Are there anyone out there who does not quit the game or use cheats in case you lose a war badly or lose to rebels or just enter a union with someone where those someone are the masters? I know that I find it extremely hard to continue afterwards if I lose, so normaly I just play and play until I have a perfect game, but I rarely play to the end, either because I get bored or lose in a war for some reason.
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If I'm small and AI asks for half my country in peace deal, I quit; if I'm big and it asks for a couple provinces, I give it to them and claim it later. Most often times I'm small and length of war and relative strength of war modifiers tends to end up in ridiculous demands (we have 20 warscore but won't settle for less than 60) if I loose, so I often quit.
Usually no. I won't quit MP or ironman games unless I'm either already dead or can't progress...the latter being pretty rare if you're abusive enough.
Playing to the end is another matter entirely. The game's design makes the game very linear at the end, while also making it slower in both game run speed sense and progression sense.
Playing to the end is another matter entirely. The game's design makes the game very linear at the end, while also making it slower in both game run speed sense and progression sense.
I guess it depends really how *badly* I lose.
I'm very stubborn though. If half my country is controlled by enemies, I will do everything I can to protect the wargoal (that is, sieging it back as a priority) and also I will try to protect my main army, either by hiding in mountains or in a province with many rivers (if there are no mountains available).
If this guerilla warfare doesn't work, plan B is usually to pay vast amount of money to the warleader. If that doesn't work either, plan C is to get rid of a few non-strategic provinces (low base tax, isolated provinces, etc.).
In the end, if that didn't work either and I had to cede half my provinces, I'd probably just quit and restart
I guess it depends really how *badly* I lose.
I'm very stubborn though. If half my country is controlled by enemies, I will do everything I can to protect the wargoal (that is, sieging it back as a priority) and also I will try to protect my main army, either by hiding in mountains or in a province with many rivers (if there are no mountains available).
If this guerilla warfare doesn't work, plan B is usually to pay vast amount of money to the warleader. If that doesn't work either, plan C is to get rid of a few non-strategic provinces (low base tax, isolated provinces, etc.).
In the end, if that didn't work either and I had to cede half my provinces, I'd probably just quit and restart
This is about how I play. I prefer almost everything against losing provinces, even releasing nations. This leads to a number of restarts in the first ~20 years of a game before I can start building up reserves and buffers to pay off the enemy with instead of territory.
Losing a war is part of the game. Sometimes it can be a good challenge to rebuild after badly losing, plotting your revenge and get a sense of satisfaction when you get it. I play Ironman for this reason.
Challege yourself to recover and beat the AI after losing. You'll find the game is better this way.
Challege yourself to recover and beat the AI after losing. You'll find the game is better this way.
I think sometimes its a case of not trying to play the perfect game, and lose a few, otherwise you'll never finish. Use your lessons learnt in your next game. Make something tactical from your loss. Maybe losing a core gives you a CB later down the track. Or inflict ridiculous AE on them and form a coalition. Peace out sooner rather than later etc.
I try not to savescum like i used to but rather plan ahead and position/use my armies/allies better. Now its failings in the game that causes me to reload an autosave (willing allies not called, and then cant be called due to multiple wars etc.)
I try not to savescum like i used to but rather plan ahead and position/use my armies/allies better. Now its failings in the game that causes me to reload an autosave (willing allies not called, and then cant be called due to multiple wars etc.)
It depends. If the AI offers me what i think is a fair peace deals, I accept and move on. If it's their typical +80% for taking two provinces and winning two battles, then I quit.
I play Ironman mode so I cannot cheat and most importantly I don't want to cheat. If I'd cheat then everything I would accomplish would feel wrong. If you cheat then stop playing.. If you find the game too hard then play The Sims. I heard it's really easy
As some nations I guess losing wars is a part of the game, as other nations losing means you've messed up. So I usually start a new game and try to improve my strategy. Then again I restart games even when I haven't lost any wars just because I've noticed a much better strategy I should have taken. I've never played a game right through to the end, because a single game takes so long that I don't really want to waste a double digit number of hours when I know my next game will be better. Just a personal preference. To me the fun is in improving your strategy.
