, he held the small caslte of Palota with 150 men, against a turkish force of 8000. When the turks left the siege, he reqonquered the lost cities, and captured the turkish (well, serbian) general who led the siege, and sold him as a slave.
He became one of the most famous duellists in eastern Europe (over 700 duels without a loss), after a time even christians tried their sword against him.
Since his raids were so succesfull, the ottomans set up a trap for him, and captured him with 15 men in 1571.



name: ISTVÁN DOBÓ*
avaliable: 1552-1572 (should be 1542-1572. cut 1552: the defense of Eger)
stats: 2/2/2/1
rank: middle

Transylvanian voivode. He is famous for the defense of a hungarian fortress, Eger. He held it - with 2000 men - against the 100k+ ottoman force until the food or the ottomans were lost.
Later he defended and improved other fortresses too.



name: ÁDÁM KOLONITS*
avaliable: 1696-1717 (should be 1691-1722, cut. maybe avaliable for Austria)
stats: 3/2/4 (maybe 4/1/4 is better for a huszár officer)
rank: middle-high (should be one under Eugen di Savoy)

From 1691, a colonel and the owner of an own huszár regiment.
Fights on the battlefields of France and Italy, after swift promotions (and fighting under Eugen di Savoy), he became the chief overseer of hungarian cavalry, later all cavalry in Austria. In 1717, he was disbanded, because he refused to say he is austrian, and returned to Hungary.



name: VAK BOTTYÁN (János Bottyán)
avaliable: 1686-1709 (should be avaliable for Transylvania if Hungary doesn't exists, from 1703-1709)
stats: 2/3/3/1 (if you find it too strong, then 2/3/3)
rank: middle

1686 - led the regiment and charge what captured Buda (was promoted and given lots of land for this)
1692 - got promoted, and received some medals for his skillful maneuvers and his bravery in the capturing of Belgrade.
He was transferred to other (western) wars of the Habsburg empire, where he lost an eye. This is the time his soldiers started to call him 'vak' (blind) Bottyán.
Eugen di Savoy, wanted him back, and Bottyán fought under him till the end of the 1690's.
He was at the Rhein with his men in 1701, where a letter what he wrote to Rákóczi was captured.
In 1703, he was promoted to general by Rákóczi.
In the rebellion against the Habsburg, he won lots of great victories, proved to be a succesful 'sieger' and one of the few hungarians, who could stand up the Habsburg generals.
Died in 1709.



name: JÁNOS PÁLFFY*
avaliable: 1689-1709 (should be 1683-1718, but cut)
stats: 2/3/3 (maybe 2/4/2 or even 3/3/3)
rank: middle

1683 - siege of Érsekújvár (his own regiment, under Prinz Eugen), later that year Vienna, and defeats the turks at Esztergom
1684 - captures the fort of Visegrád
1688 - 2nd in command when taking Belgrad
1689 - takes Nis on his own
from 1701, he is transferred to northern Italy, when he serves under his mentor again.
After the failiure of numerous austrian generals (Heister, Rabutin, Montecuccoli) to stop the Rákóczi rebellion, he arrives in Hungary, and forces a big battle on the 'kuruc' army, where he defeats them (1708)



name: ÁDÁM BÉRI-BALOGH
avaliable: 1699-1711 (also should be avaliable for an independent Transylvania, if Hungary doesn't exist)
stats: 4/2/2 (maybe 4/1/3)
rank: low

At first his loyalty to Rákóczi was questionable, but in the end, he proved to be one of his most devoted and efficient men.
He was famous for his raids, he looted from Vienna 2 times, and in 1706, he captured the Habsburg general of the hungarian operations, Hannibal Heister. In 1707, he had successes in smaller skirmishes against Rabutin, and forced him to sit in a town for months.
He was captured and executed in 1711.


name: KÁROLY BATTHYÁNY*
avaliable: 1742-1765 (should be 1734-1772, but cut)
stats: 2/3/2 (a rare, talented hungarian infantry commander, maybe 2/3/3 or 2/4/2)
rank: middle-high

Went into the fighting business early, and learned it from the best, the mighty Eugen in the campaigns in 34, 37-39. Later, his name became know in 42, for his stand in the battle of chotusitz. In 1745, he defeated the much bigger french-bavarian army at pfaf fénhofen.
He commanded in the lowlands too, but with not much success, his only real success was an organized retreat.
After the lowlands campaign, Maria Theresia promoted him to field marshall (Batthyány was a rare one, who could arrive home with any credit), and made him to be the mentor of Jozef.
Later he became prince of the empire.



