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There are a few cultures with no retinues at present, such as them, Californios and Chinos. This matter will be fixed, don't worry - some will be in 0.5 at the least.
What's going to happen with the californio culture, by the way? It seems like it would be way too much to stretch the same culture all the way from Baja to Jefferson; I assume it's going to get more granular? I would call the current californios "bajanos" and put sureños where they are now, more or less. Since "Norteño" culture already exists, maybe go for "nortecaliano" for NorCal folk, which is an extant but rare term in current use. The folks in the mountains are more Cascadian than Californian, so their name can easily be something with anglo roots.
 

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What's going to happen with the californio culture, by the way? It seems like it would be way too much to stretch the same culture all the way from Baja to Jefferson; I assume it's going to get more granular? I would call the current californios "bajanos" and put sureños where they are now, more or less. Since "Norteño" culture already exists, maybe go for "nortecaliano" for NorCal folk, which is an extant but rare term in current use. The folks in the mountains are more Cascadian than Californian, so their name can easily be something with anglo roots.

Pretty sure Californio is Bajano. Like Tejano.
 

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On the subject of the west coast we need to remember that there are more states than just California there. Washington, Oregon, hell you could even include New Mexico and Arizona there.

Some ideas I have for California is that there should be a lot of different cultures all over the state to represent the diverse peoples and cultures that reside in California. Like NorCal and SolCal should have different sub cultures like for NorCal should have BayCal for the bay area, LandCal for the inland NorCal guys and for the really north guys there could be TreeCal or ForestCal since the norther boarder of California has a like five national forests and there could be a sort of druidic or wiccan religion there?

For the SolCal guys there could be CityCal and FarmCal since in the middle of California there are a load of farms and small towns and there is obviously LA for CityCal but theres San Diego. Other than that I can't be of to much help.

The cities of San Fransisco, LA and San Diego should be major powerhouses and I might even suggest that they be trade republics as well as being cultural sights of importance, like Byzantium.

There could be events like every year theres a Truce for a Baseball game between the north and the south where the winners get a load of prestige and cash and the looser gets a cassius bell against the winner for humiliation or whatever.

If you can unite the north and south you can rebuild the Highway system,launch a conquest of Baja California to create the United California Republic and gain the Unifier trait (Based of the augustus trait and it can be a bloodline trait) and get the nickname of "The Californian". You could also invite some Atomics to come and help maintain the nuclear reactors so that they don't melt down and kill everyone. Also there could be a choice to Earthquake proof the UCR against the Giant earthquake thats supposed to destroy all of California. Fault line and all that. This would be insanely expensive and you would take a huge hit to prestige since it would require everyone to get ready for something that they think isn't going to happen.

thats all I got for right now but I'll be back if I think of anything else.
 

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When can we hope to see 0.5? Any estimates as yet?
 

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Californios are basically the mixture of Bajaño and southern Californian culture that has resulted from six centuries of survivors of the Event mingling and rebuilding society. Because I like diversity there's a non-zero chance of Californio characters showing up all over the coast, but Californio-dominant culture provinces currently are planned to be more or less Baja, and present-day San Diego and Imperial counties.
 

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...snip...
Several of these ideas are already planned. California will have a fair bit of cultural diversity including some sort of Angeleno culture around LA similar to Gothamite/Beltway/Chicagoan, and several more for other regions.

LA will be a rich merchant republic, and will probably have an option to become Consumerist if the Prophet succeeds.

There are already a few small Baseball ("Strikeball") flavor events, but they don't have a major mechanical effect like your proposal.

There will probably be some sort of earthquake event, but your ideas about the nature of the empire are pretty different from what we have planned. Some of the ideas were discussed a few pages back in this thread, if you're interested in what we're considering.

As far as nuclear plants and highways, they are long gone. Atomicists may worship The Atom, but no functioning nuclear technology exists and they wouldn't understand it even if it did.
 

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Are Nevada/Arizona going to be a solid block of provinces, or are there going to be caravan routes of provinces cutting through wasteland desert?
 

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snipped because my posts get a bit big.

I sure hope those names aren't supposed to be final. Not sure what you mean by LandCal, if it's the valley, it's definitely worth its own culture and the way folks talk in it is certainly widely recognized, but if you mean just the northern part then I don't know. Some folks call it the yay area, but that's a stupid name and hopefully unlikely to endure. And I think the way north folks are going to be in Cascadia, which makes more sense, although in modern times the two overlap and the devs haven't said explicitly.

A north-south baseball game wouldn't make much sense since nobody cares about baseball in the north, and probably nobody would in the south either if the Dodgers weren't a national team. Basketball might make more sense for something simple like this, but I'd be interested in seeing soccer tournaments as a big thing. They could be an old lacrosse inspired little brother to war, and would be applicable to people from all Mexican-influenced cultures, not just Californians.

Rebuilding the highway system seems pretty out there since even the current administration can't really do it, and your empire ideas sound zoroastrianism-tier and overall way less fun than what's already planned. Earthquake events are a bit of a no-brainer though, especially since hurricanes are already in in the east.

