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Cool!

Don't forget 8-bit flags for all this stuff. :D
 

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YodaMaster said:
Full reworked set for Corvinus (made by kolmy in GRT):
Looking at some sites I have found out this page where the flag should be following:
hu-1480b.gif

the reason for these black stripes seems to be because of that:

The flag of the Black Army. The Black Army was the centre of the mercenary force of King Mathias I.
From www.geocities.com/zaszlok/Muzeum : "5. The so-called `Black Army' banner, reconstruction This characteristic flag with a forked tail was reconstructed after a miniature in Philostratus Chronicle, one of the Corvinas, representing the 1485 entry of Corvin János, son of king Matthew, into Vienna. The black colour of the flag used to be white (argent) in fact, but the argent paint had become oxidised. The reconstruction preserves the original colour."
I made two images. The traditional (black) and the original (white (?)).

Actually, and according to what is said here above the real original flag should be following:
hu-1480w.gif


The provided link above in italic has the flag I have posted above in this thread.

The main concern is that the CoA from this flag seems to have no historical backings so, I would suggest using the current 1.50 Corvinus shield-smallshield CoA (which I don't like very much)
Mathias_Corvin.gif


or following ones:
ungarn1458.jpg

or
ungarn1458_2.jpg

both from the Japanese site I provided in the thread EGUFSM for AGCEEP.
 
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I suggest we keep the brown 1.51 stuff, which looks good. It's only the colours which are different really, anyway. :)

EDIT: Japanese and German - that's one bloody obscure mix... :rolleyes:
 
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YodaMaster said:
What do you suggest?
Using new flag (could be more "reddish" redone) and revert to 1.50 CoA?
We should need an expert on Hungarian matters...

What do we prefer, a new brand flag or a used one? :D
I am for a more reddish one, as it is nore consistent with Hungary, but also the white stripes? :confused:

I cannot find any longer the 1.50 shield, but I seem to remeber it was a bit ugly in the colors? Could you repost it here please?
 
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Bordic said:
We should need an expert on Hungarian matters...

PM "Hungarian Lord" - he will most likely know what is best to use. :)
 
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It has some good images, but I can only navigate by knowing the odd German word. Is there no decent selection of English or Burgundian CoAs? There's a Great Britain section, but that only has some Scots CoAs, the Commonwealth, and some Plantaganet nobles' ones. :)

Some Norman & Angevin shields would be lovely! :D :D :D
 

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#(1520-1526) Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary
Complicated sequence.. I think we should bring the discussion here (even if your posts remain in the bug thread). I don't think the 19008 should have two different options like that, as option b wont ever be taken by the AI, and therefore it cripples the AI. I think this event should occur no matter what Hungarian king is chosen, so a player of Hangary cannot avaoid it easily. If the psrt "..currently occupied by the boy-king Lajos." is removed, the text will work no matter what king holds the throne.
 

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Norrefeldt said:
Complicated sequence.. I think we should bring the discussion here (even if your posts remain in the bug thread). I don't think the 19008 should have two different options like that, as option b wont ever be taken by the AI, and therefore it cripples the AI. I think this event should occur no matter what Hungarian king is chosen, so a player of Hangary cannot avaoid it easily. If the psrt "..currently occupied by the boy-king Lajos." is removed, the text will work no matter what king holds the throne.
Well, that is the event we have and I have already thought about this possibility even if my bugfix was more concerning the monarch consistency.

In case we shoud then ignore the post 268 in bugfix thread.

I repost it here with the suggestion you gave:

Code:
#(1520-1526) Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary
event = {
	id = 19008
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB #Austria must exist
		owned = { province = 357 data = -1 } #Thrace
		control = { province = 357 data = -1 }
		NOT = { owned = { province = 356 data = HUN } } #Bulgaria
		NOT = { alliance = { country = HUN country = TUR } }
		exists = HUN
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19008" #Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST19008"
	#-#

	date = { day = 22 month = September year = 1520 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 22 month = August year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008A" #Send the messengers
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 316 } #Carpathia
		command = { type = addcore which = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = addcore which = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = addcore which = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = addcore which = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Austria
		command = { type = trigger which = 19009 } #HUN: Suleyman Demands Our Submission
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 301064 } #TUR: The Habsburgs' threat
	}
	[COLOR=Red]action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008B" #The Habsburgs are no threat
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 301064 } #TUR: The Habsburgs' threat
	}[/COLOR]
}
#-#When Suleyman I became Sultan of the Ottoman Empire in 1520, he was faced with a grave crisis. The rise of the Habsburgs in Austria and Spain had created a superpower. Moreover, the Habsburgs had a potential claim to the Hungarian throne, currently occupied by the boy-king Lajos. Should the Habsburgs seize that throne, their armies would be within striking distance of Constantinople itself. In order to fend off this developing threat, Ottoman diplomats strove to strengthen relations with Venice and France. Hungary, however, must pay tribute to the Sultan, must grant the Ottoman troops transit rights through their country, and must renounce all ties with the Habsburgs. If they refused, war would surely follow.



