Advice on playing UK

[Commander666]

AFAIK only the country that controls the capital of the occupied country can annex it.

This is a VERY important point that needs to be discussed. By recollection of past things in other versions (and maybe even 1.08 as memories can wane) I would say that most definitely France would have annexed Greece even though they only captured Salonika while human UK took Athens last. That belief certainly was why I paused the game to annex Greece asap. Further, I think France might have some greater AI ability to do upsetting stuff like that. Pang, where are you when we need a decision?

Yeah true, and staying at war would have been 'gamey'. Hopefully France does not leave, but watch out for the other 'minor' Allies such as Austria, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. I don't know if the AI has actually been told how to handle peace after WWII.

Gamey would be real true. Well, Sir Commander has tried telling the AIs but seems they are deaf to his recommendations. France should liberate a few countries but it only thinks about the reduced IC, it's divisions would suffer serious ESE reduction in those liberated countries, the Yugoslavs would get deployed out of a new Romania maybe, and once countries that can leave do - like Austria and Yugoslavia - the remaining political Allied setup in Europe might turn into a hopeless ability to keep an army facing the Soviets. A true storyline dream but not something the French AI will fall for, probably.

Haha, annexing Germany is another possibility! Especially when its' army would be in complete disarray.

At this point they have 15 divisions and can't even cover every border province, so I'm laughing too. But at rate they building, in 6 months I might be laughing from my other cheek! Currently the Allies are in a scramble to put a division in every one of their provinces bordering FRG without affecting other strategic considerations.

I await your update.

Thanks, I do too. About half the screen shots for a next installment are done and I been pondering if to fill the remaining needed by obtaining them all on last date played to support a particular storyline direction I am interested in taking; or should I just play ahead and get surprised and fill next installment that way. Somewhere I have to get in "Plan Blue".

When you finish your UK AAR, I propose we could play a UK (or whoever) v Germany (or whoever) multi-player game to test both our skills. I know you said you like a lot of micro-management, but so do I, and I (like to think I am) patient. I'd leave the AAR side in your more-then-capable hands.

Well hopefully it would start "Mr_BOnarpte versus Commander666" and first update be "Commander666 Wins!"

But I think I would want UK so I can hole up in the British Isles from your proven battle efficiency and make sure you never manage "the capacity to do a Sea Lion", and so keep myself safe while you paint Euro-Asia grey while closing an old debate – strangely in your favor.

 

[Commander666]

Please do this, guys. It would be very interesting to read a multiplayer AAR from you two!

Would that not be a "twin player"... or will you be joining us?

 

[Commander666]

Absolutely. That AAR is *so* subscribed. Even your mistakes are clever, so I'm sure there's a lot to be learned

You must be discussing that "other AAR" when you mention "clever mistakes". My mistakes were real mistakes.


Hopefully it continues into something a bit less fictional, a bit more battle details shown like mousing over some key battles, but not boring with a suspected outcome as land wars between AI and humans can tend to be - especially with China crushing the opponent from other side. So I am currently pondering "the direction of the story" but the AI events keep interupting!

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Gamey would be real true. Well, Sir Commander has tried telling the AIs but seems they are deaf to his recommendations. France should liberate a few countries but it only thinks about the reduced IC, it's divisions would suffer serious ESE reduction in those liberated countries, the Yugoslavs would get deployed out of a new Romania maybe, and once countries that can leave do - like Austria and Yugoslavia - the remaining political Allied setup in Europe might turn into a hopeless ability to keep an army facing the Soviets. A true storyline dream but not something the French AI will fall for, probably.

Well, puppet states can't leave the alliance and I imagine France's TC isn't good at the moment, so liberating those countries would be a win-win, IMO.

At this point they have 15 divisions and can't even cover every border province, so I'm laughing too. But at rate they building, in 6 months I might be laughing from my other cheek! Currently the Allies are in a scramble to put a division in every one of their provinces bordering FRG without affecting other strategic considerations.

Good tactic, better safe then sorry. I wonder what the FRG AI is told to do, if anything.

Thanks, I do too. About half the screen shots for a next installment are done and I been pondering if to fill the remaining needed by obtaining them all on last date played to support a particular storyline direction I am interested in taking; or should I just play ahead and get surprised and fill next installment that way. Somewhere I have to get in "Plan Blue".

Good good.

Well hopefully it would start "Mr_BOnarpte versus Commander666" and first update be "Commander666 Wins!"

Haha, well if you're the UK and I'm Germany hopefully I'll be the first to achieve the victories!

But I think I would want UK so I can hole up in the British Isles from your proven battle efficiency and make sure you never manage "the capacity to do a Sea Lion", and so keep myself safe while you paint Euro-Asia grey while closing an old debate – strangely in your favor.

Aww, no fun! You could theoretically MC France and Poland, send the entire British army to France, and possibly the rest of the Allied forces too. Not sure if would be enough against Germany, but it just might be!

