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Don't make Russia dive into the war any earlier without having a switch in the German AI to go defensive if this happens.

Commander666 has been very lucky to avoid a Soviet DoW on Germany, it happens most Allied games and is a considerable annoyance watching the reds roll into an undefended east while you slog on though the blood soaked fields of the west. It practically forces the Allied player's hand to go WWIII ....
 

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Don't make Russia dive into the war any earlier without having a switch in the German AI to go defensive if this happens.
I agree, but then, as you said before, making a switch for the German AI to cope with a prolonged war in France should come first.
 

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Minimum attack odds of 1.1 probably made the GER AI suicidal. Recklessness was only 2 out of 3 max. Reactive distribution, I wonder if Even is better but the Western Front is very narrow so might not be much in it.

Re SOV non attack: does the code mean 5% chance of SOV DOW no earlier than 1 Jan 42, or if MR pact declined / not honoured? then a 15% chance of SOV DOW at anytime post Sept 39 ? (Plus non aggression pact GER/SOV must not exist for both options)
 

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Hi all,

great read this.

THANKS! :blush:



Concerning resurrection of Poland I think it`s absolutely justified to use acceptall to get the provs needed.
UK and France went to war to keep Poland independent, at least that was the formal reason.

Rgds, Oldtimer

Could not agree more. I think we can trust the storyline commander so somehow achieve this noble cause. Of course, we don't want to make it too easy for him! :D
 
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Don't make Russia dive into the war any earlier without having a switch in the German AI to go defensive if this happens.

Commander666 has been very lucky to avoid a Soviet DoW on Germany, it happens most Allied games and is a considerable annoyance watching the reds roll into an undefended east while you slog on though the blood soaked fields of the west. It practically forces the Allied player's hand to go WWIII ....

And speaking of "luck" you will see more in next instalment! :D
 

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Minimum attack odds of 1.1 probably made the GER AI suicidal. Recklessness was only 2 out of 3 max. Reactive distribution, I wonder if Even is better but the Western Front is very narrow so might not be much in it.

Re SOV non attack: does the code mean 5% chance of SOV DOW no earlier than 1 Jan 42, or if MR pact declined / not honoured? then a 15% chance of SOV DOW at anytime post Sept 39 ? (Plus non aggression pact GER/SOV must not exist for both options)

Much info will be found later when captured war documents are examined. But for now, we should move ahead in the story.
 

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Not sure if your annexation of Romania either shows a need to distribution its VPs wider, or to get it's AI to focus its defence on Bucharest and Ploesti. :(

I wonder how the South African divisions will fare against the Red Army, should the time come! :D
 

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I wonder how the South African divisions will fare against the Red Army, should the time come! :D

Not very well, I think! Hopefully if (when) the time comes they will be back in South Africa - or somewhere sensible like guarding Alexandria and the Suez Canal. I think there will soon happen quite a shift in Allied forces, but first we need to get rid of the rest of the Germans in Europe. In the meantime, they are having fun making lots of snowmen and dressing them up to look like Limeys to keep the Soviets guessing how strong our line really is! :D




Not sure if your annexation of Romania either shows a need to distribution its VPs wider, or to get it's AI to focus its defence on Bucharest and Ploesti. :(

Ploesti was the last VP province. I never noticed it when I attacked with France's Lt ARM there (and thought we were in for quite a bit of fighting), but AI France did notice that.

EDIT: The Romanians goofed. They had ample divisions to not lose. UK and France were out numbered more than 2:1. There were no Allied reserve divisions anywhere near to change the odds. The South Africans are only 1 per province as are the few French holding key places against partisans. The first reserves possible would have been Canadian MOTs in Belgium.
 
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Isn't all this diplomacy rather cheap? You only pay about 2400 $ or 1000 icd and get something like 20 Inf without having to pay manpower for it.
 

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And not paying for their upgrading, and in many cases, not even their food and fuel. Seems like a bargain to me. Of course, the trick is getting the right countries and putting their INF in the right places to maximize the most while best using their different attributes and weaknesses. Should also mention that some of these countries have units this UK does not even yet possess - especially MTN and CAV.



Isn't all this diplomacy rather expensive? Still, you need some weak INF to suppress partisans in all this territory you are about to acquire.

Actually, as regards partisans, UK is much better building a line of GAR - less IC, faster, less supplies consumed, and much better results.

As regards the "cost of diplomacy" UK's costs are relatively cheap. But importantly, it is all being mostly funded by getting rid of vast amounts of surplus resources. You also get back a fair amount of money and resources once you give these countries the many advanced plans you possess. And occassionally some of them will give you a plan quite advanced past your own research. Finally, as regards playing, it does sort of add another dimension - perfect for any "micromanagement fanatic." :D


Isn't all this diplomacy rather cheap? You only pay about 2400 $ or 1000 icd and get something like 20 Inf without having to pay manpower for it.

Actually average cost per country is only about 12 influences (as some are big influence) plus "invite". Given next slider move coming soon, that would be only $1120. But as some other coutries turn out to be "failures" and the higher earlier costs, Pang's estimate is also a good one.
 