But I would also remove action B from this ahistorical event in case HUN doesn't exist:
Code:
#(1526) The Habsburgs' threat - Ahistorical
event = {
	id = 301064
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB #Austria must exist
		owned = { province = 357 data = -1 } #Thrace
		owned = { province = 356 data = -1 } #Bulgaria
		NOT = { exists = HUN }
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301064" #The Habsburgs' threat
	desc = "EVENTHIST301064"
	#-#

	date = { day = 23 month = august year = 1526 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 6 month = september year = 1566 } #Suleyman's death

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008A" #Send the messengers
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 316 } #Carpathia
		command = { type = addcore which = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = addcore which = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = addcore which = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = addcore which = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Austria
	}
	[COLOR=Red]action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008B" #The Habsburgs are no threat
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
	}[/COLOR]
}
#-#After Suleyman I became Sultan of the Ottoman Empire in 1520, he was faced with a grave crisis. The rise of the Habsburgs in Austria and Spain had created a superpower. In order to fend off this developing threat, Ottoman diplomats strove to strengthen relations with Venice and France.

EDIT: removed events from bugfix thread and reposted with improvements in this thread.
 
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mandead said:
PM "Hungarian Lord" - he will most likely know what is best to use. :)


My informants said someone mentioned me here, so here I am. :D
I'll look through the thread now and edit this post as soon as I've come up with some answer.


Edit: If you want to use Mátyás' CoA then here's the historically accurate with all the ruled parts' CoA on it:
001110.jpg


It's black and white but that's the only one I've found. Mandead's proposed military Hungarian (Árpád) flag is most accurate.

Also I read about a flag called "Mátyás flag" which was used by his soldiers but unfortunately I didn't find an image so far.
Anyway I can get into our school's nice library and hunt for a book on Mátyás. Surely there will be a few.
 
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Norrefeldt said:
It all looks good.
Second try with events removed from bugfix thread post 268 concerning

-There seems to be a problem with the event sequence playing Hungary and electing (unhistorically) János I Corvin after the death of Matthias. After János I Corvin dies in 1504, Zápolya becomes the next king (as János II Zápolya) until 1540. However, the (historical) events concerning king Lajos and Sulejman kick in around 1526 (Lajos insults Sulejman, Death of Lajos - election of Zápolya or Ferdinand etc.)
Code:
#(1490) Death of Mathias Corvinus with Austria existing
event = {
	id = 188122
	trigger = {
		flag = Corvinus
		exists = HAB
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME188122" #Death of Mathias Corvinus
	desc = "EVENTHIST188122"
	#-#