name: LÁSZLÓ BERCSÉNYI (could be for france if Hungary doesn't exist, as Ladislas de Berchenyi)
avaliable: 1719-1760 (no idea, already cut, he was a marshall until his death in 1778...)
stats: 4/2/4
rank: high (was french marshall)

Was the son of the Transylvanian general Miklós Bercsényi. The french gave him orders to organize regiments of light cavalry, which he did. (Lots of former transylvanian huszárs came to him, who were living in exile with his father, in Turkay)
Later on, he organized 7 regiments in total (3 hungarian-french, 2 italian-french, 2 german-french)
The french LE paratroopers are named after him even today (AND wear traditional hungarian huszár outfit on parades!)
He quicly rose throught the ranks, and eventually became french marshall.



name: JÓZSEF ALVINCZI*
avaliable: 1774-1797
stats: 3/3/3 (maybe 2/3/3)
rank: middle-high

In austria, he is known as 'Freiherr Joseph Alvinczi von Borberek'.
Promoted to Oberst commanding the 19th Infantry Regiment 19 in 1774, he led his men during the War of the Bavarian Succession, where he took the Böhmertor and captured the Prussian Commander Prince Hessen-Philippstal, a feat which won Alvinczy promotion to Major General and award of the Militär-Maria Theresien-Orden.
In 1790, he was sent to supress the Belgian uprising, where he was severly wounded.
Upon the outbreak of the French Revolutionary Wars in 1792, Alvinczy commanded a Division, steading his demoralised men at a key stage of the victorious battle of Neerwinden in 1793, leading his men forward to capture the village; for this expolit he was awarded the Commanders Cross of the MTO. He took command of an Auxiliary army which supported the British under the Duke of York and Albany, fighting at Landrecy and in the battle of Fleurus, before being wounded at Mariolles.
On his recovery and promotion to Feldzeugmeister, Alvinczy advised the William VI of Orange in the successful relief of Charleroi in June 1793, losing two horses under him in the process, and earning the reward of the Grand cross of the MTO. Briefly commander of the Army of the Upper Rhine, he was recalled to Vienna to serve on the Hofkriegsrat in 1795.
In late 1796 he took over command of the army that was fighting Napoleon Bonaparte in the north of the Italian Peninsula. After organising the Tyrolean militia to face the threat of the French advance in 1796, he was tasked with relieving troops in the siege of Mantua. Alvinczy's army was largely composed of new recruits with few experienced officers, but he won small victories at first Caldiero and then Bassano del Grappa before defeat at Arcole (November 15-17, 1796).
Despite deteriorating health, he regrouped and tried again, suffering a final defeat in the battle of Rivoli of January 14, 1797. He was then given the position of military governor of Hungary, and promoted Field Marshal in 1808


name: ANDRÁS HANUSFALVI-PETRICH*
avaliable: 1809-1819 (he served until 1844)
stats: 2/2/2/2 (maybe an 1/1/1/3 represents him better...)
rank: high

The only real siege engineer expert. Strange, that he never commanded a field army, but strengthened lots of fortresses, and sieged lots of fortresses.
His first assignment was in 1809, when he was supposed to make a stand before the french. (his superios, Gomez, became sick)
Later that year, he was given orders to establish a siege engineer/sapper school, where he was made director.
 
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Another thing, a question...


Why Croatia doesn't have dalmatian culture? Or can it gain dalmatian?
 

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galuska said:
Another thing, a question...


Why Croatia doesn't have dalmatian culture? Or can it gain dalmatian?

i do not see why they cannot have dalmatian culture. i think we forgot about it.
 

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galuska said:
Hi!


I played Hungary recently, and I think the country could use a few leaders for the fun factor. (nearly none after 1600, when Poland for example has loads)
I have a few proposals for you :)

I know that the pre 1541 Hungary is troublesome in the game, so I downgraded their proposed stats, so they wont hurt the balance...
Really, I tried to keep it low as possible, even if they are downgraded by much.

