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cool. this reminds me a bit of turtledove's american front with the invasion of canada.
 
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That was a great update.

Very interesting response by both the americans and Canadians to their new situation. I really am curious about the parallels between the new Canada/America relationship and that of East/West Germany.

To see two countries so truly integrated detach themselves wholly from one another is extremely interesting. The logistics of a move like that would be extremely difficult. I mean, even if you were to stop the movement of people, the migration of various wildlife, the flow of rivers, and how humans can adversely affect the conditions of downstream residents on either side of the border...

Simple things like utilizing the St.Lawrence seaway for trade purposes. From Corwall to the Atlantic, the seaway is conrolled by Canada. How would that affect industry in the American heartland? the entire Ohio valley area's economy could be devesated if Canada were to shut off that avenue... At any rate, any number of issues could arise between neighbors that don't get along.


Only one quibble, which would be that Sarnia, not Ottawa is accross from Port Huron...
 

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they're diverting rivers now?
ps: look at that, 1234 posts... lovely
 

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BritishImperial Glad you liked it. And no, they aren't diverting Rivers.

Bafflegab Thank you. Indeed the situation is similar to the one between West and East Germany after World War 2.

The Americans still have a lot of rebuilding to do, and much of their Industry is either destroyed beyond repair or fled to Canada when the fall of the United States seemed imminent. ( I gave them 20 extra base IC ) The American economy is still partially in tatters, but Browder is currently working on making it perform, and [possible spoilers below, highlight to read] they also look to expand their own influence in central and south America, rightfully believing that the British are preoccupied with events in Europe.


As for Canada, their economy struggeled too during the years after the revolution, but in TTL King became PM again in 1933 instead of 35, and he quickly dashed to redirect at least part of Canadas Industry back to Europe and South America, especially Brazil. That, together with the influx of US Capital, technology and Manpower in the aftermath of the Communist takeover enabled the Canadian economy to recover relatively fast. The British also increased trade relations, and that lead incindentally to something a bit like watered down Imperial Preference, but it was enver amde official policy.

The Canadians still allow American merchant traffic to traverse the St. Lawrence Channel. Should however war break out at any time or even a crisis of some sort then the Canadians will close the channel sharpish. The Border is far from impregnable, and it won't be for another decade at least, even an undamaged US economy couldn't do it any faster.

And that with Ottawa, that is a typo, I ment Ontario, it will be corrected post haste.
 

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That reminds me, I think that the Point of Divergence must be somewhere farther back than Hoovers assasination, probably somewhere in the mid 1920s, that makes the CPUSA more agressive and hones down Hitlers and Stalins hatred of each other.
 

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PoD? Say the 1920 US presidential election. The Democrats have lost that election, Wilson is just too hated. So if the Republican 'smoke filled room' picks someone different from Harding, someone a bit more hard line who doesn't pardon the socialist anti-war protesters but instead prolongs the Red Scare.

End results forces the communists under ground, but make the remainder that much more fanatical. Hence more likely to assassinate a president.

Also such a president would be more likely to prolong the US involvement in the Russian Civil War, not in terms of troops perhaps but certainly excess war material, etc. That would help explain Stalin's lack of links with the CPUSA and his desire for allies to prevent the west 'ganging up' on Russia again.

Or something like that, this is post pub alt-history ramblings after all. :D
 

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El Pip said:
PoD? Say the 1920 US presidential election. The Democrats have lost that election, Wilson is just too hated. So if the Republican 'smoke filled room' picks someone different from Harding, someone a bit more hard line who doesn't pardon the socialist anti-war protesters but instead prolongs the Red Scare.
An excellent idea! So excellent in fact that I'm almost beginning to suspect that you're Swedish :p
I nominate Maj. General Leonard Wood as the winning Republican candidate in 1920.
Possibly in combination with Emma Goldman dying in Russia, and Jack Reed surviving instead, with Jack remaining a Bolshevik nutter with a stiffy for Soviet-style Communism until being "martyred" in the late twenties or early thirties.

Having read through this AAR, I must admit that it's been a riveting tale thus far, although fewer Spitfires couldn't hurt, perhaps instead a few real-life inspired chapters on the German attempt to sabotage the prototype Mosquito?
Good to see that King has managed to rise out of his semi-isolationist mindset in light of the Second American Revolution (or is it The American Peoples Revolution, or perhaps the Illustrious Revolt of the American Proletariat Against Domestic Imperialist Aggression?)
 

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Hmm. Well, the Germans will have their special forces victory someday. I know exactly where and have some ideas about how, but not when, sorry. THe Wooden Wonder will be one of many in TTL. I don't build TACs, but rather massive fighters. They have also some ground attack but much better air combat stats. The Mossies will have their day as escorts for my future Lancaster Bombers.

Oh and it's the second American Revolution.
 

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But Eams' Illustrious Revolt of the American Proletariat Against Domestic Imperialist Aggression sounds much, much more revolutionary...as we all know, the more words the better. :D
 

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ColossusCrusher said:
But Eams' Illustrious Revolt of the American Proletariat Against Domestic Imperialist Aggression sounds much, much more revolutionary...as we all know, the more words the better. :D


That's what the Americans call it internally, but I think I'll stick with what the rest of the world uses. :D
 

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trekaddict said:
You this is actually much better than anything I had in mind. :D
Huzzah for beer!

Double huzzah for not being Swedish! :D :p
 

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what about swedish beer?
 

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BritishImperial said:
what about swedish beer?


Oy. We OWN the idea of Beer.
 

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that is true. though english real ale is the best. and guinness... i could drink that all day.
 

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BritishImperial said:
that is true. though english real ale is the best. and guinness... i could drink that all day.


Well, you brits run a close second to us Germans. :D
 

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BritishImperial said:
what about swedish beer?
The ordinary stuff is horrid, almost as bad as Budweiser. But then urine has the official slogan "Tastes better than Bud" so...
Then there are smaller breweries, which make stuff that equals any German, British or Czech lager, ale or porter that I've drunk (and I've drunk plenty, thanks to the godless socialist state monopoly on alcohol which means that the selection of beer here is phenomenal).
Recommended breweries are Oppigårds Bryggeri, Jämtlands Bryggerier and Nynäshamns Ångbryggeri.
Though I've heard that even the French can make great beer when they put their minds to it.

trekaddict, I take it that Skorzeny won't be making an appearance in this AAR? If not, will you be using other historical figures in this clandestine operation that you're planning?
 

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trekaddict, I take it that Skorzeny won't be making an appearance in this AAR? If not, will you be using other historical figures in this clandestine operation that you're planning?

TBH I have not decided yet. The target is very high profile, so he might yet make it into TTL. I will have to read up on German WW2 special op first.
 

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i used to quite like budweiser. but then i used to like the teletubbies. its fairly good for getting drunk on but thats as much as i can say for it.
 

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BritishImperial said:
i used to quite like budweiser. but then i used to like the teletubbies. its fairly good for getting drunk on but thats as much as i can say for it.

I don't drink outside of special occasions like Birthdays or new Year, but all I can say I agree. The only thing even worse is Fosters....