	date = { day = [COLOR=Yellow]5[/COLOR] month = april year = 1490 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188122A" #Elect Vladislav Jagiello
		command = { type = technology which = torthodox }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 2 }
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		#command = { type = AI which = peaceful.ai }
		command = { type = setflag which = Jagiello }
		command = { type = clrflag which = Corvinus }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 315 } #Moravia
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 330 } #Sudeten
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = removecore which = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = removecore which = 328 } #Bohemia
		command = { type = removecore which = 330 } #Sudeten
		command = { type = removecore which = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = removecore which = 315 } #Moravia
		command = { type = removecore which = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = trigger which = 258104 } #POL: Wladyslaw Jagiello, King of Hungary
		command = { type = flagname which = "" }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188122B" #Elect Maximilian of Habsburg (End Game)
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 315 } #Moravia
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 330 } #Sudeten
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 179111 } #HAB: Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 301029 } #TUR: The Kingdom of Hungary
		command = { type = flagname which = "" }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188122C" #Janos Corvinus shall be King!
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
		command = { type = independence which = SIE }
		command = { type = trigger which = 282000 } #SIE: Resistance to Janos Corvinus
		command = { type = trigger which = 179112 } #HAB: Civil War in Hungary (Grants cores) #HAB: Civil War in Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 301029 } #TUR: Claims on Hungary #TUR: The Kingdom of Hungary
		command = { type = stability value = -6 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 315 } #Moravia
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 330 } #Sudeten
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = removecore which = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = removecore which = 328 } #Bohemia
		command = { type = removecore which = 330 } #Sudeten
		command = { type = removecore which = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = removecore which = 315 } #Moravia
		command = { type = removecore which = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 240 value = 8 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061013 } #Jagiellon #Ulászló II
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061016 } #Janos I Corvinus
	}
}
#-#In the last years of his reign Mathias Corvinus tried to ensure the succession of his highly gifted, but illegitimate son Janos, made him the largest landholder in Hungary after the King by several grants of territory, put him in charge of several of the strongest and most important fortresses, gave him the holy crown of St. Stephen and got a majority of the royal council to support Janos. However Mathias died of a stroke before the matter was definitely secured, and the young, inexperienced Janos was soon deprived of his rights and his property by the Hungarian magnates who were fed up with the strong central rule introduced by Mathias and desired a monarch 'whose beard they could hold in their fists'. Such a candidate was found in Vladislav Jagiello, King of Bohemia since 1471. Called 'King All Right' by his Bohemian subjects because of his weakness, irresoluteness and saying yes to everything, obviously completely incompetent for ruling a Kingdom and having already initiated a rapid decline of Bohemia, he was the easily controllable puppet King the magnates were looking for. Vladislav was elected King on July 5th 1490 and immediately thereafter accepted the compact of Farkashida in which he confirmed all existing privileges of the nobility and took back all legal and administrative reforms, including the efficient system of taxation regarded as repressive by the magnates. After 3 decades of prosperity and modernisation, the election of Vladislav initiated a rapid decline, ending up in the disaster of Mohacs. Another candidate to the throne was Maximilian of Habsburg who maintained the claim of his father Friedrich III, but since he had already proven to be a capable ruler and would have been likely to use his powerbase in the Empire, Austria and Burgundy to consolidate his authority in Hungary, he was no popular choice. Had Janos Corvinus indeed managed to become King, he might have continued the achievements of his father, but would have been violently opposed by the powerful magnates.


Code:
#(1490) Death of Mathias Corvinus with Habsburgs dead
event = {
	id = 188123
	trigger = {
		flag = Corvinus
		NOT = { exists = HAB }
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME188123" #The succession of Mathias Corvinus
	desc = "EVENTHIST188123"
	#-#

	date = { day = [COLOR=Yellow]5[/COLOR] month = april year = 1490 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188123A" #Elect Vladislav Jagiello
		command = { type = technology which = torthodox }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 2 }
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		#command = { type = AI which = peaceful.ai }
		command = { type = setflag which = Jagiello }
		command = { type = clrflag which = Corvinus }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 315 } #Moravia
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 330 } #Sudeten
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = removecore which = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = removecore which = 328 } #Bohemia
		command = { type = removecore which = 330 } #Sudeten
		command = { type = removecore which = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = removecore which = 315 } #Moravia
		command = { type = removecore which = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = trigger which = 258104 } #POL: Wladyslaw Jagiello, King of Hungary
		command = { type = flagname which = "" }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188123B" #Janos Corvinus shall be King!
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
		command = { type = independence which = SIE }
		command = { type = trigger which = 282000 } #SIE: War against Corvinus #SIE: Resistance to Janos Corvinus
		[COLOR=Red]command = { type = trigger which = 179112 } #HAB: Civil War in Hungary (Grants cores) #HAB: Civil War in Hungary[/COLOR]
		command = { type = trigger which = 301029 } #TUR: Claims on Hungary #TUR: The Kingdom of Hungary
		command = { type = stability value = -6 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 315 } #Moravia
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = BOH value = 330 } #Sudeten
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = removecore which = 327 } #Ostmarch[/COLOR]
		command = { type = removecore which = 328 } #Bohemia
		command = { type = removecore which = 330 } #Sudeten
		command = { type = removecore which = 314 } #Silesia
		command = { type = removecore which = 315 } #Moravia
		command = { type = removecore which = 329 } #Erz
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061013 } #Jagiellon #Ulászló II
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061016 } #Janos I Corvinus
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 240 value = 8 }
	}
}
#-#In the last years of his reign Mathias Corvinus tried to ensure the succession of his highly gifted, but illegitimate son Janos, made him the largest landholder in Hungary after the King by several grants of territory, put him in charge of several of the strongest and most important fortresses, gave him the holy crown of St. Stephen and got a majority of the royal council to support Janos. However Mathias died of a stroke before the matter was definitely secured, and the young, inexperienced Janos was soon deprived of his rights and his property by the Hungarian magnates who were fed up with the strong central rule introduced by Mathias and desired a monarch 'whose beard they could hold in their fists'. Such a candidate was found in Vladislav Jagiello, King of Bohemia since 1471. Called 'King All Right' by his Bohemian subjects because of his weakness, irresoluteness and saying yes to everything, obviously completely incompetent for ruling a Kingdom and having already initiated a rapid decline of Bohemia, he was the easily controllable puppet King the magnates were looking for. Vladislav was elected King on July 5th 1490 and immediately thereafter accepted the compact of Farkashida in which he confirmed all existing privilegues of the nobility and took back all legal and administrative reforms, including the efficient system of taxation regarded as repressive by the magnates. After 3 decades of prosperity and modernisation, the election of Vladislav initiated a rapid decline, ending up in the disaster of Mohacs. Had Janos Corvinus indeed managed to become King, he might have continued the achievements of his father, but would have been violently opposed by the powerful magnates.