If you don't like the stats, make the weaker, but even 2/2/2 leaders with name are more fun then nothing...

note: the avalibility dates are NOT when they were living, but when they commanded at least a regiment or a caslte (all of these are regiment, except István Dobó, who was the supervisor of the northern castles of Hungary)






name: FILIPPO SCOLARI
avaliable: 1420-1426
stats: 3/2/2 (realistic)
rank: middle-high (carried out Sigismund's idiotic orders even when he knew he shouldn't)

Italian (in italy, he is known as Pippo Spano), married a hungarian. Served in Sigismunds army.
- In the 1410's he fought venetian armies a number of times.
- he commanded the hungarian army in the hussite campaign, but was not succesful there
- in his older years he defeated raiding turkish in Wallachia (1423) and on hungarian soil (Galambóc 1426)
- he was the mentor of János Hunyadi




name: BALÁZS MAGYAR
avaliable: 1450-1483
stats: 2/3/2 (downgraded already, he should be 2/3/3, a good general from the hussite school, and commander of corvinus's infantry)
rank: low-middle

He started his career as János Hunyadi's right hand man, later he fought in Mathias Corvinus's army, against the hussites in Hungary, and later in Bohemia.
From 1470, he commands the defense of the southern hungarian border.
1470-1474 croatian ban, 1473-1475 transylvanian voivode.
1480, broke the ottoman siege on Otranto.
Adopted Pál Kinizsi.



name: PÉTER BERISZLÓ (should be avaliable to independent Croatia as PETAR BERISLAVIC)
avaliable: 1512-1520
stats: 3/1/3 (more or less realistic)
rank: low (never commanded more then a few thousand)

From 1511, the bishop of Székesfehérvár, a year later croatian ban. That's where his fight against turks start. He fought in the Croatia-Bosnia area, where turkish raids (even raiding parties of 5-6000) were continous.
In 1517, - with Miklós Zrínyi - he broke the siege of Jajca, and defeated the sieging. turkish army. After this the pope wanted to appoint him as the bishop of Zagrab, but Bakócz (the hungarian boss in religious matters) didn't like Beriszló.
He died during one of his famous raids in 1520...



name: PÁL TOMORI
avaliable: 1505-1526
stats: 3/2/3 (downgraded by much, but I guess a 3/2/4 is too much at this time)
rank: high

Hungarian archbishop and general. His name was made known for crushing many raiding parties, looting mercenery bands, and revolts (both peasant and noble).
He lead the army of Szapolyai against the big peasant rebellion in 1514, he broke the siege of Temesvár also.
From 1516, the captain of Buda.
He was the one, who stopped the attack of Ferhád pasha's 15000 men. He started stabilizing the region too. He was very succesful in this, in the end, he laid raiding parties onto ottoman soil.
Once his funds run out, it was over though.
He delayed Sulayman's main army for weeks, and probably could have won enough time for the hungarian army to gather, but he was ordered to join the main force, which was defeated in Mohács, in 1526. He died in that battle.





FROM NOW ON, THERE IS NO HUNGARY IN GAME, SO THE LEADERS ARE ONLY FOR THE PLAYER, THUS THEY ARE NOT DOWNGRADED ANYMORE.
the ones with * were techniqually (spelling?) in Habsburg service, but should be avaliable for an independent Hungary. (as Wallenstein for Bohemia).
Aslo, all of these are ethnic magyars.



name: GYÖRGY THURY*
avaliable: 1550-1571
stats: 3/2/2 (realistic, maybe 3/1/3 is better)
rank: low

Captain of numerous castles from 1550, he made his name in his early period: he started looting turkish territory (he didn't want his soldiers to leave because he can't pay), he also challenged the best turks for duel.
In 1566, he held the small caslte of Palota with 150 men, against a turkish force of 8000. When the turks left the siege, he reqonquered the lost cities, and captured the turkish (well, serbian) general who led the siege, and sold him as a slave.
He became one of the most famous duellists in eastern Europe (over 700 duels without a loss), after a time even christians tried their sword against him.
Since his raids were so succesfull, the ottomans set up a trap for him, and captured him with 15 men in 1571.



name: ISTVÁN DOBÓ*
avaliable: 1542-1572
stats: 2/2/2/1
rank: middle

Transylvanian voivode. He is famous for the defense of a hungarian fortress, Eger. He held it - with 2000 men - against the 100k+ ottoman force until the food or the ottomans were lost.
Later he defended and improved other fortresses too.



name: ÁDÁM KOLONITS*
avaliable: 1691-1722 (maybe avaliable for Austria, for them till 1717)
stats: 3/2/4 (maybe 4/1/4 is better for a huszár officer)
rank: middle-high (should be one under Eugen di Savoy)

From 1691, a colonel and the owner of an own huszár regiment.
Fights on the battlefields of France and Italy, after swift promotions (and fighting under Eugen di Savoy), he became the chief overseer of hungarian cavalry, later all cavalry in Austria. In 1717, he was disbanded, because he refused to say he is austrian, and returned to Hungary.



