Advice on Mexico! SP-MP!

[iBaLkiD]

Im going to be playing a MP where we all take non GP's. I havent played with mexico since vanilla Vicky! woah i know.

Im thinking of choosing Mexico because it is so far from europe(Where most of my opponents will be. Brazil will be human but i think that i am safe from him for some time initially.

What are some things to keep in mind?

Events and choices to look out for? Choices of said events? Anything similiar to SP events or OE events that give tech or units? Knowing stuff like this really helps. Im about to fire up a sp game so i can see whats up with my mexican's.


How best to handle the big blue blob to my north?

Will trying to set up a colony in africa for prestige set back my industrialization too much? Brazil is my closest threat, but i dont see him being able to do much early on.

How bout colonizing in the Pacific? I see the computer do this with some success in some games i play.
Going culture tech bonkers early for prestige. Will this set me back too much?

What are some juicy targets as Mexico. How hard is it to expand into central america?

Any tips on industrializing?

They seem a tad underpopulated, will i reach my max potential quickly then be forced to look to my neihgbors for MP?

Any non newb tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Memnon]

I don't know Mexico all that well, but I'm under the impression that for the first 20 years, as long as you don't go bankrupt, you should just spend, spend, and spend some more. That's becuase later you'll either have to pay 100k or abolish your debt entirely, so there's no real incentive for balancing the budget before the European Intervention. Here's the event:

##################################################
#  The Progressive Government Financial Crisis
##################################################
event = {
	id = 14810
	random = no
	country = MEX

	trigger = {
		NOT = {
			OR = {
				constitution = { country = MEX type = monarchy }
				constitution = { country = MEX type = constitutional_monarchy }
			}
		}
	}

	name = "EVT_14810_NAME"
	desc = "EVT_5800_DESC"
	style = 0

	date = { day = 2 month = january year = 1860 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME14810A" # Terminate National Debt
		command = { type = terminate_loans }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = AUS value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PRU value = -100 }
		command = { type = setflag which = flg_euro_intervention }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME14810B" # Create repay funds
		command = { type = treasury value = -100000 }
	}
}

 

[iBaLkiD]

Ugh. This is exactly why i asked this question. 100k debt eh? Brutal.

I thought you had the choice of repaying or going to war. Oh well any other
Non-GP? Im not shure i could achieve anything worthwhile in a MP scenario. The computer, no prob, humans tho would eat me alive. What was i thinking?!

Hmmm, back to the drawing board!




Also check out the market structure thread again, left a humorous response for you!

 

[unmerged(21796)]

doesnt that mean that democracys can avoid that event?

 

[iBaLkiD]

doesnt that mean that democracys can avoid that event?

Do you mean mexico as a democracy?

 

[unmerged(27373)]

Well, I hope I'm no longer a newbie

You can avoid that by turning yourself into monarchy or constitutional monarchy

Besides, I would just choose bankruptcy myself...so..you know bankruptcy is coming...spread out your factories and make sure you got at least 2 MP factories or 3. Just ot make sure you have 1 survive.

Mexico isn't easy to play, if I were you, I will just gradually sell all my land to USA for hard cold cash + tech. Once you don't own any USA core, your relationship won't go down. USA and CSA both have monroe doctrine event so if europeans come, they may step in.

If you're worried about USA and wanna show USA who's the boss, well, befriend UK, take northern states, leave south alone as CSA will give USA fun later.

If you cannot take GP...hmm...is Sardinia Piedmont considered a GP? My choices will be

1. China
2. Sardinia Piedmont
3. Netherland
4. Spain
5. Mexico
6. Sweden

Brazil isn't high on my list because..well..population sucks and no coal, etc. hurts. At least Mexico has dye, precious metal, iron, etc. to run an industry

 

[Memnon]

No, guys, there's no need to declare bankruptcy. Look again--you can copletely terminate the entire debt of your government in the click of a button. If you've used this advantage wisely, you'll probably be able to hold off the French and British at the beaches. Worst comes to worst, you could give them some useless land.

 

[unmerged(27373)]

No, guys, there's no need to declare bankruptcy. Look again--you can copletely terminate the entire debt of your government in the click of a button. If you've used this advantage wisely, you'll probably be able to hold off the French and British at the beaches. Worst comes to worst, you could give them some useless land.

Kinda...

You need to put some funds into a navy, prefer at least raider or IC. UK has belize so can hit you from there

It is possible to contain UK+France but if you do that, you may have to forgo keeping USA core and befriend USA instead...Mexico's population as well as rest of central and south america isn't exactly that dense. Navy doesn't use manpower (or shouldn't but it's a bit bugged) but armies do so...

As long as UK cannot land and only hit you from belize, you can easily defend your nation. Better choice is simply create a navy and go from there.

 

[iBaLkiD]

Well, I hope I'm no longer a newbie

You can avoid that by turning yourself into monarchy or constitutional monarchy

Besides, I would just choose bankruptcy myself...so..you know bankruptcy is coming...spread out your factories and make sure you got at least 2 MP factories or 3. Just ot make sure you have 1 survive.

Mexico isn't easy to play, if I were you, I will just gradually sell all my land to USA for hard cold cash + tech. Once you don't own any USA core, your relationship won't go down. USA and CSA both have monroe doctrine event so if europeans come, they may step in.

If you're worried about USA and wanna show USA who's the boss, well, befriend UK, take northern states, leave south alone as CSA will give USA fun later.

If you cannot take GP...hmm...is Sardinia Piedmont considered a GP? My choices will be

1. China
2. Sardinia Piedmont
3. Netherland
4. Spain
5. Mexico
6. Sweden

Brazil isn't high on my list because..well..population sucks and no coal, etc. hurts. At least Mexico has dye, precious metal, iron, etc. to run an industry

Well Blitz, youve written some great MP analysis in the past so no, i dont consider you a noob.

