AGC & EEP: Bohemia and Hungary

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Not a big work at all but id + name of each involved leader will be helpful.

Hungary:

Ferenc II Rákóczy - 061310

Transylvania (sie):

Zsigmond Báthory - 0124300
Zsigmond Báthory - 0124301 (ahistorical choice)
György I Rákóczi - 0124304
György II Rákóczi - 0124305
Ferenc II Rákóczi - 0124307



These guys shouldn't be able to steal sieges IMHO from the likes of Prinz Eugen...

 

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Ok, all of them rank = 2 then since rank of Prinz Eugen is 1.

Rank of monarchs "should" always be 0, according to Havard's Bible here. I don't know if it is really mandatory. Could someone confirm?

if yes, category will have to be changed to general for such monarchs.

Btw, name of 0124307 should be changed to Ferenc II Rákóczi (Ferenc Rakoczi II, currently). And same for 061310 (Ferenc II Rákóczy currently).

Other typos in names?

 

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Btw, name of 0124307 should be changed to Ferenc II Rákóczi (Ferenc Rakoczi II, currently). And same for 061310 (Ferenc II Rákóczy currently).

Other typos in names?

If you correct it, and use á,é,ó and such, make both Ferenc II Rákóczi. (it is 'i' in the end in both cases.)


Others:

HUN:
Pal Kinizsi (061303) - Pál Kinizsi
Miklos Zrinyi (061301) - Miklós Zrínyi
Istvan Bocskai (061306) - István Bocskai
Miklos Zrinyi II (061308) - Miklós Zrínyi II
Imre Thokoly (061309) - Imre Thököly
Ferenc Nadasdy (061311) - Ferenc Nádasdy
Andras Hadik (061312) - András Hadik


TRA:
Miklos Zrinyi II (0124308) - Miklós Zrínyi
Ferenc Nadasdy (0124309) - Ferenc Nádasdy
Andras Hadik (0124310) - András Hadik



There were plans to add Ladislas Bercsenyi or Filippo Scolari.
The hungarian formes are:
Bercsényi László and Pipó Ozorai.

 

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We can use all diacritic characters from the ANSI table.

 

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Pipó Ozorai.

That should be Filippo Scolari instead IMHO. he was an italian.

 

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That should be Filippo Scolari instead IMHO. he was an italian.

Yep, I know.

That was my first thought too, but I have the feeling that 'Ozorai Pipó' is a more known name for him in Hungary.

 

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Hi!

I checked the hungarian/transylvanian leader file, and found that the leaders (under) are all 'monarch' class generals.
This is fine as they were the princes of Transylvania, but compared to Ottoman or Austrian leaders, they were much less influental.

I mean, Báthory or Rákóczy should not be able to steal sieges from Sokullu Mehmed, Eugen di Savoy or Raimondo Montecuccoli...

Maybe Bethlen should, but the others definietly shouldn't. It is not a big problem, but I think it is an unfair advantage for Hungary/Transylvania.
I don't know if making them a 'general' is a big work or not though...



the problem personnel: Báthory Zsigmond, II. Rákóczy Ferenc, I. Rákóczy György, II. Rákóczy György

I must disagree with this.
Rulers of Transylvania were rulers of an almost independent but separate country, they were acknowledged as real monarchs, had royal marriages, royal contracts, etc. They should keep their leader status.

 

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I must disagree with this.
Rulers of Transylvania were rulers of an almost independent but separate country, they were acknowledged as real monarchs, had royal marriages, royal contracts, etc. They should keep their leader status.

I agree with galuska, these guys weren't generals, did not lead armies.

 

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I agree with galuska, these guys weren't generals, did not lead armies.

My point was not this, but _gameplay wise_ it is not a good idea for these guys to be at the highest rank avaliable.

For example I can't imagine Thököly arriving at the siege of Vienna, and saying the grand vizir "thanks, but I will take it from here".

 

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My point was not this, but _gameplay wise_ it is not a good idea for these guys to be at the highest rank avaliable.

For example I can't imagine Thököly arriving at the siege of Vienna, and saying the grand vizir "thanks, but I will take it from here".