Code:
#(1504) Death of Janos Corvinus - Corvinus prevails
event = {
	id = 188124
	trigger = {
		flag = Corvinus
		NOT = { exists = SIE }
		countrysize = 10
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME188124" #Death of Janos Corvinus
	desc = "EVENTHIST188124"
	#-#

	date = { day = 11 month = october year = 1504 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188124A" #Zapolya shall be King
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061017 } #János II Zápolya
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061018 } #János III Zápolya
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061014 } #Cardinal Bakócz (Regent)
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061015 } #Lajos II[/COLOR]
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061019 } #János I Zápolya
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 061020 } #János II Zápolya
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk value = -3 }
		command = { type = technology which = torthodox }
	}
}
#-#Janos Corvinus died prematurely on October 12th 1504; his only son Christopher is a weakly, ill child expected to die soon. Therefore shortly before his death he has approached Janos Zapolya, the most influential Hungarian magnate who is known to be opposed to a foreign King, and offered him the throne in order to reach a reconciliation between the crown and the magnates. The ambitious Zapolya accepts and will become King as Janos II. By giving the crown to him, opposition against central authority among the nobility will be substantially weakened - considering that all his friends and supporters can be expected to continue backing him as King.

Code:
#(1504) Death of Janos Corvinus - Corvinus fails
event = {
	id = 188125
	trigger = {
		flag = Corvinus
		OR = {
			exists = SIE
			NOT = { countrysize = 10 }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME188125" #Death of Janos Corvinus
	desc = "EVENTHIST188125"
	#-#

	date = { day = 11 month = october year = 1504 }

	action_a = { #same effects as in the 1490 event
		name = "ACTIONNAME188125A" #Crown Vladislav Jagiello
		command = { type = technology which = torthodox } #or even worse?
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 2 }
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		#command = { type = AI which = peaceful.ai }
		command = { type = setflag which = Jagiello }
		command = { type = clrflag which = Corvinus }
		command = { type = revoltrisk value = -8 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 061048 } #Ulászló II
		command = { type = inherit which = SIE }
		command = { type = trigger which = 258104 } #POL: Wladyslaw Jagiello, King of Hungary
	}
}
#-#Janos Corvinus died prematurely on October 12th 1504; his only son Christopher is a weakly, ill child expected to die soon. During his reign, Hungary has virtually disintegrated due to the hefty resistance of the nobility against a strong King and foreign powers taking advantage of Hungary's instability. The magnates who desired a weak puppet King already in 1490 have prevailed and manage to install Vladislav Jagiello of Bohemia now, an incompetent, irresolute figurehead who will lead Hungary into disaster.