China is taken

SP is taken.

Netherlands i have no experience in playing. Im familiar with the early events from post's and stuff but thats about it. Are they viable? They arent that hard to industialize are they?

Spain seems interesting, but i have only played them when i first got the game. I know that there is a nasy revolution?(I think ) early on. They seem to have more population then some of the other choices so thats a plus.

Mexico i am still considering.

Sweden, well lets just say i have played them extensively in MP and am looking for a change. We all are actually hence the wierd game rules inregards to picking nations.

Just fiddled around with Mexico, man they are in bad shape. I am really thinking about forgetting them.

Spain and the Netherlands have me intrigues tho. Off to fire a game up with em and see whats what!

Feel free to add an suggestions, one and all!

 

[Darkrenown]

China is taken

Uh, is that wise? A player China will just civilize and become the nuber 1 GP in no time.

Oh, and the debt event checks that you AREN'T a mon or con mon, if you are, it won't fire.

 

[iBaLkiD]

Uh, is that wise? A player China will just civilize and become the nuber 1 GP in no time.

Oh, and the debt event checks that you AREN'T a mon or con mon, if you are, it won't fire.

Well normally no it wouldnt be, but China is being used by my youngest cousin who just started playing the game a few weeks ago when i bought it for his b-day. He is a history nut and has quickly warmed up to the game. I dont expect much out of him tho. Specially when GB comes a knockin on his door.

I have a feeling that this game will be uber diplo, with mass alliances. Should be fun.

 

[unmerged(27373)]

Well Blitz, youve written some great MP analysis in the past so no, i dont consider you a noob.

China is taken

Is that wise??? China...is a monster to say the least...put it this way, once China get civilized status and grab a few tech, it's the nastiest nation on earth, worse than UK, Russia, you name it, China will beat them to a bloody pulp.....

SP is taken.

Netherlands i have no experience in playing. Im familiar with the early events from post's and stuff but thats about it. Are they viable? They arent that hard to industialize are they?

Spain seems interesting, but i have only played them when i first got the game. I know that there is a nasy revolution?(I think ) early on. They seem to have more population then some of the other choices so thats a plus.

Mexico i am still considering.

Sweden, well lets just say i have played them extensively in MP and am looking for a change. We all are actually hence the wierd game rules inregards to picking nations.

Just fiddled around with Mexico, man they are in bad shape. I am really thinking about forgetting them.

Spain and the Netherlands have me intrigues tho. Off to fire a game up with em and see whats what!

Feel free to add an suggestions, one and all!

Carlist war is easy, just let rebel take your capital Revolution over ;p

Netherland has a lot of colonies. As far as industrialization, well, that is an issue but you can expand in Europe or try to grant statehood to Indonesia. You have war with Belgium and probably just let Belgium go, then DoW later. You can choose to hang on to Belgium and possibly trigger WW1 early but it's your choice. Since it's just u v Belgium, you can always just sue peace with belgium to end the war early, on your terms, hopefully, before UK start to land en mass

America in general isn't very densely populated. If USA did not get hard coded immigration, it really isn't exactly a good choice to play in MP. Europe is where the action is really

 

[unmerged(22834)]

considering sp and china are taken, spain is a great choice.

decent tech, good pop count (compared to others), if ur playing standard victoria - they have good colonising potiential, and its very easy to stick with france for protection.

with spain, u can easily slowly pick off minors in europe and great a mini empire in it.

 

[unmerged(27373)]

considering sp and china are taken, spain is a great choice.

decent tech, good pop count (compared to others), if ur playing standard victoria - they have good colonising potiential, and its very easy to stick with france for protection.

with spain, u can easily slowly pick off minors in europe and great a mini empire in it.

Yeah, spain is pretty good, Dutch is not bad either though. Either one is fine but they do require different ways of playing though

 

[iBaLkiD]

Looks like Spain. There start isnt that bad, definatley not as needy as mexico. I just played about 5 years or so with the Netherlands, then with Spain a little less.

Anyone ever war Portugal early? First 5 years? Are they allied with anyone at start? Snagging some of its colonies could be a great way to kick start things?

Africa you can colonize from the get go, which seems nice for your WM needs.

Spain is my choice me thinks. Lots of options.

Off to screw around with Spain some more.

 

[unmerged(22834)]

spain seems to the most industrial potiential. more pops, more provinces than the netherlands and far more than portugal.

 

[unmerged(27373)]

Looks like Spain. There start isnt that bad, definatley not as needy as mexico. I just played about 5 years or so with the Netherlands, then with Spain a little less.

Anyone ever war Portugal early? First 5 years? Are they allied with anyone at start? Snagging some of its colonies could be a great way to kick start things?

Africa you can colonize from the get go, which seems nice for your WM needs.

Spain is my choice me thinks. Lots of options.

Off to screw around with Spain some more.

UK often guarantee portugal's independence so be careful

If you're spain, make sure you're on France's good side, or else...good luck

 

[Darkrenown]

Is that wise??? China...is a monster to say the least...put it this way, once China get civilized status and grab a few tech, it's the nastiest nation on earth, worse than UK, Russia, you name it, China will beat them to a bloody pulp.....

Check the post above yours...

 

[unmerged(27373)]

Check the post above yours...

when I hit reply button, your post wasn't there...then I got distracted by you know who, came back, completed my post and hit submit.

 

[iBaLkiD]

when I hit reply button, your post wasn't there...then I got distracted by you know who, came back, completed my post and hit submit.

I think he meant the post where i said my cousin will be playing, or was Dark refering to his own? Now im sonfused. I should really go to sleep but my, "Getting to know Spain" game is muy fun.

Damn this game :rofl:

*Alt-Tabs back to vicky*