IIRC , set by IB ( i could be wrong) , the ranks for our game do not reflect history but are set to our game. so the proposals for more leaders regardless if they are monarchs should have different "game military" rankings that fit within the leaders of its neighbours, either above, the same or below.

so Thorkoly could be ranked at 4 if his status with his alliance is low historically.

 

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According to Ostmarch new status:

#(1526) The Death of King Lajos of Bohemia
#by McLeod
event = {
	id = 3642 #also triggered by HUN_19014
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			monarch = 022508 #Lev z Rozmitálu (Regent)
			monarch = 022526 #Lev z Rozmitálu (Regent) 2nd version
			monarch = 022525 #Karel z Minsterberka (Regent)
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = BOH
	name = "EVENTNAME3642" #The Death of King Lajos of Bohemia
	desc = "EVENTHIST3642"
	#-#

	date = { day = 28 month = august year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3642A" #Accept the Habsburgs as Elected Kings
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 200 }
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 315 } #Moravia
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BRA value = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = trigger which = 3187 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Bohemia
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3642B" #Accept the Habsburgs as Hereditary Kings
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BRA value = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 314 } #Silesia
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = trigger which = 3733 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Bohemia
	}
}

#-#In the year 1526 King Lajos II died childless, Emperor Maximilian of Habsburg, also King-elect of Bohemia and thus Elector of the Empire managed to have the kingship become hereditary in his family.

 

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IIRC , set by IB ( i could be wrong) , the ranks for our game do not reflect history but are set to our game. so the proposals for more leaders regardless if they are monarchs should have different "game military" rankings that fit within the leaders of its neighbours, either above, the same or below.

so Thorkoly could be ranked at 4 if his status with his alliance is low historically.

to continue

so since Rozmberk is a rank of 3 then the introduction of Pipo of Ozora should be rank 4 , so as not to take lands away from ROM

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 061313 }
category = general
name = "Pipo of Ozora"
startdate = {
year = 1419
}
deathdate = {
year = 1426
}
rank = 4
movement = 3
fire = 2
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = no
remark = "Filippo Scolari, florentine soldier fighting for Hungaria"
}

 

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#(1430-1438) Civil war in Bosnia
event ={
id = 188030
trigger = {
NOT = { vassal = { country = BOS country = HUN } }
exists = BOS
neighbour = BOS
event = 130008 #BOS: Internal conflicts
}
random = no
country = HUN
name = "EVENTNAME188030" #Civil war in Bosnia
desc = "EVENTHIST188030"
#-#Kingdom of Bosnia was a chaotic realms where dukes constantly battle each other for territories. The most famous rivalry of that age was between Pavlovic and Kosaca families. After a quiet period, the rivalry revived when Duke Radoslav Pavlovic attacked and defeated the Republic of Ragusa because they tried to turn Cavtat, a town they bought from him, into a fortress. Duke Sandalj Hranic Kosaca immediately intervened on Ragusan side and attacked his archrival. King Tvrtko II was mostly helpless to solve the dispute. Since Duke Sandalj had the support of the Ottomans, Duke Radoslav asked Despot Djuradj of Serbia to broker peace. At almost the same time, King Tvrtko II went to war with Zlatonosovic family in eastern Bosnia. Since they were friends of Duke Sandalj and Serbian Despot, King Tvrtko II decided to throw his lot with Duke Radoslav. A real civil war started in Bosnia. As Kings faction began to loose the war, treacherous Duke Radoslav switched sides and joined the Serbian Despot's camp in 1433. This coalition of Serbian Despot and Bosnian Dukes put forth their own candidate for Tvrtko's replacement: Radivoj. The hostilities temporarily ceased when Emperor Sigismund announced his support for King Tvrtko II and Despot Djuradj withdrew from the conflict. Hungarian army arrived as promised in 1434 and changed the tide of the battle. Coalition of rebellious Dukes was defeated and forts held by Ottomans liberated. Duke Sandalj was crushed by Duke Djuradj Vojsalic, who joined forces with King Tvrtko II when Hungarian army arrived, and died from illness in March 1435. King Tvrtko traveled to Hungary to swear vassalage to Emperor Sigismund. Upon his return to Bosnia, he started a campaign together with Duke Radoslav Pavlovic to destroy Stepan Vukcic, the new Duke Kosaca. King Tvtrko II was also aided by Croatian Princes Ivan and Stepan Frankopan who acted on the orders of Emperor Sigismund. Ottomans intervened on the behalf of Stepan Vukcic and reconquered one of the forts in Bosnia holding it against Hungarian troops until the end of the conflict. In 1436, Ivan Frankopan is denied the succession of the estates that belonged to his late father-in-law and switches sides to join Duke Stepan Vukcic. Hungarian army defeated and probably killed Ivan Frankopan. King Tvrtko II realized that he will not be able to expel the Turks from Bosnia and crush Stepan Vukcic, so he renewed his oath to Ottoman Sultan and reconciled with his enemy. Together with Stepan Vukcic and the Ottoman forces, the King turned on Duke Radoslav and utterly defeated him in 1438.

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1430 }
offset = 20
deathdate = { day = 29 month = july year = 1438 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME188030A" #Bosnia is ours again
command = { type = relation which = SER value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = BOS value = 200 }
command = { type = vassal which = BOS }
command = { type = alliance which = BOS }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 } #Losses in Bosnia
}
}

event above should trigger an independence for croatia ( representing the text) and war against hungaria, IF croatia is owned by HUN

IF croatia is owned by VEN, then we can go ahistorical (partly) and split to another 2 events

1. if VEN - styria relations are above 140, then VEN cede croatia to styria to represent the holdings that celli had and not the frankopans, plus relations between ven- styria are improved and those between HUn and styria are worsened

OR

2. If VEN - stryia relations are below 140 , then VEN free croatia as indendent , ruled by the frankopans and relations between styria and croatia is neutral


as for existing event above , why , the bad relations between HUN and VEN ??
is it to cause another war,??

 

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event above should trigger an independence for croatia ( representing the text) and war against hungaria, IF croatia is owned by HUN

IF croatia is owned by VEN, then we can go ahistorical (partly) and split to another 2 events

1. if VEN - styria relations are above 140, then VEN cede croatia to styria to represent the holdings that celli had and not the frankopans, plus relations between ven- styria are improved and those between HUn and styria are worsened

OR

2. If VEN - stryia relations are below 140 , then VEN free croatia as indendent , ruled by the frankopans and relations between styria and croatia is neutral

Propose.

as for existing event above , why , the bad relations between HUN and VEN ??
is it to cause another war,??

No idea...

 

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No idea...

since the introductions of the SER, BOS, HUN recent events , i have failed to see a TUR "punch " a hole through the serbian wall to take banat as was previously the case.
we now ONLY rely on events to claim lands for TUR so that TUR has a chance to be at the gates of Vienna.

granted, these new events are historical, but really do not fit the current map and should be relooked at


There is many a time, I have seen a TUR sit idle, .........idle in that its looking to head into europe before the MAM wars

 

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I agree. Main problem is Serbia becoming vassal of OE and entering its alliance. With this, Serbia survives until the end of the game since OE will never break the vasselage because of the alliance.

We had the same problem with Albania. This is why I added an ahistorical but plausible event for Albania becoming Muslim and thus for OE to be able to diplo-annex in this case.

Couldn't we break the Serbian vasselage at the right time?

 

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proposal events with post 733 amendments

#(1430-1438) War in Croatia
event ={
id = new
trigger = {
NOT = { exists = CRO }
owned = { province = 366 data = HUN }
}
random = no
country = HUN
name = "EVENTNAME?" #War in Croatia
desc = "EVENTHIST?"
#-# In 1431, Nikola Frankopan is denied the succession of the huge estates that belonged to his late father. Hungarian army invaded and defeated Nikola Frankopan. Nikola Frankopan was ban (viceroy) of Croatia from 1426 to 1432. He was one of the first of his clan to make this name famous in Croatian history. Even before he became Ban, he owned the Island of Krk, the districts of Vinodol, Modrush, Senj, Gatska and Lika in Croatia. Sigsmund reappointed the title of Ban to Nikola on June 26, 1432. Prince Nikola died later in that same year. Some rumors were that he was murdered by opposing Barons loyal to Hermann II of Celli.

