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The Afghan wars weren't important though nor where they really wars just a small army going into Afghanistan, beating the Afghan army then going back to India after being shot at non-stop by Afghans.
Try being polite for a change.Originally posted by Burris
So you just suggest we leave it out. Becuase you dont think it was important?
If you erase two wars, that WERE important in the struggle between Russia and the UK well... that would be bad.
The British interventions in Afghanistan were sparked by strategic worries about Russian expnasion in Central Asia. Russian expnasion was basically motivated by the need to secure the frontier against maurauding bandits.
The intrinsic economic value of Central Asia to Britain and Russia in the 19th Century was at best nil - and given the expenditure involved in pacifying it - negative.
This kind of "defensive imperialism" must also be accounted for in the game engine.
Another impossible "savage war of peace" in the epriod is of course the First Chechen War.
The intrinsic economic value of Central Asia to Britain and Russia in the 19th Century was at best nil - and given the expenditure involved in pacifying it - negative.
This kind of "defensive imperialism" must also be accounted for in the game engine.
Another impossible "savage war of peace" in the epriod is of course the First Chechen War.
I think you´re forgetting the time when an entire british army was annihilated (only 1 man came back) I think it was in 1839 so it is well within the scope of the game.
From http://churchoftrueisrael.com/kipling/kipafgan.html:
"Afghanistan's Plains
by Rudyard Kipling
The following verse penned around a century ago after
the English on suffered a learning experience in the
tortuous valleys of the Kindu Kush.
When you're wounded and left
On Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out,
To cut up your remains,
Just roll on your rifle,
And blow out your brains,
And go to your Gawd
Like a soldier……. "
Ok it seems theres a couple of spelling errors in the preface (I guess its Hindu Kush), but anyways the brits never really gained Afghanistan despite a couple of attempts.
"Afghanistan's Plains
by Rudyard Kipling
The following verse penned around a century ago after
the English on suffered a learning experience in the
tortuous valleys of the Kindu Kush.
When you're wounded and left
On Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out,
To cut up your remains,
Just roll on your rifle,
And blow out your brains,
And go to your Gawd
Like a soldier……. "
Ok it seems theres a couple of spelling errors in the preface (I guess its Hindu Kush), but anyways the brits never really gained Afghanistan despite a couple of attempts.
There is in general a problem with games (both board and computer based) in simulating countries which possess a lot of _defensive_ power and scarce _offensive_ power, like Afghanistan for example, where the tribesmen only did stop their internecine little wars to attack any foreign power that dared enter the country, be they british, persians or martians... perhaps something like the guerrilla factors in Empire in Arms, that only appear in zones invaded by enemy armies, would do the trick.
I'm sure a good British player would have pursued policies toward Ireland that were good enough that they would not revolt.
Hmmm, the British seem to be singing the same tune to the Afghan Wars the United States sings to the Vietnam War (although I am sure Vietnam was much larger operations). "It wasn't even a War!" and "We didn't loose we just left!" lol, not much changes does it? Western Nations in general never were too good at fighting guerrilla wars though. We like to get drunk, go run into eachother until one side doesn't stand anymore then say that side lost...........
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The US did just leave. The problem with the entire war was we just tried to protect Souh Vietnam and never made a huge effort to conquer North Vietnam.
Though that beside all points. Of course Western Nations have won their share of guerilla wars.
Though that beside all points. Of course Western Nations have won their share of guerilla wars.
In game, why would you conquer Afghansitan anyway? too much troub;e for too little benefit.
Told you
And Vietnam has been wining that same war for over a thousand years. First against the Chines, then the French, and finally the United States.
And Vietnam has been wining that same war for over a thousand years. First against the Chines, then the French, and finally the United States.
Except that in the first two wars, the British won. They were both fought to get rid of Russian influence in Afghanistan, and in that aim, they both succeeded. Admittedly there were complications (like that army wiped out in the first war), but in the end, the British defeated their enemies, making sure the Shahs of Afghanistan knew better than to treat with the Russians.
In the 3rd war, the Afghans invaded India following WWI to throw of thier 'vassal' status, and the war-weary British caved in.
James Fox
That's intrusting because I personally didn't know much about the wars. I just noticed the reactions of the people on the forum and some reminded me of the United States reaction to Vietnam. Especially that one about it not even really being a war. I have heard that one my whole life, lol.
Algeria became an integral part of France pretty soon and was administrated directly from Paris, so it was more like a crown colony. Actually, officially it was not a colony at all, just a province of France.