- Jul 1, 2007
Now that would be telling....
But yeah, battles like Tarawa and Iwo Jima will be very different.
But yeah, battles like Tarawa and Iwo Jima will be very different.
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hmm and here i thought the major requirement to be a marine was the willingness to charge a pillbox on command.Communist Marines. That's probably not going to go well is it? Many of the vital skills you need (like improvisation and independent thinking) are probably the same ones the Central Committee is keenest to see stamped out.
How many Essex class carriers are in each run? Along with probably how many older carriers survived the civil war or were aborted by it? Similarly with British carrier strength at this point?Navy was professional enough to force himself to an honest statement. “Between them the Allied Navies outnumber us significantly. The second run of People's Republic Class Carriers won't be ready before the end of the year and until then the British Pacific Fleet is the only significant Carrier Force in the Pacific, and in spit of breaking even with the Japanese and outnumbering us severely they keep building. Only yesterday they have announced the launch of yet another Implacable Class Carrier. I doubt they have much to learn from us at this time, except maybe in Carrier aircraft.”
Sounds like the basis for a perpetual motion plant. All they have to do is hook up to all those old US marines spinning at near light speed in their graves. Given the degree of rivalry that existed between the services [not to mention between the marines and the rest of the navy] this will be popular, not. Almost as bad as what we did with the FAA in the 20's and 30's, although it sounds like at least the marines stay under naval command.“Agreed.” Army said after thinking things over. After all, his command ran these camps and even the Navy's vaunted Marines went through these Army Camps.
Sounds like rank still has it's privileges, even in a people's republic. I wonder how many stops they make on the way.“Comrade Admiral?”
It was a young woman in her early twenties, wearing the Army-style uniform of the Defence Militia and his 'personal' driver. It was good not to be otherwise shackled down.
Must admit I have heard similar. Reports that during the war to liberate Kuwait the British forces were very glad that the amphibious landing was a feint and that they had nothing to do with the US marines because of concerns about their preference for frontal assaults.hmm and here i thought the major requirement to be a marine was the willingness to charge a pillbox on command.
Probably not to dissimilar. Problems like managing initiative are pretty much universal in states that tend toward the totalitarian but even the darkest such systems often motivate a lot of people to fight ferociously for them, at least in the early days of the system. That is I would expect them to be very tough fighters, probably also well equipped as elite troops for their service.be awfully interesting to see how these marines compare to the real deal in action.
I think that proves my point, that's how bad they are when the officers are allowed to think for themselves. Imagine how much worse they'd be with a politically chosen Commissar directing them instead of people selected on ability...Must admit I have heard similar. Reports that during the war to liberate Kuwait the British forces were very glad that the amphibious landing was a feint and that they had nothing to do with the US marines because of concerns about their preference for frontal assaults.
Well actually I took the liberty of them finding out that political reliability does not equate military competence during the Civil War. There are political officers but they have very little Military authority. Think 1970s-1980s Soviet Union in this regard.I think that proves my point, that's how bad they are when the officers are allowed to think for themselves. Imagine how much worse they'd be with a politically chosen Commissar directing them instead of people selected on ability...
Oh yes, she will see combat in this war. And after this war too.If Vimy Ridge there gets into combat before she's obsoleted, let's hope it's as much of a crushing defeat for Canada's enemies as her namesake!
The ANZACs will remain best buddies, and do a lot of military co-operation. ANZAC Division anyone?And of course, I was just kidding around with the New Zealander Carrier - they'll probably justify the Aussie's as being half theirs, what with the ANZACs still in existence.
Pretty much. The 'divorce' between the Commonwealth and South Africa is inspired by the way Rhodesia/Zimbabwe left OTL.Likewise, the South Africans will remain the redheaded stepchild of the Dominions until they up and leave, amirite?
while there is something to the balls to the wall aggression theory of combat in warfare it does tend to be expensive as a regular habit.Must admit I have heard similar. Reports that during the war to liberate Kuwait the British forces were very glad that the amphibious landing was a feint and that they had nothing to do with the US marines because of concerns about their preference for frontal assaults.
Don't forget that even democratic systems often prove very resistant to learning lessons. Plenty of cases for Britain in WWII and think of the fun and games with US torpedoes in mid-war!
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On point 7, by 'the war' do you mean WWII or the Kuwait conflict?
1) Four Essex per run, and these aren't going to be the last.
2) Of the older CVs only a handful survived. I never pinned down exactly how many American Carriers survived, but it were no more than three. The Enterprise was sunk/scuttled, and her replacement was sunk at Pearl Harbour, so right now the Americans have no more than five CVs.
3) Including the Canadian and Australian CVs, nine, the four historical Lusties and so far three more Implacables. More on the way.
4) For this America the Pacific is an all-out effort. While it's never going to be as bad as it was for the Soviet Union or China OTL, how much of that can be maintained after the war is so far an open question. (I have my own Ideas so far but yeah..)
5) Well, the Marines are merely using Army training infrastructure for things both have in common, i.e. basic Infantry tactics. A whole lot of people are spinning, starting with George Washington and stopping with Pershing and Patton..
6) He's a warm-blooded human male. Whatever the system, some things are the same wherever you go.
7) So have I, but after reading a lot of stuff about the USMC during The War I can tell you there's more to Marines than that.
8) You pretty much nailed it. The Marines are the elite force in America, lacking any need for Paras, and in the absence of Soviet-Style Guards Divisions. Also for the moment the training being conducted heavily relies on the old US doctrine (including the faulty Armoured one), and even though that wont last after the war for the moment we can estimate what will happen by taking OTL as a yardstick.
As for learning lessons, that was actually part of the basic premise for this AAR: "What if Britain was forced by the circumstances to wake up and take the lessons of WW1 and technology since then to heart?" In America this also holds true to a certain degree. For example thanks to the experiences of the second Civil War, their Light Infantry Tactics are the best in the world, while at the same time their Armoured tactics are slightly updated from what they were in the early 1930s. Not that that matters against the Japanese.