Funny. I accidentally declared war on Denmark as Sweden, who's allied with Norway, Lithuania, and Muscovy and all of them supported Denmark. I'll probably lose this war when I load up again, but I think it'll be fun to see how I fair, and if I lose terribly, how I can rise again and take back what I lose.
Ironman is fun for this reason, since I can't savescum.
Ironman is fun for this reason, since I can't savescum.
That's when you start a new game, you're back to equal tech level with your neighbours, and you momentarily forget you're not leading an army of Norse gods.
I only play ironman these days and I find myself restarting probably more than I should. Afterall it's self-detrimental. It's much more fun to achieve something which is difficult and replaying a game over and over trying to be perfect gets tiresome quick. So I'm learning but I still have restarted more than I should. The worse thing I find about ironman is doing something stupid by mistake. That makes it very difficult for me to not restart.
With other paradox games that didn't have an ironman mode I tried to limit the amount of times I would revert to a previous saved game and I did for the most part. I didn't find that killed the game as I didn't do it often, only when I would restart in ironman play throughs. That said I still prefer ironmode, I know it's death if I stuff up too hard and it engages me more as a consequence.
The worst thing to do is using the console cheats or modding in cheats though. Everytime I've done this I've haven't got much entertainment out of it at all. That completely destroys the games and I've found that it's a slippery slope if you decide to do it once during a playthrough as doing it further doesn't feel like cheating anymore than you already have. Forget that though, knowing you've cheated stuffs it up from the start.
As for playing the game from start to finish. This is always my intention but I rarely ever do it. I almost always start from the beginning but rarely ever finish. I know why I feel I must start at the beginning, it sort of feels like I'm missing out if I don't but since I rarely finish them it doesn't make much sense. I don't normally finish them because I'm either too powerful and it becomes boring, I've already given up and restarted or something else steals my leisure time attention.
With other paradox games that didn't have an ironman mode I tried to limit the amount of times I would revert to a previous saved game and I did for the most part. I didn't find that killed the game as I didn't do it often, only when I would restart in ironman play throughs. That said I still prefer ironmode, I know it's death if I stuff up too hard and it engages me more as a consequence.
The worst thing to do is using the console cheats or modding in cheats though. Everytime I've done this I've haven't got much entertainment out of it at all. That completely destroys the games and I've found that it's a slippery slope if you decide to do it once during a playthrough as doing it further doesn't feel like cheating anymore than you already have. Forget that though, knowing you've cheated stuffs it up from the start.
As for playing the game from start to finish. This is always my intention but I rarely ever do it. I almost always start from the beginning but rarely ever finish. I know why I feel I must start at the beginning, it sort of feels like I'm missing out if I don't but since I rarely finish them it doesn't make much sense. I don't normally finish them because I'm either too powerful and it becomes boring, I've already given up and restarted or something else steals my leisure time attention.
Honestly guys, learn to play Ironman on Hard and learn to overcome setbacks. Save scumming / cheating is basically turning on god-mode in any other game, how is that fun? Some of my most memorable games to date in EU3 Magna Mundi & HOI3 BlackICE (epic hard-mode mods) have been where I am able to recover after facing the brink of disaster.
when i lose war and some provinces it actualy become more interestring to continue to play. I rarely finish those games where i win all wars, it becomes boring afther 200 years.
I can't handle the idea of being handicapped and as such I never play on hard. If I want it to be difficult I just pick a harder nation.
I don't quite get what the big deal about losing wars is. I lose wars all the time. . . . Oh you meant "real" wars. I just spam loans until I can buy peace.
Yea I can understand that, I used to share that sentiment back when I first started playing PDS games (HOI, HOI2, EU2)
I now have a bad habit of exploiting weaknesses in the AI (and have accumulated too much multiplayer experience) so I always handicap myself against AI in more recent PDS games :laugh: