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I like the idea for the gameplay reasons. If it would stop the AI consolidating the regions as quickly it'd be a good thing, not sure it would though as piety seems pretty easy for the AI to store up.
 

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... or takes a dim view on abusing religious pretext for your personal gain.
Well, that's why you have to spend piety to petition the church for a favor like an invasion, yes. But in a holy war, whether you start it for personal gain or not, it still improves the position of the church in the world. Nobody in the time of crusades is going to consider you less pious for taking heathen lands and putting them in the control of the "true faith." Basically, your idea makes sense, but requires a profoundly different worldview than the game uses. Remember, the era of this game is based on pre-Reformation, and even pre-Henry VIII. One's religion is considered the ultimate arbiter of actions; religious pretext is literally not a concept that's in currency at the time.
 

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Okay, so the last time I suggested something for this mod, it was horrible. So today I hope you guys like it a bit more. SO here it is.

Sometime back in the earlier pages, someday mentioned that the asian ethnicity will be appearing in the West COast area. I have two suggestions tied with this.

#1: Add a maybe one county religion called Kimist or Kimism. This would bassiclly be the religion of refugees from North Korea who were led by the leader of North Korea during the Apocalypse in an invasion of North America. No clue why, but this could have some fun with the possibility of somebody claiming descendance from the Kims and trying to become the leader of the religion, kinda similar to Consumerism.

#2: A new culture and ethnicity could be implemented called Wapanese. Some Asians at my school, specifically my friend Issac, are always complaining of the white girls who are all into drawing manga and watching anime. My proposal is this culture would have the same events and decisions as the other Asian culture. The ethnicity would be a base white person portrait, but with the Asian beards and hairstyles. I could even try the ethnicity if you guys like the idea, but think it would take my time to finish it than is worth it. Heres the Urban dictionary definition of Wapanese, I tried to edit out the worst parts but open at your own risk. As it is from Urban Dictionary, it may offend some people who are more sensitive to semi-offensive material

1. Has an unhealthy obsession with shallow, saccharine and intellectually insulting animation shows (also refered to as anime by the nerd elite) originally tailored for young Japanese children

2. Operates under the erroneous belief that every aspect of American culture is vastly inferior to that of Japan’s – even though 99.9% of Wapanese have never had firsthand experience of any sort with their preferred culture (in other words, they’ve never set so much as one foot upon the island(s) of Japan)

3. Halfheartedly studies Japanese language and/or is a part-time practitioner of martial arts

4. Has a sword (samurai swords only, of course) collection

5. Is a Virgin

This is the worst part probably, it does have a semi-sexual reference.
6. May be afflicted with a terminal case of yellow fever; however, they constantly fail in their quest for Japanese pootytang

7. Extreme cases may traipse around whilst wearing a “costume” that makes them resemble their favorite anime characters

EDIT: Also, shouldt the Libertarians have a holy site in Nashville? It just seems like they should because their leader is called the something-something of Nashville
 
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Okay, so the last time I suggested something for this mod, it was horrible. So today I hope you guys like it a bit more. SO here it is.

Sometime back in the earlier pages, someday mentioned that the asian ethnicity will be appearing in the West COast area. I have two suggestions tied with this.

#1: Add a maybe one county religion called Kimist or Kimism. This would bassiclly be the religion of refugees from North Korea who were led by the leader of North Korea during the Apocalypse in an invasion of North America. No clue why, but this could have some fun with the possibility of somebody claiming descendance from the Kims and trying to become the leader of the religion, kinda similar to Consumerism.

#2: A new culture and ethnicity could be implemented called Wapanese. Some Asians at my school, specifically my friend Issac, are always complaining of the white girls who are all into drawing manga and watching anime. My proposal is this culture would have the same events and decisions as the other Asian culture. The ethnicity would be a base white person portrait, but with the Asian beards and hairstyles. I could even try the ethnicity if you guys like the idea, but think it would take my time to finish it than is worth it. Heres the Urban dictionary definition of Wapanese, I tried to edit out the worst parts but open at your own risk. As it is from Urban Dictionary, it may offend some people who are more sensitive to semi-offensive material

1. Has an unhealthy obsession with shallow, saccharine and intellectually insulting animation shows (also refered to as anime by the nerd elite) originally tailored for young Japanese children

2. Operates under the erroneous belief that every aspect of American culture is vastly inferior to that of Japan’s – even though 99.9% of Wapanese have never had firsthand experience of any sort with their preferred culture (in other words, they’ve never set so much as one foot upon the island(s) of Japan)

3. Halfheartedly studies Japanese language and/or is a part-time practitioner of martial arts

4. Has a sword (samurai swords only, of course) collection

5. Is a Virgin

This is the worst part probably, it does have a semi-sexual reference.
6. May be afflicted with a terminal case of yellow fever; however, they constantly fail in their quest for Japanese pootytang

7. Extreme cases may traipse around whilst wearing a “costume” that makes them resemble their favorite anime characters

This is a horrible idea.
 

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This is a horrible idea.
I personally have to agree.
Okay, it was a bit silly. I do think that the Nashville things should atleast be corrected though. Also, another idea. Should Mormons under twenty (Or some other young age) be able to go on missions to foreign countries to try and convert them? It could be like the normal proselytizing missions but in other countries instead of your own country.
 

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I just added a big commit to add holdings and other details to the California region.

The current Github California has placeholder religion, culture, and flags. Rest assured, it will not be a huge blob of Californio culture and Sagrado Corazon once we're done. There are also currently no historical characters in the area, so there's currently not much point in playing there.

With the plans we have for the political structure and the interesting geography of the region, I have a feeling CA will be a lot of fun once it's done. Hopefully the release of Cities: Skylines tomorrow doesn't delay progress too much...
 

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Should Mormons under twenty (Or some other young age) be able to go on missions to foreign countries to try and convert them? It could be like the normal proselytizing missions but in other countries instead of your own country.

I think the current upper limit (for males, at any rate) is twenty-six, though I could be remembering incorrectly. Anyway, that brings me to a question I have: what's the reasoning for the Mormon holy sites? I understand Salt Lake City, Nauvoo, and Independence, and I can kinda get Provo, but why Tuba City? I would think that Kirtland, Ohio, and Palmyra, New York, would make better sense than the latter two.
 

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I unno, I find the idea of Kimism to be mildly appealing. It would be hilarious to be a Supreme Leader in post-apocalyptic America.

That was what I was thinking atleast.

I think the current upper limit (for males, at any rate) is twenty-six, though I could be remembering incorrectly.

Thanks for pointing that out. Also one more thing witht the Mormons. The Church today doesnt allow polygamy, so maybe that should be given to its heresies instead just to flesh them out some. Branches of Mormonism that allow polygamy arent considered part of the church today.
 

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Thanks for pointing that out. Also one more thing witht the Mormons. The Church today doesnt allow polygamy, so maybe that should be given to its heresies instead just to flesh them out some. Branches of Mormonism that allow polygamy arent considered part of the church today.

The church of the future would have less to do with the church of today and the church of ahundred years ago did.
Going with literalism would probably be the easiest way for the mainstream, they'd have little to no knowledge or link to the church of today, but they'd have copies of the book of mormon and while every single thing about their society and worldview is unimaginable and completely different, that's still the same, unless their transcripters and translators suck at their jobs.
So what the church today thinks probably shouldn't come into it, but what the book does is a good foundation for anything else.
 

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The church of the future would have less to do with the church of today and the church of ahundred years ago did.
Going with literalism would probably be the easiest way for the mainstream, they'd have little to no knowledge or link to the church of today, but they'd have copies of the book of mormon and while every single thing about their society and worldview is unimaginable and completely different, that's still the same, unless their transcripters and translators suck at their jobs.
So what the church today thinks probably shouldn't come into it, but what the book does is a good foundation for anything else.