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"During the final days of the Wehrmacht the Allies notice “strange things” happening. Hopefully this Finnish convoy trading with Germany did not sneak thru the Allied controlled Kattegat Straits; and came around Norway instead."

I have had that experience on multi-player, with AI France being able to send convoys through the Store Balt to the USSR, when it's at war with Germany and Germany controls Copenhagen.

I wonder if Pearl Harbour will trigger considering the state in Europe, but I guess it will since (I assume) it only needs Germany to exist.
 

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I wonder if Pearl Harbour will trigger considering the state in Europe, but I guess it will since (I assume) it only needs Germany to exist.

Time reveals all. :D
 

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Probably best to trade with China as well considering your relations are -184.
 

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Probably best to trade with China as well considering your relations are -184.

I think Pang would advise "That is the second worst trade you have ever made, Commander666!" Actually, it would be the very worst trade given Japan interdiction, and very low China relationship.

Somehow, I don't think you are serious. But if you are, it is much cheaper to print money and improve relationship via inflence than the low improvement gotten by 1 trade. Trading to improve relationshio works great if relationship not so low to firstly get good trade terms, and then trade MUCH!

However, currently game has catapulted into a new era that will see China suddenly being quite low on UK's many concerns. I need to write next story installments.
 
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I think Pang would advise "That is the second worst trade you have ever made, Commander666!" Actually, it would be the very worst trade given Japan interdiction, and very low China relationship.

Somehow, I don't think you are serious. But if you are, it is much cheaper to print money and improve relationship via inflence than the low improvement gotten by 1 trade. Trading to improve relationshio works great if relationship not so low to firstly get good trade terms, and then trade MUCH!

However, currently game has catapulted into a new era that will see China suddenly being quite low on UK's many concerns. I need to write next story installments.
True actually, I was serious but didn't think it through (I think I assumed that you could trade via sending resources through Burma, but not sure ifyou can actually do that given AoD's mechanics).


Very funny picture/meme at the top! :D
Good idea keeping the US AI to itself, I wonder what crazy things it'll get upto. Since you don't have many resources to trade, I'd suggest editing the save file so you control all/most of Poland, and Germany if you wish.
 

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Very funny picture/meme at the top! :D

Thanks! It's not mine... and feel lucky to have found it.


Good idea keeping the US AI to itself, I wonder what crazy things it'll get upto.

Not sure I could MC given UK lower IC - but would not want to organize all their forces anyway! Yes, I think it will make a "better game" with the USA AI involved, although I suspect it will also get frustrating - especially their air force on MY AIRBASE!


Since you don't have many resources to trade, I'd suggest editing the save file so you control all/most of Poland, and Germany if you wish.

Well, that wouldn't be "AoD" anymore. Rather that would be "AoD mod." :D

The challenge is in overcoming the game's "difficulties".
 

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Maybe the US AI only starts building a land army once it's at war? I hope not though as the gearing events beforehand give the US enough time to start a year or so earlier.
Looking in the events, it looks like Pearl harbour only triggers AFTER war has been declared between Japan and the USA, so I assume in the AI switch files somewhere the Japan AI is told to declare war on the US but I can't find any such AI switch event. Maybe I'm missing something. Anyway, influencing China is the best course of action and I hope it works. :)
 
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Maybe the US AI only starts building a land army once it's at war? I hope not though as the gearing events beforehand give the US enough time to start a year or so earlier.

Nearly unbelievable, but maybe? "Time reveals all." :D




Looking in the events, it looks like Pearl harbour only triggers AFTER war has bend declared between Japan and the USA, so I assume in the AI switch files somewhere the Japan AI is told to declare war on the US but I can't find any such AI switch event. Maybe I'm missing something.

I don't know but suspect that a poor Japanese situation in China might affect the decision. Also, Germany being bludgeoned to death probably does not favor an aggressive Japanese attitude towards creating the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.




Anyway, influencing China is the best course of action and I hope it works. :)

Yes, but King George VI gives a "Belligerence required to DOW +20%"

While UK's Interventionism slider setting now matches to Japan's current 22 Belligerence, it will require enemy nation to have 26 Belligerence to make a DOW possible. I am hoping Japan is gaining more belligerence with time as it's war continues. Need to check that. However, like Churchill advises, the world is full of uncertainties... and best to not count on the unknown future - or prophesy ahead of the fact! :)

So I agree the storyline commander is doing the right thing - hoping that Nationalist China might join the Allies. It was great that last successful Influence pushed their Interventionism up.
 
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Me: “Yes, but finishing off Hitler and his Social Democrats is a real pain in the butt right now.”

Hitler "finished off" the socialdemocrats and any other democrats aswell.

Me: Besides – once we annex Germany, our ICs will reduce to peacetime levels, but we will further incur repairing Norway too.“

Since peactime modofier was set to 1 this is no problem, is it?

Churchill: “A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.“

Churchill: “For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else.”

Great! :cool: