AGC & EEP: Bohemia and Hungary

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[hun event to sleep VEN is done

other events will not fire to trigger croatia twice

But HUN event will still be able to fire if Hungary conquers the province after one of the VEN has fired. There is time between 1435 and 1438 for example.

Shouldn't HUN event be slept by each of VEN events or is it intended?

With added action_b in all events, there is not effect (null command) for keeping the province, couldn't it be a badboy increase or a vp loss instead?

 

[Toio]

But HUN event will still be able to fire if Hungary conquers the province after one of the VEN has fired. There is time between 1435 and 1438 for example.

is this an issue ?

Shouldn't HUN event be slept by each of VEN events or is it intended?

intended

With added action_b in all events, there is not effect (null command) for keeping the province, couldn't it be a badboy increase or a vp loss instead?

ok, I made the option B for a human escape

I prefer badboy of 3

what u think, too low?

 

[Toio]

Not sure if it should be an existing one or not. Maybe an event for OE if Serbia is vassal triggering a Serbian one for breaking vasselage just before hstorical invasion.

i think a breakvassal command should go into both the following events

option a

277007

277025

 

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is this an issue ?

intended

This is not an issue since it is intended. I had to ask to be sure.

ok, I made the option B for a human escape

I prefer badboy of 3

what u think, too low?

IMHO, badboy 3 is sufficient.

 

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i think a breakvassal command should go into both the following events

option a

277007

277025

Ok for action_a in 277007 but I don't understand for action_a in 277025 since Serbia acts as a loyal vassal of OE for the warning (and increased relations).

 

[Toio]

This is not an issue since it is intended. I had to ask to be sure.

IMHO, badboy 3 is sufficient.

amended

 

[Toio]

Ok for action_a in 277007 but I don't understand for action_a in 277025 since Serbia acts as a loyal vassal of OE for the warning (and increased relations).

hmmm, you are correct, maybe event 277007 will be enough

 

[Toio]

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Capital for HUN should be in Magyar province as it is in the vanilla

I do not know the reasoning for it ever being moved to pest province

 

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No idea why it was decided this way but, as I said, "moving back" capital to Magyar province requires some adjustements:
location and name of the main city for Pest and Magyar
related events

EDIT: about the decision, see post #4 (first page of current thread):

Make the city in Magyar be the capital Buda (wrong side of the Danube, however).
Make the city in Pest be Pécs
OR
Make the city in Pest the capital Buda.
Make the city in Magyar Esztergom.

I think wrong side of the Danube for Magyar province is the main cause but location of the city sprite in Pest province could then be improved.

 

[Toio]

No idea why it was decided this way but, as I said, "moving back" capital to Magyar province requires some adjustements:
location and name of the main city for Pest and Magyar
related events

EDIT: about the decision, see post #4 (first page of current thread):


I think wrong side of the Danube for Magyar province is the main cause but location of the city sprite in Pest province could then be improved.

very lame decisions and suggestions from post 4, mostly because of wrong provinces naming, also he was inaccurate in some areas eg the capital of banat is not what he says , but its Timişoara

i do see a benefit in moving the capital though, ...for one the TUR can hold Pest with HUN still in play and thus the TUR is closer to vienna without having to take an extra province

Besides, pest to me really represents pannonia

 

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very lame decisions and suggestions from post 4, mostly because of wrong provinces naming, also he was inaccurate in some areas eg the capital of banat is not what he says , but its Timişoara

Temesvár and Timisoara is the same city. Temesvár is the hungarian, Timisoara is the romanian form.

i do see a benefit in moving the capital though, ...for one the TUR can hold Pest with HUN still in play and thus the TUR is closer to vienna without having to take an extra province

This is very true!

Besides, pest to me really represents pannonia

The name pannonia is a name of a roman province.
However the EU2 Pest province is more or less the roman pannonia without the north croatian/north serbian/east austrian parts.

 

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i do see a benefit in moving the capital though, ...for one the TUR can hold Pest with HUN still in play and thus the TUR is closer to vienna without having to take an extra province

This is very true!

Good point.

Which name and exact location for Pest main city then? Same question about location of Buda in Magyar province as capital.

After that we will have to check all events related to the capital of Hungary and involved provinces...

 

[Toio]

Temesvár and Timisoara is the same city. Temesvár is the hungarian, Timisoara is the romanian form.





This is very true!





The name pannonia is a name of a roman province.
However the EU2 Pest province is more or less the roman pannonia without the north croatian/north serbian/east austrian parts.

i only use the term pannonia when I think or do not want to confuse modders when I say SLAVONIA hoping not to confuse it with slovenia, 2 different places

 

[Toio]

Good point.

Which name and exact location for Pest main city then? Same question about location of Buda in Magyar province as capital.

After that we will have to check all events related to the capital of Hungary and involved provinces...

main city if pest equals SLAVONIA province would be Krajina..........but do not know what the hungarian name for the area was.

i found this as well

Note: Verőce is also a town in Pest county, Hungary.
Verőce is the Hungarian name for the city Virovitica.
the autonomous region Croatia-Slavonia within the Kingdom of Hungary

15th century hungarian administrative areas for Slavonia
Slavonia

* Crisiensis
* Dubicensis
* Orbasz (also spelled Vrbas, Wrbas, Urbas etc. )
* Szana (at the Sana River)
* Varasdinensis
* Verovitiensis
* Zagrabiensis

 

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If you make 'pest' 'slavonija', the hungarian transdanubia region (with cities: Székesfehérvár, Pécs, Veszprém) will not be represented by anything in the map!

The pest province on the present map looks like more then half of Transdanubia, with croatian/serbian (or is it serban? ) population in the south.
It should not have a slavonic name, nor slavonic population, as the majority here was always hungarian.


Suggested city names for the Pest province: Székesfehérvár, Pécs, Veszprém (preferably the 1st)

 

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15th century hungarian administrative areas for Slavonia
Slavonia

as you can see from the names, the today so called geographic and the previous administrative region of slavonia is different. the area which is called today slavonia in croatia belonged directly to the hungarian crown and also it had a hungarian speaking population majority till the ottoman conquest. the administrative slavonian area was near Zagreb, west to the geographic slavonia.

 

[Toio]

If you make 'pest' 'slavonija', the hungarian transdanubia region (with cities: Székesfehérvár, Pécs, Veszprém) will not be represented by anything in the map!

The pest province on the present map looks like more then half of Transdanubia, with croatian/serbian (or is it serban? ) population in the south.
It should not have a slavonic name, nor slavonic population, as the majority here was always hungarian.





Suggested city names for the Pest province: Székesfehérvár, Pécs, Veszprém (preferably the 1st)

did you read post 754 ??

veroce is the hungarian name not slavic :wacko:

 

[Toio]

as you can see from the names, the today so called geographic and the previous administrative region of slavonia is different. the area which is called today slavonia in croatia belonged directly to the hungarian crown and also it had a hungarian speaking population majority till the ottoman conquest. the administrative slavonian area was near Zagreb, west to the geographic slavonia.

who cares what they are called today !!!!!!!!!!!
its the same as idiots referring to that area as jugoslavia

the info was from the 15th century hungarian naming of SLAVONIA, held by hungary

you need to get your facts right. plus you are interfering with the process of righting the HUN capital back to its original GAME place in magyar

 

[Toio]

what to discuss game balance issues for HUN

In many of my games HUN is far too powerful by 1500 for any central or balkan europe nation to tackle.

in 1419 , HUN start with 11 provinces .....far greater than most other nations
In vanilla they had only 9
HUN mostly wipe out HAB , take some BOH lands , serbian lands , bosnian lands, wallachian lands, moldovian lands.
which the worst case scenario gives HUN 18 to 19 province by early corvinus time. making HUN the greatest nation in eastern europe

now my recommendations

HUN loose 1 point of quality when the 1440 revolts occur after HUN goes under POL

Hun loose cores on dalmatia and Croatia from 1438 regadless of sale of VEN event of dalmatia occurs

HUN annex serbia ONLY if serbia does not own kosovo

After corvinus, quality of HUN troops drop by 3

then by 1500 , HUN should only have cores of Maros, Magyar and Pest. all other cores should be removed piecemeal by 1500

note: move of HUN capital does not make much difference as I tested via a command via event (similar to BUR)

 

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then by 1500 , HUN should only have cores of Maros, Magyar and Pest. all other cores should be removed piecemeal by 1500

note: move of HUN capital does not make much difference as I tested via a command via event (similar to BUR)

Isn´t the normal flow of events that Hungary *becomes* Transsylvania after Zapolya and so needs the cores on those provinces that the state of TS/SIE later owns?