I think that I agree with Parha (big surprise). The Book of Mormon states, in Jacob 2:27: "Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none." Polygamy in the early church was a temporary thing, meant mainly to provide support for widows, and was only practiced by a small handful of individuals. It may well have evolved beyond its original intent, but once it did it was discontinued. A return to polygamy would only make sense if an extremely large percentage of LDS males were killed in whatever the apocalypse was.
 

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Sorry to bother again, but it just keeps crashing.

Did the old version of the game for 2.2.1 and then updated the game to 3.2.3 and tried to the 0.4 version. Both times it crashes as soon as I press single player. Any help would be appreciated.
 

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I think that I agree with Parha (big surprise). The Book of Mormon states, in Jacob 2:27: "Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none." Polygamy in the early church was a temporary thing, meant mainly to provide support for widows, and was only practiced by a small handful of individuals. It may well have evolved beyond its original intent, but once it did it was discontinued. A return to polygamy would only make sense if an extremely large percentage of LDS males were killed in whatever the apocalypse was.

Two things. One, I heard the Mormons originally practiced polygamy to help repopulate after many of them died on their journey to Utah. I am not sure this is right, but are there any Latter day Saints (I heard just calling you guys Mormons can be offensive, not sure which term I should use) that could clear this up for me? Also, the idea of LDS males dying off so there were more females makes sense, but if my version of the LDS history is correct (I think that it happened becuse the journey killed many males), wouldn't it make sense for the post-Apoc LDS's to abandon it soon afterwards too?
 

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Two things. One, I heard the Mormons originally practiced polygamy to help repopulate after many of them died on their journey to Utah. I am not sure this is right, but are there any Latter day Saints (I heard just calling you guys Mormons can be offensive, not sure which term I should use) that could clear this up for me? Also, the idea of LDS males dying off so there were more females makes sense, but if my version of the LDS history is correct (I think that it happened becuse the journey killed many males), wouldn't it make sense for the post-Apoc LDS's to abandon it soon afterwards too?

My point exactly. I'm pretty sure that polygamy was instituted before persecution made it necessary for the church to move to Utah, but for similar reasons. The church was organized in upstate New York and moved to Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and Iowa, in that order, before crossing the Great Plains. That's easily hundreds, if not thousands, of miles, mostly on foot.

Also, on the name issue: the name "Mormon", when used to refer to church members, was originally assigned as a derogatory term by enemies of the church. It is no longer considered offensive (and, in fact, one of the church's main websites is www.mormon.org), though it is still incorrect. The full name of the church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints", often shortened unofficially to "LDS Church".

On a side note, the existence of two names can lead to some rather amusing results. I hear that one time, following a storm or some other destructive natural occurrence, a newscaster reported that members of two churches had turned out in good numbers to help those affected. The two churches were the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and the Mormon Church.
 

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I think that I agree with Parha (big surprise). The Book of Mormon states, in Jacob 2:27: "Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none." Polygamy in the early church was a temporary thing, meant mainly to provide support for widows, and was only practiced by a small handful of individuals. It may well have evolved beyond its original intent, but once it did it was discontinued. A return to polygamy would only make sense if an extremely large percentage of LDS males were killed in whatever the apocalypse was.

But that's disagreeing with Parha. You quoted the book of mormon, not the current policy of the LDS church, which is agreeing with me and disagreeing with basing it on current policies, which is what Parha said.

Anyway, does anyone in the mod already have polyagamy? A central american tribe should, cos canticle but it probably doesn't matter which one.
I don't really like it as a mechanic, concubines are cooler with the trait to mark lessened statuses and everything.
 

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But that's disagreeing with Parha. You quoted the book of mormon, not the current policy of the LDS church, which is agreeing with me and disagreeing with basing it on current policies, which is what Parha said.

Er... what? That IS the church's current policy.