Californios are basically the mixture of Bajaño and southern Californian culture that has resulted from six centuries of survivors of the Event mingling and rebuilding society. Because I like diversity there's a non-zero chance of Californio characters showing up all over the coast, but Californio-dominant culture provinces currently are planned to be more or less Baja, and present-day San Diego and Imperial counties.
So there are no actual culturally Californian people north of San Diego? That strikes me as incredibly likely to offend people and generally invite ire, far more so than the mormon thing* that Ofaloaf was thinking of changing for that reason. Honestly, I think the name "Californio" is best reserved for the culture group.

There are already a few small Baseball ("Strikeball") flavor events, but they don't have a major mechanical effect like your proposal.
Tied to Angelano culture, presumably?

As far as nuclear plants and highways, they are long gone. Atomicists may worship The Atom, but no functioning nuclear technology exists and they wouldn't understand it even if it did.
Functional may be a strong word but there's clearly enough stuff going on to generate a ton of radiation for them to expose themselves to. That's got to be more than just what's left in the plants, because those are designed to reduce nuclear emissions to functionally nothing, although this could be the atomist "technology" of making nuclear shrines of all the radioactive material they find and clearing away other stuff I guess. Either way, letting atomists come take your nuclear artifacts is definitely adequate fodder for an event in my opinion, even if maybe not exactly what he described.

Are Nevada/Arizona going to be a solid block of provinces, or are there going to be caravan routes of provinces cutting through wasteland desert?
I'd hope for the latter, but, well, look at Arixo.


*Not because that's not offensive in its own right, but the Mormon folk are a lot more used to that, whereas people in northern California often consider themselves more truly Californian than the sureños.
 
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Eh as long as the west coast gets made I have no real objection to how its done. All that I put in my last post were ideas that I literally thought up while typing it out. Couldn't find where specifically you guys talked about the California thing but I really didn't look too hard. Ideas are Ideas and mine are free for sale, and thats all I'm saying about it since you guys apparently had a whole ethical debate about the subject.
 

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Functional may be a strong word but there's clearly enough stuff going on to generate a ton of radiation for them to expose themselves to. That's got to be more than just what's left in the plants, because those are designed to reduce nuclear emissions to functionally nothing, although this could be the atomist "technology" of making nuclear shrines of all the radioactive material they find and clearing away other stuff I guess. Either way, letting atomists come take your nuclear artifacts is definitely adequate fodder for an event in my opinion, even if maybe not exactly what he described.

From wiki on spent nuclear fuel
"96% of the mass is the remaining uranium"
The most "energetic" form of Uranium has a half life of "only" 246,000 years. So yeah, most of this stuff will still be around.
 

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So there are no actual culturally Californian people north of San Diego? That strikes me as incredibly likely to offend people and generally invite ire, far more so than the mormon thing* that Ofaloaf was thinking of changing for that reason. Honestly, I think the name "Californio" is best reserved for the culture group.

"Californio" != "Californian." Remember that there is both a Texan and a Tejano culture in the mod; presumably there will also be anglo-dominated Californian cultures as well.
 

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No, it'll still exist. We don't leave nuclear waste just sitting on the table, you know.

American utilities tend to store nuclear waste on site. Given how nuclear power plants are built like fortresses, they will have probably been repurposed as castles and scavenged already- uranium can be used for glass production.
 

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A) Don't twist my words. B) "Californio" is just the actual name of a cultural group in the relevant area. Obviously there will be a bunch of Californian cultures.
Regardless of what untwisted nature you may have intended your words to have*, you are calling one group Californian and not giving the same appelation to others, thereby implicitly excluding them from this definition. Do you seriously not see the strong potential this has to cause offense?

"Californio" != "Californian." Remember that there is both a Texan and a Tejano culture in the mod; presumably there will also be anglo-dominated Californian cultures as well.
In my opinion that distinction is a bit odd and doesn't take into appropriate consideration the cultural changes that are likely to happen in a hundred years, much less six hundred. But in that case, it at least has the justification that Texas has "anglo" people who speak no Spanish and would not refer to themselves as "tejanos" ever. The distinction between a Californio and whatever you think the anglo equivalent of that should be† is utterly nonexistant.

As a bit of a related note, I'd like to propose as useful design philosophy that if you have to explain how something totally makes sense and isn't offensive in the thread for people to not be confused and offended, you should consider that it might not be an entirely adequate design.


*though if you think I misconstrued them, I'd like to request that you make at least an attempt to clarify rather than merely telling me not to misunderstand and insinuating I did so deliberately.
†"Californian person" is the closest I can think of but that's an awkward adjective construct. You could go with a "Californian culture" but then you're just saying the same thing twice and leaving people to wonder what the difference is regardless.
 
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As a bit of a related note, I'd like to propose as useful design philosophy that if you have to explain how something totally makes sense and isn't offensive in the thread for people to not be confused and offended, you should consider that it might not be an entirely adequate design.

I'd like to propose that some people are quite easily confused and offended, and perhaps trying to specifically cater to that group of people with a mod for a game is, from a design standpoint, counterproductive. They are by definition difficult, if not impossible, to please.
 

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Well, is Californio a common term used by such people to describe themselves? Or is Californianos more common? If Californio is, there is no real reason to chance it to something a little longer and chunkier. And, it would be more accurate then simply than simply changing the name for convenience.