name: VAK BOTTYÁN (János Bottyán)
avaliable: 1686-1709 (should be avaliable for Transylvania if Hungary doesn't exists, from 1703-1709)
stats: 2/3/3/1 (if you find it too strong, then 2/3/3)
rank: middle

1686 - led the regiment and charge what captured Buda (was promoted and given lots of land for this)
1692 - got promoted, and received some medals for his skillful maneuvers and his bravery in the capturing of Belgrade.
He was transferred to other (western) wars of the Habsburg empire, where he lost an eye. This is the time his soldiers started to call him 'vak' (blind) Bottyán.
Eugen di Savoy, wanted him back, and Bottyán fought under him till the end of the 1690's.
He was at the Rhein with his men in 1701, where a letter what he wrote to Rákóczi was captured.
In 1703, he was promoted to general by Rákóczi.
In the rebellion against the Habsburg, he won lots of great victories, proved to be a succesful 'sieger' and one of the few hungarians, who could stand up the Habsburg generals.
Died in 1709.



name: JÁNOS PÁLFFY*
avaliable: 1683-1718
stats: 2/3/3 (maybe 2/4/2 or even 3/3/3)
rank: middle

1683 - siege of Érsekújvár (his own regiment, under Prinz Eugen), later that year Vienna, and defeats the turks at Esztergom
1684 - captures the fort of Visegrád
1688 - 2nd in command when taking Belgrad
1689 - takes Nis on his own
from 1701, he is transferred to northern Italy, when he serves under his mentor again.
After the failiure of numerous austrian generals (Heister, Rabutin, Montecuccoli) to stop the Rákóczi rebellion, he arrives in Hungary, and forces a big battle on the 'kuruc' army, where he defeats them (1708)



name: ÁDÁM BÉRI-BALOGH
avaliable: 1699-1711 (also should be avaliable for an independent Transylvania, if Hungary doesn't exist)
stats: 4/2/2 (maybe 4/1/3)
rank: low

At first his loyalty to Rákóczi was questionable, but in the end, he proved to be one of his most devoted and efficient men.
He was famous for his raids, he looted from Vienna 2 times, and in 1706, he captured the Habsburg general of the hungarian operations, Hannibal Heister. In 1707, he had successes in smaller skirmishes against Rabutin, and forced him to sit in a town for months.
He was captured and executed in 1711.


name: KÁROLY BATTHYÁNY*
avaliable: 1734-1772
stats: 2/3/2 (a rare, talented hungarian infantry commander, maybe 2/3/3 or 2/4/2)
rank: middle-high

Went into the fighting business early, and learned it from the best, the mighty Eugen in the campaigns in 34, 37-39. Later, his name became know in 42, for his stand in the battle of chotusitz. In 1745, he defeated the much bigger french-bavarian army at pfaf fénhofen.
He commanded in the lowlands too, but with not much success, his only real success was an organized retreat.
After the lowlands campaign, Maria Theresia promoted him to field marshall (Batthyány was a rare one, who could arrive home with any credit), and made him to be the mentor of Jozef.
Later he became prince of the empire.



name: LÁSZLÓ BERCSÉNYI (could be for france if Hungary doesn't exist, as Ladislas de Berchenyi)
avaliable: 1719-1760
stats: 4/2/4
rank: high (was french marshall)

Was the son of the Transylvanian general Miklós Bercsényi. The french gave him orders to organize regiments of light cavalry, which he did. (Lots of former transylvanian huszárs came to him, who were living in exile with his father, in Turkay)
Later on, he organized 7 regiments in total (3 hungarian-french, 2 italian-french, 2 german-french)
The french LE paratroopers are named after him even today (AND wear traditional hungarian huszár outfit on parades!)
He quicly rose throught the ranks, and eventually became french marshall.



name: JÓZSEF ALVINCZI*
avaliable: 1774-1797
stats: 3/3/3 (maybe 2/3/3)
rank: middle-high

