After the End - A post-apocalyptic America mod
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also, just to confirm:
ordinary reformed rust cult rulers can declare ducal level holy wars?
Any holy orders for Rust Cult? (I haven't gotten any.)
ordinary reformed rust cult rulers can declare ducal level holy wars?
Any holy orders for Rust Cult? (I haven't gotten any.)
I think if Cascadia existed, it would be way too huge of a kingdom. Of course it could be made smaller than its full size, but even toned down it would be comparable in size to the confederacy, and although smalled in population/wealth since a lot of that area is mountains and forests, it would still end up blobbing pretty hard into the California that you're describing, assuming there are substantial religious differences like there are in most areas in AtT. Not to mention, there are plenty of coast cities (from Crescent City fo Seattle) that are worth having more attention than small members of a bigger state usually get, and some of which are definitely comparable to Monterey in importance.
(I also still don't see how a Sacramento can be implemented that's not politically comparable to Rome in the late Kingdom or early Republic).
For people who don't necessarily scour the thread 100% of the time, a recap or links to previous devlogs would be handy.
Also, he obviously means this is what he thinks should be done; an opinion. No sense getting tore up over that.
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I believe that California is the state with the most UFO sighting, so perhaps there could be a religion based around the worship of the 'Great Lights in the Sky' or something. Just an idea.
Another idea is this: instead of making a Norton-I-isnpired Emperor in SF, just make the county of San Francisco and 'empire' in the context of the Possum 'Empire' in Comancheria.
The solution we have in mind is to make Cascadia a de jure empire instead. I'm thinking the Pacific Northwest might be a bit like Iberia in vanilla.
There is currently no ETA for 0.5, given how recently we released 0.4, but we'll announce one in the thread when the time comes.
I have an idea regarding the Pacific Northwest: Considering that the West coast is part of the pacific fire belt it is reasonable to assume that there were many Earthquakes and some Vulcano eruptions (as the some of the Cascadian vulcanos are likely to erupt in the next century). Maybe after civilazation broke down (maybe somewhere a Supervolcano erupted, there are plenty of them) and after several earthquakes and vulcano eruptions some people begin to preach that God is a God of Fire and Earthquakes and that he send those catastrophies because the people worshipped him in the wrong way and were to decadent. As time progresses a Cult formes similar to christianity but with elements of fire and earth worship.
These would include lava sacrifices (people or goods which ever is better siuted), seeing earthquakes and for example minor vulcanic activities as signs from God because they have done smth wrong or are not pious enough, seeing burning marks as smth special,having places like Mt.Rainier, Hawai and Yellowstone as Holy Cites. Also they could see lands like Japan, China or Indonesia (which have many catastrophies of that nature) as examples of godless lands and its inhabitats as decadent Barbarians and heathens who despise god and are penalized for their Heresy. Maybe also if a Japanese Invasion gets implemented they could see it as the arrival of the "AntiChrist" or a servant of Evil and could get an Event where a leader rises up and gathers the faithful for the great battle between good and evil.
They would be a relativ agressiv religion as they would see conquest and conversion as their holy mission to bring as much people into gods light as possible so that the catastrophie like a massiv earthquake doesnt happen again. Because of that they may also have a higher conversion rate.
They could be spread along the cost from Washington down to Mexico (as MEX has a high Earthquake rate). Maybe a Duke or two along the line and a small Kingdom in the Oregon/Washington region maybe Seattle as its a place of Earthquakes and has one of Americas most dangerous Vulcanos not that far from it.
Sorry for the long text its only an idea going through my mind but i thought it would be fun to have smth a little bit different in that region. Could also bring a bit more dynamic into that region.
These would include lava sacrifices (people or goods which ever is better siuted), seeing earthquakes and for example minor vulcanic activities as signs from God because they have done smth wrong or are not pious enough, seeing burning marks as smth special,having places like Mt.Rainier, Hawai and Yellowstone as Holy Cites. Also they could see lands like Japan, China or Indonesia (which have many catastrophies of that nature) as examples of godless lands and its inhabitats as decadent Barbarians and heathens who despise god and are penalized for their Heresy. Maybe also if a Japanese Invasion gets implemented they could see it as the arrival of the "AntiChrist" or a servant of Evil and could get an Event where a leader rises up and gathers the faithful for the great battle between good and evil.
They would be a relativ agressiv religion as they would see conquest and conversion as their holy mission to bring as much people into gods light as possible so that the catastrophie like a massiv earthquake doesnt happen again. Because of that they may also have a higher conversion rate.
They could be spread along the cost from Washington down to Mexico (as MEX has a high Earthquake rate). Maybe a Duke or two along the line and a small Kingdom in the Oregon/Washington region maybe Seattle as its a place of Earthquakes and has one of Americas most dangerous Vulcanos not that far from it.
Sorry for the long text its only an idea going through my mind but i thought it would be fun to have smth a little bit different in that region. Could also bring a bit more dynamic into that region.
That seems appropriate.
I think the emphasis on such rare things might make it a bit tougher. However, back in 2008 (iirc) there was a really bad fire season in the part of California that wanted to become the state of Jefferson (or southern Cascadia) which was started by lightning and it turned the sky grey and the sun red. That was attributed by many people to retribution from God for legalizing gay marriage, and it was a factor in the vote to ban it again.
Seems like too much for one religion, especially a sort of niche one like that.
Yes. It's anecdotal though, I have never seen any statistics on this and don't know how big of an effect it may or may not have had on actual voter numbers.
Probably not making a religion of it but I could talk to SteelyGlint about earthquake events and such when the coast is playable.
I've been thinking, and I think a few good de jure kingdoms/empires for the west coast would be the ones we have today. Cascadia in the north, Actual Californoa (Khali? Califonya?) as a very powerful nation in the south (huge amines of manpower from the plains and coasts), A sort of mega-Deseret with Nevada...
I don't know... Seems like they could be cool.
I don't know... Seems like they could be cool.
I think a Cincinnati with with a "Roman-American" culture would be fun, since Cincinnati is named after a figure in Roman history. Idk how it would pop up in y'alls lore, maybe a learned and ambitious noble learns about Caesar Augustus bringing peace to a dying republic gets him hyped up. Maybe I just really liked New Vegas lol
Who drew the very cool illustrations for the loading screens? And is there somewhere I can take a look at them on the interwebs?
Cascadia and California should pretty obviously be the de jure empires of the west coast. I don't think California should be formed though. As for de jure borders, it's a bit tough since the northern part of California is also part of Cascadia – I'd make that part de jure Cascadia and then put the Kingdom of Baja as a part of the de jure empire of California (its not part now, but it's a lot less strange than putting Finland in the de jure empire of Scandinavia). A groß-california could also include Nevada, in whole or substantial part, but I think just shaving off some bits as appropriate (the whole Duchy of Tahoe, for example, not just the part in modern California) would be fine. The extent of Deseret and what to do with Nevada is a tough question, but I think we could allow it to get big since it's by and large not very good land. However, I can't imagine Nevada having a lot of provinces for its size – because of how much of a desert the Great Basin is, it would make more sense to have it equivalent to the vanilla Sahara, with only passages through as actual provinces. Taking that into account, most of Nevada could just not be a de jure part of any empire.
Curious, have you guys thought of having the Muslim mechanics for the Americanists? I'd imagine the Decadence system would be a good "Tyranny" system. And you could replace the Caliph with president title and allow them to own temples without penalties.
No.
We've found those in various locations online, they're not all by the same artist; we'll probably add credits for those to the OP at some point.
As much as I'd be amused by the irony (given Americanists parody the crazy Fox News types who would be horrified to hear them and "Muslim" in the same sentence, let alone share game mechanics with them!), currently I believe the Consumerists use Shia Islam's mechanics, except that for them more decadence is a good thing. In the last thread there was a discussion about bringing actual Muslims into the mod though - I believe the answer from us is the same as it was then, that we'd like to do that but it's an "eventually" thing because a) the amount of stuff we would have to rewrite is nightmarish and b) getting everything playable and functioning is a higher priority than retconning in new mechanics and such.
I like the idea of Americanists using some of the Muslim mechanics. Also, that fits IMHO with the consumerists as Shiites. Since Consumerism is synonymous with 'Merica in many minds. 
I know you don't like people 'shoulding' you over the west coast. I'll still respectfully urge a syncretic Norse-Native religion for the rural areas of Western Washington and BC. Holy aces could be natural wonders (Olympic Rainforest, Mt Rainier (Tahoma to natives) and/or St Helens, perhaps Crater Lake in Oregon and some magestic point in BC, since I don't know Canada).
Because of the Seattle areas concentration of techy businesses (even in the WW2 days there was Boeing) and the relative proximity of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation, Id suggest Puget Sound be Atomist, and geography practically screams for a merchant republic. For BC (or if you don't want atomic also Seattle) a bastardized amalgam of Bhuddism and/or Sikh and/or Taoism and/or Hinduism would be fun. There are lots of Asians (both South and East) in the NW, and even more white hipsters who like to dabble in these 'exotic wisdom traditions' without really understanding them. Vancouver has an impressive Sikh temple, for one holy site.
In any case, the Cascade mountains should separate culture and religion as well as de Jure kingdoms. East of the mountains has far more in common with Montana than Seattle.
I know you don't like people 'shoulding' you over the west coast. I'll still respectfully urge a syncretic Norse-Native religion for the rural areas of Western Washington and BC. Holy aces could be natural wonders (Olympic Rainforest, Mt Rainier (Tahoma to natives) and/or St Helens, perhaps Crater Lake in Oregon and some magestic point in BC, since I don't know Canada).
Because of the Seattle areas concentration of techy businesses (even in the WW2 days there was Boeing) and the relative proximity of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation, Id suggest Puget Sound be Atomist, and geography practically screams for a merchant republic. For BC (or if you don't want atomic also Seattle) a bastardized amalgam of Bhuddism and/or Sikh and/or Taoism and/or Hinduism would be fun. There are lots of Asians (both South and East) in the NW, and even more white hipsters who like to dabble in these 'exotic wisdom traditions' without really understanding them. Vancouver has an impressive Sikh temple, for one holy site.
In any case, the Cascade mountains should separate culture and religion as well as de Jure kingdoms. East of the mountains has far more in common with Montana than Seattle.
I had already planned on the cultural as well as geographic and political divide between east and west Washington, but this bit seemed odd and you didn't elaborate. Why Norse-Native? Also, it's 600 years in the future after centuries of cultural drift and rebuilding; "hipsters" probably aren't a thing.
Have you guys considered adjusting the modified Sayyid and Mirza traits that the descendents of Consumerist prophets get to use one of the specific religion opinion flags, like orthodox_opinion? All you would need to do is take one of the opinion flags that the trait file can read, and change all mentions of consumerist in the script files to that flag's religion. Then, localize that religion entry as Consumerist.
This would prevent Americanist descendents of the Consumerist Prophet from getting an opinion boost with other Americanists, and ensure that they get the proper bonus with Consumerists even if they convert.
The reason I suggest orthodox_opinion is the lack of Orthodox on the map, and that it seems unlikely that it would be added.
This would prevent Americanist descendents of the Consumerist Prophet from getting an opinion boost with other Americanists, and ensure that they get the proper bonus with Consumerists even if they convert.
The reason I suggest orthodox_opinion is the lack of Orthodox on the map, and that it seems unlikely that it would be added.