Code:
#(1520-1526) Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary
event = {
	id = 19008
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB #Austria must exist
		owned = { province = 357 data = -1 } #Thrace
		control = { province = 357 data = -1 }
		NOT = { owned = { province = 356 data = HUN } } #Bulgaria
		NOT = { alliance = { country = HUN country = TUR } }
		exists = HUN
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19008" #Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary
	desc = "EVENTHIST19008"
	#-#

	date = { day = 22 month = September year = 1520 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 22 month = August year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008A" #Send the messengers
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 316 } #Carpathia
		command = { type = addcore which = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = addcore which = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = addcore which = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = addcore which = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Austria
		command = { type = trigger which = 19009 } #HUN: Suleyman Demands Our Submission (Janos Corvinus failed)
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = trigger which = 188009 } #HUN: Suleyman Demands Our Submission (Janos Corvinus prevailed)[/COLOR]
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 301064 } #TUR: The Habsburgs' threat
	}
	[COLOR=Red]action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008B" #The Habsburgs are no threat
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 301064 } #TUR: The Habsburgs' threat
	}[/COLOR]
}
#-#When Suleyman I became Sultan of the Ottoman Empire in 1520, he was faced with a grave crisis. The rise of the Habsburgs in Austria and Spain had created a superpower. Moreover, the Habsburgs had a potential claim to the Hungarian throne, currently occupied by the boy-king Lajos. Should the Habsburgs seize that throne, their armies would be within striking distance of Constantinople itself. In order to fend off this developing threat, Ottoman diplomats strove to strengthen relations with Venice and France. Hungary, however, must pay tribute to the Sultan, must grant the Ottoman troops transit rights through their country, and must renounce all ties with the Habsburgs. If they refused, war would surely follow.

and in case HUN doesn't exist:
Code:
#(1526) The Habsburgs' threat - Ahistorical
event = {
	id = 301064
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB #Austria must exist
		owned = { province = 357 data = -1 } #Thrace
		owned = { province = 356 data = -1 } #Bulgaria
		NOT = { exists = HUN }
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301064" #The Habsburgs' threat
	desc = "EVENTHIST301064"
	#-#

	date = { day = 23 month = august year = 1526 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 6 month = september year = 1566 } #Suleyman's death

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008A" #Send the messengers
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 316 } #Carpathia
		command = { type = addcore which = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = addcore which = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = addcore which = 324 } #Maros
		command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = addcore which = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = addcore which = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Austria
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepevent which = 19008 } #TUR: Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary[/COLOR]
	}
	[COLOR=Red]action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19008B" #The Habsburgs are no threat
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
	}[/COLOR]
}
#-#After Suleyman I became Sultan of the Ottoman Empire in 1520, he was faced with a grave crisis. The rise of the Habsburgs in Austria and Spain had created a superpower. In order to fend off this developing threat, Ottoman diplomats strove to strengthen relations with Venice and France.


LAJOS AND THEN BATTLE OF MOHACS (historical path)
#-----------------------------



Code:
#(1520-1526) Suleyman demands the Submission of Hungary
event = {
	id = 19009 #triggered by TUR_19008 A
	trigger = { 
		[COLOR=Yellow]NOT = { monarch = 061017 } #János II Zápolya (Janos Corvinus prevailed)[/COLOR]
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19009" #Suleyman Demands Our Submission
	desc = "EVENTHIST19009"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19009A" #Delay the ambassador, we must find allies
		command = { type = trigger which = 19010 } #TUR: Lajos insults Suleyman
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -100 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19009B" #We must submit
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19011 } #TUR: Lajos submits to Suleyman
	}
}
#-#In 1520, Suleyman I demanded an extension of the peace between Constantinople and Buda, with the additional terms that young King Lajos submit to the authority of the Sultan and reject the right of the Habsburgs to inherit Hungary. Lajos was also warned by Pope Leo X not to make peace with the Turk. Lajos detained Suleyman's ambassador while frantically seeking help around Europe. Due to his wars with France, however, his brother-in-law, Emperor Charles V of Spain, advised him to agree to Suleyman's demands. His other brother-in-law, Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, promised him aid, but was in no position to grant it. Lajos' only other possible ally, Poland, was under attack by the Crimean Tatars. Lajos faced Suleyman alone.


Code:
#(1520-1526) Lajos Insults the [COLOR=Yellow]Sultan[/COLOR] 
event = {
	id = 19010 #triggered by HUN_19009 A
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19010" #Lajos insults Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST19010"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19010A" #Prepare for battle!
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -100 }
	}
}
#-#When King Lajos of Hungary refused to answer the Sultan's ambassador, the Ottoman Empire had no option but to go to war. It was thought that the seizure of a few key forts would be enough to bring the Hungarians to heel. But things would not be that simple.