In austria, he is known as 'Freiherr Joseph Alvinczi von Borberek'.
Promoted to Oberst commanding the 19th Infantry Regiment 19 in 1774, he led his men during the War of the Bavarian Succession, where he took the Böhmertor and captured the Prussian Commander Prince Hessen-Philippstal, a feat which won Alvinczy promotion to Major General and award of the Militär-Maria Theresien-Orden.
In 1790, he was sent to supress the Belgian uprising, where he was severly wounded.
Upon the outbreak of the French Revolutionary Wars in 1792, Alvinczy commanded a Division, steading his demoralised men at a key stage of the victorious battle of Neerwinden in 1793, leading his men forward to capture the village; for this expolit he was awarded the Commanders Cross of the MTO. He took command of an Auxiliary army which supported the British under the Duke of York and Albany, fighting at Landrecy and in the battle of Fleurus, before being wounded at Mariolles.
On his recovery and promotion to Feldzeugmeister, Alvinczy advised the William VI of Orange in the successful relief of Charleroi in June 1793, losing two horses under him in the process, and earning the reward of the Grand cross of the MTO. Briefly commander of the Army of the Upper Rhine, he was recalled to Vienna to serve on the Hofkriegsrat in 1795.
In late 1796 he took over command of the army that was fighting Napoleon Bonaparte in the north of the Italian Peninsula. After organising the Tyrolean militia to face the threat of the French advance in 1796, he was tasked with relieving troops in the siege of Mantua. Alvinczy's army was largely composed of new recruits with few experienced officers, but he won small victories at first Caldiero and then Bassano del Grappa before defeat at Arcole (November 15-17, 1796).
Despite deteriorating health, he regrouped and tried again, suffering a final defeat in the battle of Rivoli of January 14, 1797. He was then given the position of military governor of Hungary, and promoted Field Marshal in 1808


name: ANDRÁS HANUSFALVI-PETRICH*
avaliable: 1809-1819 (he served until 1844)
stats: 2/2/2/2 (maybe an 1/1/1/3 represents him better...)
rank: high

The only real siege engineer expert. Strange, that he never commanded a field army, but strengthened lots of fortresses, and sieged lots of fortresses.
His first assignment was in 1809, when he was supposed to make a stand before the french. (his superios, Gomez, became sick)
Later that year, he was given orders to establish a siege engineer/sapper school, where he was made director.


comments only on Scolari (Pipo Spano) . we had him in the game before, but we could not balance the VEN-HUN wars, I got him removed and then rewrote the HUN-VEN events and they are now "fixed". I do not mind if he is in but we need to keep an eye out for his influence in any HUN-hussite or HUN-TUR wars.

the rest is a test and see evaluation

33 years for leader - magyar is very long. need to cut it back. we usually do not have these long periods, else I might force in Taddeo d'Este for VEN from 1414 to 1448 :D

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Toio said:
comments only on Scolari (Pipo Spano) . we had him in the game before, but we could not balance the VEN-HUN wars, I got him removed and then rewrote the HUN-VEN events and they are now "fixed". I do not mind if he is in but we need to keep an eye out for his influence in any HUN-hussite or HUN-TUR wars.

That was in my mind too, when I thought he should be 3/2/2 only...

The hussite generals are a different category compared to him. That was the main reason why I gave values to ALL pre 1541.



33 years for leader - magyar is very long. need to cut it back. we usually do not have these long periods, else I might force in Taddeo d'Este for VEN from 1414 to 1448 :D

my comments only.

Is there a limit, say 15-20 years?

If yes, I will give you other avalibility dates.

For example while Magyar started under Hunyadi János, he was made famous during Corvinus's anti-hussite campaign. thus he can start later - around 1460 - if you want)


I will update my other post.



Also, a hungarian poster in an other forum told me that the pre1541 leaders might make 'siege taking' for AI hungary easy (from default austrian generals), which is not wanted, so you might want to ignore my proposal for Beriszló Péter and Magyar Balázs alltogether...
(I would still like Tomori though, but I understand if you guys don't want him in)
 
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Is there a limit, say 15-20 years?
Depends how long leader was really effective on the battlefield (last great battles he won, for example).
 

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Garbon said:
Can I ask about ISTVÁN DOBÓ? Your description of him is all about how he was a defender, however you've given him a siege value of 1. Did he also capture many fortresses?


In agceep (or was it a previous one), there is Miklós Zrínyi, who defended Szigetvár against the ottomans. He has siege 1, I guessed that a defender has siege...

If not, you can remove Dobó alltogether. Really, he shouldn't be a field general.