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Please do this, guys. It would be very interesting to read a multiplayer AAR from you two!

Absolutely. That AAR is *so* subscribed. Even your mistakes are clever, so I'm sure there's a lot to be learned

As Commander666 implies, the more the merrier! But none-the-less, a 1 v 1 would be pretty fun too!

 

[Commander666]

Aww, no fun! You could... send the entire British army to France, and possibly the rest of the Allied forces too.

And given my known abilities that might include Venezuela, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, and maybe Siam too. But just to make sure I have not under estimated you, probably better I also bring the Aussies, Kiwis and South Africans! Ooh, I nearly forgot the Canadians! :rofl:

 

[Pang Bingxun]

It is my understanding that the occupant of the capital annexes the country.

Well, puppet states can't leave the alliance and I imagine France's TC isn't good at the moment, so liberating those countries would be a win-win, IMO.

But puppets obey their master. If France leaves the alliance and join komintern things might get interesting.

 

[Titan79]

Would that not be a "twin player"... or will you be joining us?

Hm? I was just endorsing Mr_B0's proposal for a MP game between you and him .

 

[Commander666]

Hm? I was just endorsing Mr_B0's proposal for a MP game between you and him .

I meant as Mr_BOnarpte better stated it - "the more the merrier".

 

[Commander666]

It is my understanding that the occupant of the capital annexes the country.... ... ... But puppets obey their master.

Ok, that knowledge might have resulted in some different decisions by me, but it would have been gamey for UK to not annex Greece just to remain at war. Yes, puppets obey master, but if master MCs puppet and puppet takes capital, puppet would end up annexing country, right?

If France leaves the alliance and join komintern things might get interesting.

For sure they would. Hopefuly I'll find less drastric measures to keep readers viewing!

 

[Pang Bingxun]

Yes, puppets obey master, but if master MCs puppet and puppet takes capital, puppet would end up annexing country, right?

I never cared to find out. But is logical to assume nothing changes. As the puppet is obviosly wanted to annex the country it will do so.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

It is my understanding that the occupant of the capital annexes the country.

Yeah I think that is the case.

But puppets obey their master. If France leaves the alliance and join komintern things might get interesting.

Indeed things would certainly get interesting! Let's hope the French AI was told to do such a crazy thing

Ok, that knowledge might have resulted in some different decisions by me, but it would have been gamey for UK to not annex Greece just to remain at war. Yes, puppets obey master, but if master MCs puppet and puppet takes capital, puppet would end up annexing country, right?

Yes the puppet would annex that country, the master would only be able to annex if it itself controlled the country's VPs and capital.

 

[Commander666]

Indeed things would certainly get interesting! Let's hope the French AI was told to do such a crazy thing

NO WAY! That will never happen. I know you're joking but Pang usually doesn't. Does Pang really think there is ANY chance France might or could join Stalin? What has he done to 1.08 that might bring such a catastrophe to "event" itself? Surely, that just can not be "in the cards"!

 

[Pang Bingxun]

The AI will not do so. But you might want to load as France, leave allies and using accept all to join komintern. Liberate some countries and save the game to reload as UK. France joining komintern was considered and option before WW2.

 

[Commander666]

Why would I want to do that?

 

[Pang Bingxun]

For fun.

 

[Commander666]

France joining komintern was considered an option before WW2.

I would not agree with that viewpoint. Even though the Popular Front after 1934 did help the PCF (French Communist Party) rapidly grow in size and influence AND when the Popular Front won the 1936 elections the PCF made further major gains, it boiled down to the simple fact that the Popular Front government soon collapsed under the strains of domestic financial problems (including inflation) and foreign policy issues; and was replaced by the moderate government led by Édouard Daladier. There was never any reasonable chance of France going communist because the Popular Front proved how inept their government had been. Had the Popular Front survived, then possibly yes. But as they didn't, democracy won the day over communism in France.

For fun.

I suppose it could be fun reading my AAR to learn how UK might fail to cope with such a horrible situation. But it would not be fun for me.

 

[Pang Bingxun]

The GoI should be useless. Global manipulation could prove more helpful.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Did Plan Blue factor in a possible FRG-Japan alliance? I'm not sure if it's possible with the democratic sliders of the FRG though to be honest.

While you don't have any spies in Japan, you can gain a lot of intel from checking the suppression of provinces in China, looking at the losses chart for Japan and its allies and, (which I think you're already doing) sending out scouting ships. But loading up as Japan is too gamey IMO, even if it is to check the naval ranges.

Belgium probably cancelled the trades due to the resource fluctuations, which can get quite annoying. Especially when playing as Germany when trying to trade with Belgium and the Netherlands but they cancel any big trades within a week or so.

 

[Commander666]

The GoI should be useless. Global manipulation could prove more helpful.

Global manipulation will be a good next goal but first the UK needs to get enough spies into Japan. If the GoI does result in any lessening of DOW dissent it will have worked, but I too am doubtful it will do that. At least the GoI is in place now.