Code:
#(1520-1526) Lajos Submits to the Great Suleyman
event = {
	id = 19011 #triggered by HUN_19009 B or HUN_1901[COLOR=Yellow]3[/COLOR] B
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19011" #Lajos submits to Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST19011"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME40116A" #Excellent!
		command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { }[/COLOR]		
	}
}
#-#When King Lajos agreed to Suleyman's terms, it seemed that Hungary would be secure, if somewhat poorer and no longer quite independent. Suleyman was now free to deal with the growing threat of the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean. Lajos' act of statesmanship, however, was to prove his undoing.

Code:
#(1526) The Invasion of Hungary
event = {
	id = 19013
	trigger = { event = 19010 } [COLOR=Yellow]#HUN: Lajos insults Suleyman[/COLOR]
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19013" #The Turks Approach!
	desc = "EVENTHIST19013"
	#-#

	date = { day = 22 month = august year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19013A" #We will fight them!
		command = { type = trigger which = 19014 } #HUN: The Battle of Mohacs
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19013B" #We cannot hope to prevail
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = CAS value = -50 } #In case Spain never formed
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia
		command = { type = trigger which = 19011 } #TUR: Lajos submits to Suleyman
	}
}
#-#After seizing Belgrade and several other key forts guarding Hungary, Suleyman gave Lajos one last chance to see reason. An uprising in Egypt gave Lajos another year of breathing space, but he was still unable to find support in Europe. With the Sultan at the head of an 80,000 man army, Lajos prepared to face him with only 30,000 men.

Code:
#(1526) The Assassination of Lajos II
event = {
	id = 19015
	trigger = { event = 19011 } [COLOR=Yellow]#HUN: Lajos submits to Suleyman[/COLOR]
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19015" #The Assassination of Lajos II
	desc = "EVENTHIST19015"
	#-#

	date = { day = 22 month = August year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19015A" #Down with the King!
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19017 } #HUN: Electing a New King
		command = { type = trigger which = 3642 } #Election of the King of Bohemia #BOH: The Death of King Lajos of Bohemia
	}
}
#-#The nobles of Hungary were growing increasingly dissatisfied with the leadership of the boy-king. His failure to join the League of Cambrai against Venice and take back Dalmatia was not well-received. Submitting to be the vassal of the heathen Turks was the last straw. On August, 22, 1526, King Lajos of Hungary and Bohemia was assassinated by a conspiracy of nobles.




JANOS ZAPOLYA ALREADY RULER IN HUNGARY - NO LAJOS NO BATTLE OF MOHACS
#--------------------------------------------------------------------


Code:
#(1520-1526) Suleyman demands the Submission of Hungary
event = {
	id = 188009 #triggered by TUR_19008 A
	trigger = { monarch = 061017 } #János II Zápolya (Janos Corvinus failed)
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19009" #Suleyman Demands Our Submission
	desc = "EVENTHIST188009"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19009A" #Delay the ambassador, we must find allies
		command = { type = trigger which = 301066 } #TUR: János II insults Suleyman
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -100 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19009B" #We must submit
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 301067 } #TUR: János II submits to Suleyman
	}
}
EVENTHIST188009;In 1520, Suleyman I demanded an extension of the peace between Constantinople and Buda, with the additional terms that János II Zápolya submit to the authority of the Sultan and reject the right of the Habsburgs to inherit Hungary. János II was also warned by Pope Leo X not to make peace with the Turk. János II detained Suleyman's ambassador while frantically seeking help around Europe. Finding no ally able to grant a good military support in his fight against the Turk, János II had to face Suleyman alone.;;;;;;;;;;

Code:
#(1520-1526) János II Insults the Sultan
event = {
	id = 301066 #triggered by HUN_188009 A
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301066" #János II insults Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST301066"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19010A" #Prepare for battle!
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -100 }
	}
}
EVENTNAME301066;János II insults Suleyman;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST301066;When King János II of Hungary refused to answer the Sultan's ambassador, the Ottoman Empire had no option but to go to war. It was thought that the seizure of a few key forts would be enough to bring the Hungarians to heel. But things would not be that simple.;;;;;;;;;;

Code:
#(1520-1526) János II Submits to the Great Suleyman
event = {
	id = 301067 #triggered by HUN_188009 B or HUN_1901[COLOR=Yellow]3[/COLOR] B
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301067" #János II submits to Suleyman
	desc = "EVENTHIST301067"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME40116A" #Excellent!
		command = { type = vassal which = HUN }
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { }[/COLOR]		
	}
}
EVENTNAME301067;János II submits to Suleyman;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST301067;When King János II agreed to Suleyman's terms, it seemed that Hungary would be secure, if somewhat poorer and no longer quite independent. Suleyman was now free to deal with the growing threat of the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean. János II' act of statesmanship, however, was to prove his undoing.;;;;;;;;;;


And then we will have the events concerning the death of János Zápolya in 1540 to follow the historical path again.
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Code:
#(1540) The Death of János Zápolya
event = {
	id = 19024
	trigger = {
		NOT = {
			vassal = { country = TUR country = HUN }
			vassal = { country = HAB country = HUN }
		}
		[COLOR=Yellow]exists = HAB[/COLOR] 
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19019" #The Death of János Zápolya
	desc = "EVENTHIST19024"
	#-#

	date = { day = [COLOR=Yellow]22[/COLOR] month = july year = 1540 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016A" #Elect János Sigusmund of Transylvania
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 72 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 48 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 12 value = 1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 19026 } #HAB: The Death of János Zápolya
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016B" #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 12 value = 1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3185 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 19023 } #TUR: The Turks Respond
	}
}
#-#Zápolya's reign was contested from the very beginning. In 1538, Zápolya had secretly promised Ferdinand of Austria the Hungarian crown in order to buy peace. In 1540, while putting down a revolt in Transylvania, János died from illness, just three weeks after his Polish princess-bride had given him a son, János Sigusmund. With Zapolya's death, Ferdinand again invaded Hungary to try to claim his inheritence.

22 is because the following monarch wakes up on the 23rd...

So I suggest this change in monarchs.hun:

Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 061019 }
	name = "János I Zápolya"
	startdate = {
		day = 29
		month = august
		year = 1526
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = [COLOR=Yellow]23 #prev. 22[/COLOR]
		month = july
		year = 1540
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 5
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 061020 }
	name = "János II Zápolya"
	startdate = {
		year = 1540
		month = july
		day = 23
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1571
		month = may
		day = 24
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
}

and because of that

Code:
#(1540) The Death of János Zápolya
event = {
	id = 19021
	trigger = {
		exists = HAB
		exists = HUN
		vassal = { country = TUR country = HUN }
		event = 19016 [COLOR=Yellow]#HUN: Electing a New King (The Battle of Mohacs, pt II)[/COLOR]
		event = 3186 [COLOR=Yellow]#HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary[/COLOR]
		NOT = { event = 19019 } [COLOR=Yellow]#TUR: The Death of János Zápolya[/COLOR]
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME19019" #The Death of János Zápolya
	desc = "EVENTHIST19021"
	#-#

	date = { day = [COLOR=Yellow]22[/COLOR] month = july year = 1540 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19019A" #Split the Kingdom
		command = { type = inherit which = HUN }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 325 } #Magyar
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 353 } #Pest
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 316 } #Carpathia
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19019C" #Let Ferdinand have it!
		command = { type = trigger which = 3185 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule Hungary
	}
}
#-#Zápolya's reign was contested from the very beginning. In 1538, Zápolya had secretly promised Ferdinand of Austria the Hungarian crown in order to buy peace. In 1540, while putting down a revolt in Transylvania, János died from illness. With Zapolya's death, Ferdinand again invaded Hungary to try to claim his inheritence. Finally the Ottoman Sultan, having had enough with the chaos in his vassal, Hungary, split the country in two. He annexed Hungary, while Ferdinand held the Western portion. Hungary would remain divided between the two countries for the next 170 years.

So János II Zápolya will be slept in time, before the 23rd and Ferdinand of Austria will get the throne in event HUN_19018.


and because of the event TUR_19021 A which inherits HUN at certain conditions I'd suggest to put this comment:
Code:
#(1526) The Battle of Mohacs, pt II
event = {
	id = 19016 #triggered by HUN_19014
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19016" #Electing a New King
	desc = "EVENTHIST19016"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016A" #Elect János Zápolya of Transylvania [COLOR=Yellow](possible End Game)[/COLOR]
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 351 } #Austria
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 369 } #Steiermark
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #Ostmarch
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 150 }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL }
		command = { type = alliance which = TUR }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3186 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3639B" #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL }
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 362 } #Ragusa
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 365 } #Dalmatia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = TUR value = 366 } #Croatia
		command = { type = trigger which = 3185 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 19023 } #TUR: The Turks Respond
	}
}
#-#With Hungary defeated, Suleyman ordered the nobility of Hungary to chose whomever they wished for king, so long as he was not a Habsburg. Most of the nobles voted for János Zápolya of Transylvania, as he had the only army in Hungary. Led by the nobility of Croatia, however, many nobles argued for Ferdinand of Austria, despite the Sultan's orders, saying that only he could protect them from Suleyman.
 