New proposal then (with problematic, pre 1541 leaders removed, 'surviving hungary' leaders all there):


name: FILIPPO SCOLARI
avaliable: 1420-1426
stats: 3/2/2 (realistic)
rank: middle (carried out Sigismund's idiotic orders even when he knew he shouldn't, so while he commanded whole campaigns, shouldn't get a high rank)


name: PÁL TOMORI
avaliable: 1514-1526 (should be 1505-1526, but cut. 1514-peasant revolt)
stats: 3/2/3 (downgraded by much, but I guess a 3/2/4 is too much at this time)
rank: low-middle (he was in command of all hungarian forces in the end - so IRL he had a high rank - but since it is pre 1541, and I don't want to scr.w up the AI hungary's performance, a low end rank is maybe better gameplay-wise)



POST 1541, fantasy hungary:


name: GYÖRGY THURY*
avaliable: 1550-1571
stats: 3/2/2 (realistic, maybe 3/1/3 is better)
rank: low


name: ÁDÁM KOLONITS*
avaliable: 1696-1717 (should be 1691-1722, cut. maybe avaliable for Austria)
stats: 3/2/3 (maybe 4/1/3 is better for a huszár officer)
rank: middle-high (should be one under Eugen di Savoy)


name: VAK BOTTYÁN (János Bottyán)
avaliable: 1686-1709 (should be avaliable for Transylvania if Hungary doesn't exists, from 1703-1709)
stats: 2/3/3/1 (if you find it too strong, then 2/3/3)
rank: middle


name: JÁNOS PÁLFFY*
avaliable: 1689-1709 (should be 1683-1718, but cut)
stats: 2/3/3 (maybe 2/4/2 or even 3/3/3)
rank: middle


name: ÁDÁM BÉRI-BALOGH
avaliable: 1699-1711 (also should be avaliable for an independent Transylvania, if Hungary doesn't exist)
stats: 4/2/2 (maybe 4/1/3)
rank: lowest possible


name: KÁROLY BATTHYÁNY*
avaliable: 1742-1765 (should be 1734-1772, but cut)
stats: 2/3/2 (a rare, talented hungarian infantry commander, maybe 2/3/3 or 2/4/2)
rank: middle

name: LÁSZLÓ BERCSÉNYI (could be for france if Hungary doesn't exist, as Ladislas de Berchenyi)
avaliable: 1719-1748 (he was a marshall for 1778, but after 1748, he was more of a supervisor of french cavalry, then actual general)
stats: 4/2/4 (if you want to weaken him, -1 fire)
rank: middle (if hungarian) high (if french)


name: JÓZSEF ALVINCZI*
avaliable: 1774-1797
stats: 3/3/3 (maybe 2/3/3)
rank: middle
 

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Could you please use non capital letters for names and special used characters? It will help for copy/paste at compiling time.

FILIPPO SCOLARI => Filippo Scolari
 

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anymore thoughts on post 935?

I have a few events in mind

Of course testing needs to be done. but it could help BRA
 

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YodaMaster said:
Only in case Bohemia is annexed by Corvinus Hungary, right?

No, I think a 5 province BOH is too big for a state that did nothing after the hussite wars except a war with corvinus in which it lost moravia.

my idea of a 1470 start date for this new state is to let the hussite wars go ahead because ROM use silesia in the hussite wars,

After the hussite wars, as far as i can tell , the ROM tag is not used anymore.

second , this new state should only emerge on condition the silesia become polish culture and that silesia is BOH owned.
 

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But Silesia becoming Polish means a player owning it in most of the cases. If owned by AI Poland, there is only 5% chance and Bohenia conquering it again is not sure at all and Bohemia was not this big.

Is there a real problem with a 5 provinces Bohemia?
 

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But Silesia becoming Polish means a player owning it in most of the cases. If owned by AI Poland, there is only 5% chance and Bohenia conquering it again is not sure at all and Bohemia was not this big.

Is there a real problem with a 5 provinces Bohemia?

events 129011 and 129044 for bohemia , will happen unless the rosenberg series is active
 

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Yes, sorry, I forgot the culture change in both events.

But still, is there a real problem with a 5 provinces Bohemia?
 

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YodaMaster said:
Yes, sorry, I forgot the culture change in both events.

But still, is there a real problem with a 5 provinces Bohemia?

as i stated , BOH , 5 province state only profits HAB, they basically (BOH) are a non entity. unless they war HUN (historical) and then they are too strong for corvinus. HUN can never own marovia and if they war (BOOh_HUN) HAB enters on side with BOH and sometimes leads to BOH owning either presburg or cathania

I am only giving an option to rebalance the game, minimize HAB in the 16th century, prop up BRA in the 16 th century.
I do not know how else it will benefit or be detrimental to the game.

Its a testing option.
 

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And it could be strange if Bohemia ahistorically expanded (a player...) in contiguous Polish or German provinces.