The point is that is not possible to create credit in the first place. AoD consist of nations and if there someone receiving credit there must be some other nation granting it.
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Not at all. I don't see this has anything to do with other nations. I think it is an internal Germany thing. Somehow AoD Germany consumed something that took it into the negative, I suppose. What that might be at that cost I have no idea.
I was only relating to a real life scenario of a possible similiar situation where Krupp might be owed millions by Germany to apply to this AoD situation. There is no doubt about the real life outcome.
As regards this unique AoD situation, I don't know why, or how. Only I ain't paying it. But I will annex Germany. Of course, because of next installment, this detemination of mine may also have to be modified slightly!
AoD is no real life. There is no Krupp nation on the map, is there? So there is no one granting credit in the first place. AoD simulated nations as whole, therefore there cannot be internal credit.
You were they one who suggested that it must be because of German debt. So how do you think Germany created that huge debt?
I can only think of one possible way - Hitler made a Guarantee of Independece on many nations. Yes, Germany has no more territory, but Germany still exists. So - Hitler being the rascal he was, probably is going to GoI every remaining country in the world! There is no way I'm paying it!
EDIT: Scrap that idea. I just checked as UK. There is NOT a single country that has a GoI from Germany. So, how could Germany have created this unbelievable debt?
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Germany cheated. It created value out of nothingness.
Money in AoD is not money as we know it but just an abstraction of all those consumer goods etc. that can be converted into money by selling them. Since AoD money represents physical things money cannot be negative.
Diplomacy requires to have the money in the firstplace, even for AI.
This is why i asked you to load up as germany. This cannot be considered unfair intel after annexation of axis is possible already.
Then the "money stockpile" should not go negative, no matter what happens, even for the AI. The supply stockpile won't go negative, either. Once you run out of "money", you should pile up dissent because you can't fund public services anymore. Negative money from events should be converted into dissent at the end of the day. If the AI can't deal with it, have it not suffer dissent from underfunding public services (but still let it try to give them full funding).
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I complete agree with this! The current coding for supplies that prohibits it from going into negative should be applied to money, but with the suggestions by Autolykos that if there isn't enough CG being dedicated to keep its money afloat then it's turned into dissent.
Indeed, it applies to many events of a similar nature (Operation Zet, Pitman Act, Lend-Lease etc).
If they can do that, I can do it too! Don't worry, I'll find a solution - change nothingness back to value!
You can clearly see it is negative. I (and most players too I am sure) sometimes go into the negative. It is not uncommon for AoD mechanics. So not sure I get your point as regards AoD engine. Maybe it should not happen, not be allowed or whatever. That is a different issue.
Probably with next installment (coming now) you will change your opinion about this. I promise to load up as Germany AFTER Germany is annexed to so hopefully let us all learn the reason for this unbelievable negative dollar amount.
True, but the greatest concern is that the negative might be growing with time. I blame it all on Hitler!
One incentive to annex germany early is that you inherit less debt. An if you annexed it you had less enemies to play with now.
Maybe true. But actually the Allies did try to annex Germany at first opportunity... and they did it much earlier than historically; or probably many players play their game to. The attempt was first tried February 27th, 1942 using an amphib on Narvik.
Well, that seems the case here... but events are somewhat unpredictable. But the point for me is that maybe we would also have had considerably less AAR to play with. So - while this might be bad for me - it's not really bad for Forum!
But pray tell, was I right about SU “Vlassov Event” being the relocation of their industry to the interior? Not sure I ever saw the pop up.
EDIT: Your answer again delves into the supposedly "what's not supposed to happen" - (German debt). And we are not discussing a few hundred dollars! Anyway... time will reveal all (I hope).
Both events fired. You can always go to statistics and scroll throught the whole log.
Why would the Vlassov event fire when Germany does even control any German land? :unsure:
What do you mean? THe only SU event that fired is Vlassov. I don't need to go thru the whole log... I only need to look back a reasonable time which I did.
What is Vlassov? I need to know what the SU might be planning to do to the Allies!
Pray tell, "What is Vlassov?"
It is strange that I don't have a screen shot of it. I thought maybe my oversight. But that is most unlikely for me. I only picked up on it (and Hitler assiniation attempt which also had no pop up) because later in the game the SU will move its industry (and I will get pop up and do have screen shot for that).
But in writing this installment, I got confused about the time of the SU event of moving industry - and not finding screen shot in this group of images - I then searched history to learn exactly when the SU moves industry as per next later coming event. It is still coming (as regards readers - next installment).
But that is how I discovered Vlassov and Hitler assination attempt had ocurred - by scrolling the history.
So seems, that now the game engine may also be turning against the storyline conmmander! Blimey! Getting attacked on many sides and from internally?
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Code:
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# The traitor Vlassov has defected CDCP event.
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event = {
id = 2663
random = no
country = SOV
trigger = {
leader = 10363
war = { country = GER country = SOV }
}
name = "Vlassov"
desc = [B]"General Vlassov has defected and joined Germany"[/B]
picture = "Vlassov"
date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1942 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1999 }
action_a = {
name = "Ok"
command = { type = giveleader which = 10363 where = GER } #Soviet Vlassov
}
}No way. I can't safely ignore that!
Firstly, Germany has no province, capital or country. But Hitler and his war criminals still exist. As far as I am concerned (which is about this AAR and storyline and not necessarily the game mechanics) the remaining Nazis have fled somewhere - probably Argentina. And now another rascal General Vlassov must have joined them.
Well, this forebodes very badly. They are probably distributing copies of Mein Kampf in Buenos Aires. Maybe Argentina will next join that war monger Adolf Hitler. And Venezuela is under protected, the Falklands totally unprotected, as is all of Guyana, eastern Canada, Caribbean, Bermuda and who knows about the USA!
I need to consider this info most carefully... how to handle telling Churchill ... so it does not create general panic in the Allies.
Oh my! This is most worrisome. Can't wait to get next installment published (tomorrow I promise). Maybe I need to edit it first to explain the Vlassov thing? What rotten luck!
Firstly, Germany has no province, capital or country. But Hitler and his war criminals still exist. As far as I am concerned (which is about this AAR and storyline and not necessarily the game mechanics) the remaining Nazis have fled somewhere - probably Argentina. And now another rascal General Vlassov must have joined them.
Well, this forebodes very badly. They are probably distributing copies of Mein Kampf in Buenos Aires. Maybe Argentina will next join that war monger Adolf Hitler. And Venezuela is under protected, the Falklands totally unprotected, as is all of Guyana, eastern Canada, Caribbean, Bermuda and who knows about the USA!
I need to consider this info most carefully... how to handle telling Churchill ... so it does not create general panic in the Allies.
Oh my! This is most worrisome. Can't wait to get next installment published (tomorrow I promise). Maybe I need to edit it first to explain the Vlassov thing? What rotten luck!
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The United Kingdom - having been one of the main proponents to see the passing of the 4th Geneva Convention in 1949 - during WWII did not subscribe to such barbaric or non-chivalrous actions like "Fight to the last man". That was for the Germans and Japanese to use - not the noble United Kingdom!
Of course, we would not expect Franco’s forces to be capable of such humanitarianism - or abide by the First Hague Conference of 1899, the Second Hague Conference of 1907 or the Geneva Protocol of 1929. We must sadly conclude that the few remaining GAR surrendered, and were executed.
A day of reckoning will be coming!
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Looks like you're having more trouble fighting Germany's allies then you did fighting Germany