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I find the sequence more complicated than is needed.

The two TUR events 301064 and 19008 can both happen, if in that order. We don't need them both, as the effects are the same no matter what. The text could just be written differently, as the whole threat come from HAB claims to the Hungarian throne, and those claims would be the same even if there were no HUN for the moment.
19010 also isn't needed, and if we want a -200 hit to relations, put it all in 19009A. The action text should be understandable from both sides: "Delay the ambassador". It will appear in the log and should be enough.
19013 should then be slept by 19009B. Or we could use a flag. Same thing with 301066.

Texts:
188122:
privilegues -> privileges

188124:
Janos Corvinus died prematurely on October 12th 1504; his only son Christopher is a weakly, ill child expected to die soon. Therefore shortly before his death he has approached Janos Zapolya, the most influential Hungarian magnate who is known to be opposed to a foreign King, and offered him the throne in order to reach a reconciliation between the crown and the magnates. The ambitious Zapolya accepts and will become King as Janos II. By giving the crown to him, opposition against central authority among the nobility will be substantially weakened - considering that all his friends and supporters can be expected to continue backing him as King.
 

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After using up a few hours to scan all the books I could find on Mátyás and the Hunyadis these CoAs were indeed included as historical ones:

Mathias_Corvin.gif

ungarn1458_2.jpg


The following Fekete Sereg flag wasn't show in any of these but they mentioned it:
hu-1480w.gif


This description is correct so that means it is backed by historical findings.
Th stripes should be white, becouse it the original Árpád style flag has white too and I'm sure they wouldn't make them black becouse of being "Black Brigade". But on the other hand I find the Coats of Arms on this army flag not historical and kinda made up from some fantasy.


Bordic: What's your problem with the current 1.50 CoA? :) It looks just good for me.
 

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Hungarian Lord said:
After using up a few hours to scan all the books I could find on Mátyás and the Hunyadis these CoAs were indeed included as historical ones:
[images]
The following Fekete Sereg flag wasn't show in any of these but they mentioned it:
[image]
This description is correct so that means it is backed by historical findings.
Th stripes should be white, becouse it the original Árpád style flag has white too and I'm sure they wouldn't make them black becouse of being "Black Brigade". But on the other hand I find the Coats of Arms on this army flag not historical and kinda made up from some fantasy.

Bordic: What's your problem with the current 1.50 CoA? :) It looks just good for me.
Well just cosmetic, I prefer the colors and graphics of the second CoA you posted
ungarn1458_2.jpg


and I agree with the flag you provided and the CoA should be one of the two you posted even if I have found some pictures where the "raven" is put in a quarter of the shield and not over it and in the middle...

And just for a question of displaying on the screen I prefer this:
ungarn1458.jpg

also because dalmatia should be historically and already lost to Venice. ;)
 

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Norrefeldt said:
I find the sequence more complicated than is needed.

The two TUR events 301064 and 19008 can both happen, if in that order. We don't need them both, as the effects are the same no matter what. The text could just be written differently, as the whole threat come from HAB claims to the Hungarian throne, and those claims would be the same even if there were no HUN for the moment.
Sorry, I don't understand here. I am trying to solve a problem, bugfixing if we want, with current events adding the alternative situation in case Zapolia and not Janos Corvinus and than Lajos is on the throne between 1504 and 1526 when these events happen. As to let Turkey get their cores on Austria I have written a couple of sister events for HUN and TUR testing the current monarchs. The problem with the events you report (301064 and 19008 ) can be solved by adding a sleepevent command in TUR_301064 action A referred to 19008 in the same way as it is done to 19008:
Code:
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 19008 } #TUR: Suleyman demands the keys to Hungary

And why should we remove events which were already created if the combination of them can be easily bugfixed as I have tried to do?
19010 also isn't needed, and if we want a -200 hit to relations, put it all in 19009A. The action text should be understandable from both sides: "Delay the ambassador". It will appear in the log and should be enough.
19013 should then be slept by 19009B. Or we could use a flag. Same thing with 301066.
AS for the rest I don't know as there should be a purpose of the first modder for this sort of complicated sequence...
Could you please post your alternative to these events? :)
...better if using my suggested bugfixes... ;)
 
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