date = { month = january year = 1431 }
offset = 20
deathdate = { month = july year = 1438 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME?A" #Croatian autonomy
command = { type = relation which = BOS value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = SER value = -50 }
command = { type = independence which = CRO }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 111111 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 222222 }
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME?B" #No freedom!
command = { type = badboy value = 3 }
command = { }
}
}

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#(1430-1438) Autonomy in Croatia
event ={
id = 111111
trigger = {
NOT = { exists = CRO }
owned = { province = 366 data = VEN }
relation = { country = PRM data = 140 }
exists = PRM
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME?" #Autonomy in Croatia
desc = "EVENTHIST?"
#-# Wanting to establish a long peace with the Croatian estates owned by the frankopans, Venice gave autonomy to Croatia under the frankopans. Nikola Frankopan was ban (viceroy) of Croatia from 1426 to 1432. He was one of the first of his clan to make this name famous in Croatian history. He owned the Island of Krk, the districts of Vinodol, Modrush, Senj, Gatska and Lika in Croatia.

date = { month = july year = 1431 }
offset = 20
deathdate = { month = june year = 1435 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME?A" #Croatian autonomy
command = { type = independence which = CRO }
command = { type = relation which = CRO value = 50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = below } unsure if needed
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME?B" #No freedom!
command = { type = badboy value = 3 }
command = { }
}
}

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#(1430-1438) Give Croatia away
event ={
id = 222222
trigger = {
NOT = { exists = CRO }
owned = { province = 366 data = VEN }
NOT = { relation = { country = PRM data = 140 } }
exists = PRM
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME?" #Give Croatia away
desc = "EVENTHIST?"
#-# Wanting to establish a long peace with its eastern neighbours, the Celli's of Styria, Venice gave away Croatia to the Celli's. In 1433 the Holy Roman emperor, Sigismund donated the city of Varaždin, the county of Zagorje, and many estates in present-day Croatia to the family, this, plus already holding large estates in Styria, Carinthia, Carniola and in the territories of the Hungarian crown the Celli's influence rose and they became one of the most powerful families in the area to rival the Frankopans.

date = { month = july year = 1433 }
offset = 20
deathdate = { month = june year = 1435 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME?A" #Croatian giveaway
command = { type = secedeprovince which = PRM value = 366 }
command = { type = relation which = PRM value = 50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = above } unsure if needed
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME?B" #Keep it!
command = { type = badboy value = 3 }
command = { }
}
}

 

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I agree. Main problem is Serbia becoming vassal of OE and entering its alliance. With this, Serbia survives until the end of the game since OE will never break the vasselage because of the alliance.

We had the same problem with Albania. This is why I added an ahistorical but plausible event for Albania becoming Muslim and thus for OE to be able to diplo-annex in this case.

Couldn't we break the Serbian vasselage at the right time?

which event to break vassalage?

also check my proposals ..post 737

 

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which event to break vassalage?

Not sure if it should be an existing one or not. Maybe an event for OE if Serbia is vassal triggering a Serbian one for breaking vasselage just before hstorical invasion.

also check my proposals ..post 737

Reading it.

For post #733, neighbour condition is sufficient, exists one can be removed in this case.

About post #737, is it normal for HUN event to start in 1431 when first VEN event can start in 1430?
Dates in first line don't match date + deathdate for the three events.

Relation command in HUN event will not work since CRO doesn't exist. A triggered event is needed for this command (split the description of the original HUN event in this case for the two events in the end)

Shouldn't HUN event sleep the two VEN ones? And shouldn't VEN events sleep HUN one too? Or we could see Croatia appearing twice if annexed after the first appearance.

 

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For post #733, neighbour condition is sufficient, exists one can be removed in this case.

amended

About post #737, is it normal for HUN event to start in 1431 when first VEN event can start in 1430?
Dates in first line don't match date + deathdate for the three events.

amended

Relation command in HUN event will not work since CRO doesn't exist. A triggered event is needed for this command (split the description of the original HUN event in this case for the two events in the end)

amended

we will try without the relation command and see

Shouldn't HUN event sleep the two VEN ones? And shouldn't VEN events sleep HUN one too? Or we could see Croatia appearing twice if annexed after the first appearance.

amended

hun event to sleep VEN is done

other events will not fire to trigger croatia twice