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I shall correct this accordingly.

re FAA size: apart from game mechanics the FAA is several times larger than in OTL at that point. Much smaller than the American or Japanese Carrier Aviation arms, but still. Typically for BRitain the Navy is the first to be enlarged. The increased size of the FAA and the Navy in general is caused by the much higher and differently shaped threat potential, i.e. the RN is preparing to fight battles against American Carrier Fleets that would resemble those fought in OTL in the pacific, so the needs of the RN are much more like the OTL USN than the OTL Royal Navy hence the larger FAA. For the med the RN will use existing carriers and maybe future Escort Carriers. Unlike OTL the RN Warplanning regards the med as a secondary theatre at best and the Imperial General Staff beliefs that the older carriers, combined with the RAF can keep the Italians at bay with additional help from the French. :rolleyes:
 
You know I was sorely tempted to build my usual 11 BB/7Cl/8 DD stacks, but those would have been even harder to explain convincingly than the 15 CV/7CL/8DD stacks I am building now. Or at least the one I am building now. :D
 
Bafflegab said:
Blue Emu has convinced me of the power of SAGs, and I'd be all about it, although he uses Cruizergs...
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It may be a more effecient use of game mecahnics, but it ain't that realistic which I think is one of our authors aims. On the problem of Cruizergs it would also be a lot of work to explain how 6"/8" cruisers kept outranging far larger guns while shooting their way through battleship armour or closed the hundreds of mile gap to the enemy carriers. ;)

On the carrier matter I'm not going to say much, it'll ruin one of my own updates I've been planning for quite a while. What I will say is that the Med was notionally the secondary theatre for much of the 1920s and early 1930s, as Italy became more aggressive and Japan got bogged down in China that changed. With Italy the most immediate threat the plan was to face them dow but be prepared to surge the Med fleet to Singapore in the event of war in the East. Sadly there were no plans for being involved in a global war in all the world's oceans, but then it did seem so unlikely at the time.
 
El Pip said:
It may be a more effecient use of game mecahnics, but it ain't that realistic which I think is one of our authors aims. On the problem of Cruizergs it would also be a lot of work to explain how 6"/8" cruisers kept outranging far larger guns while shooting their way through battleship armour or closed the hundreds of mile gap to the enemy carriers. ;)

On the carrier matter I'm not going to say much, it'll ruin one of my own updates I've been planning for quite a while. What I will say is that the Med was notionally the secondary theatre for much of the 1920s and early 1930s, as Italy became more aggressive and Japan got bogged down in China that changed. With Italy the most immediate threat the plan was to face them dow but be prepared to surge the Med fleet to Singapore in the event of war in the East. Sadly there were no plans for being involved in a global war in all the world's oceans, but then it did seem so unlikely at the time.
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You Sir are completely correct in your evaluation. And unlike OTL a global war in all oceans at the same time is seen as more than possible, which is why the RN goes for a more american approach in Carrier design.


EDIT: I was also contemplating going for Base Strike instead of Fleet ion being, but then reasoned that this was still the Royal Navy after all and a doctrine change this radical could have never been sold to the gun club.
 
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El Pip said:
It may be a more effecient use of game mecahnics, but it ain't that realistic which I think is one of our authors aims. On the problem of Cruizergs it would also be a lot of work to explain how 6"/8" cruisers kept outranging far larger guns while shooting their way through battleship armour or closed the hundreds of mile gap to the enemy carriers. ;)

On the carrier matter I'm not going to say much, it'll ruin one of my own updates I've been planning for quite a while. What I will say is that the Med was notionally the secondary theatre for much of the 1920s and early 1930s, as Italy became more aggressive and Japan got bogged down in China that changed. With Italy the most immediate threat the plan was to face them dow but be prepared to surge the Med fleet to Singapore in the event of war in the East. Sadly there were no plans for being involved in a global war in all the world's oceans, but then it did seem so unlikely at the time.
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Great points. Often times I let the need to win at the simulation outweigh the historical reality. But hey, if the Swedish inventors of the game allow for game mechanics in which this scenario is possible, surely it could have happened in reality, no? :D
 
Oh no... you got El Pip ranting again..... :D



So anyway: normally, if this were a gameplay AAR I'd go for BB stacks, but I want to build a semi-realistic world. :)
 
Some Guy said:
Mr. Gandhi has gone very high in my esteem since he stood up for the untouchables… I do not care whether you are more or less loyal to Great Britain… Tell Mr. Gandhi to use the powers that are offered and make the thing a success.
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Who, where and when?
 
trekaddict said:
Who, where and when?
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Churchill, in a letter to a associate to Gandhi, mid 1930s.
 
Eams said:
Churchill, in a letter to a associate to Gandhi, mid 1930s.
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*Claps hands* correct. In TTL not said yet. I want to use that quote some time during the conference.
 
ReadAAR participation day but with a twist.

Now we all know what is going to happen in the next updates. One thing however I'd like to give to the community: The Flag of the Dominion of India. Now I have already made my own design, but before I post it I'd like to hear your ideas on this.
 
To give you something to discuss here is one of my own ideas:

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IIRC they were part of the commonwealth of nations.


In any case, the plan I was referring to essentially boils down to a federalization of the Empire and the flag would be used as a local flag similar to that of the Isle of Wight ( I think ).


No offense taken btw. :D
 
Just so I know, what's wrong with one of the historical ones like;

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Or does the event really require a brand new flag?

I think my views on Sweden are well known and entirely justified! :p :D
 
ArchdukePaul Glad to have you aboard!


El Pip The historical one seems fine, but I think that the new flag is sort peace offering to the INC to get them to agree to the idea of a federalized British Empire instead of full independence. To be honest I like the historical one better, but a new flag seems to be more realistic to me. India will be a special case anyway, because the other colonies or rather counties/districts ( depending on size and economy ) will keep their normal or slightly altered flags for now, but they are of course subjects to possible change in the future. ( For example I could see Burma for example be made its own county in the 1960s )

I mean how cool does that sound:

"Her Majesty Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas, Queen, Defender of the Faiths, Empress of India, Monarch of the British Empire" :p

Note that it is now Defender of the Faiths (plural) to signal that all subjects are equal despite their religion.
 
El Pip said:
I think my views on Sweden are well known and entirely justified! :p :D
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Well, they're certainly hilarious :p

Neither of the proposed flags are perfect, the Union Jack on the top-corner of the first one in combination with the stripes makes it look messy, not to mention that its strictly Hindu theme might annoy the Muslims and the Sikhs in particular, and the old British one is rather "meh..."
Since a tripartition of the Indian subcontinent is sadly unlikely, I'll suggest something along the line of the Home Rule Movement's flag or Gandhi's 1921 flag.
 
This one?

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Still, I think that the Union Flag needs to be incorporated somehow, to signal that India is a part of the Empire.
 
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