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I'm a fairly new player and am currently playing my first game where I've built up a large enough realm to be within grasp of creating an empire. I started with a Finnish high chieftain in 867 in Karelia. A century later I control both the kingdoms of Finland and Rus, give or take a few counties here and there. I've also reformed Suomenusko and spread it to all of my realm as well as spreading Finnish culture to some of the Russian lands. My dynasty (House Karjalainen) holds nearly all feudal titles within the realm and the succession type is feudal elective. I've now moved my capital to Novgorod and have invested heavily in the duchy of Ilmen/Novgorod as the core of my personal demesne.

From this point on I basically wanted to expand in all directions with the following objectives in mind:

1. Gain a couple more kingdom titles and ideally form a custom empire (if I can get 8k prestige somehow!). It's unclear to me how this works in de jure terms however. If I form a custom Finnish empire including, say, Finland + Rus + Perm + Lithuania, then are those kingdoms completely removed from the de jure empires they should have belonged to? Or if the Scandinavian Empire were later formed for example, would its emperor have a de jure claim on the Kingdom of Finland?

2. Spread Suomenusko to as much of the tribal pagan world around me as I can before they convert to Christianity or Islam. In the long run I want a large Suomenusko world to have more to work with in terms of marriages and other interactions. The good thing is that the moral authority is very high, in the 80-100 range depending on who is the high priest. But for some reason my court chaplain refuses to proselytize outside of my realm: all other counties are greyed out even though I thought it should be possible to proselytize in the capitals of independent pagan rulers. How can I proselytize outside my realm?

3. In the long run I don't necessarily want to blob forever and attempt to vassalize the whole world. I'd like to set up a prosperous empire for myself and then mainly try to spread the faith and place members of my dynasty on the thrones of other kingdoms/empires.

Some things I'm uncertain about and need a little advice with:

1. I'd like to set up a vassal merchant republic but have no experience with those at all. I hear they're a good source of gold and I imagine that a doge would be less rebellious due to having a smaller levy vs his liege's (me) than a feudal duke would have. Estonia seems like a good duchy for an MR. I understand how to set up an MR, but what's a really good way to do it? Should I ideally give every city and county in the duchy to the first doge, so that there are fewer middle men and more direct taxation? Then once the republic is there, is it worth spending some of my own gold to add cities and trade posts or improve on existing ones, or should I just let the doges do it themselves?

2. Ideally I want high centralization and few vassals so I'm willing to eventually consolidate some of my territories under some combination of vassal kings and grand dukes, particularly the marginal ones like Finland and Perm. I wouldn't mind having a vassal King of Finland at some point but I have a problems with it: the Kingdom of Rus is landlocked so either I'd have to forego having a personal levy of ships, perhaps instead relying on my Estonian merchant republic.

3. The other problem I have with Finland is that the high priest (the "pope") of Suomenusko resides in Käkisalmi in eastern Finland. I have this feeling that I'd want to have the high priest as a direct vassal (as a theocratic duke of Karelia) so that I could revoke him/her (I can do that, right?) if needed. I hate how little influence I have over the choice of high priest - my dynasty has a buffet selection of qualified master theologians with no title, yet the new high priest is always some terrible randomized lowborn with crappy stats, no piety and bad traits like cynical or slow, etc. There's a juicy +2 prestige per month for all members of my dynasty if it controls the church, so there's a lot at stake here. What can I do to get one of my own into that position? But due to this issue primarily I'm thinking I'll need to hang on to the King of Finland title and just have vassal dukes there.

Sorry for the walls of text here but if anyone cares to comment on some of this I'd really appreciate it.
 

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1: When you form the custom empire, your kingdom titles will all be under the new empire, so an Emperor of Scandinavia will not have any de jure power over your Finnish lands.

2: Only Christians and Muslims can send chaplains to pagans. However, once the Crusades/Jihads trigger, you will gain the ability to launch a Great Holy War, called by the High Priest. It is identical to a Catholic Crusade, except you cannot request the Great Priest to target a kingdom. When the GHW, and then land a member of your dynasty with the title, and grant them independence. BOOM, you have another nation with your religion.

3: ^^

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1: I believe you grant a coastal duchy title to a Republic, (the ruler of a city.)

2: You can always keep a few counties in Finland. Or wait for a coastal Duchy, like Estonia, to de jure shift into Rus.

3: The High Priest is selected by Open Elective succession. It's completely random. :(
 

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I think Sergeant Flutter pretty much covered it.
And you can easily get 8000 prestige by raiding the christians and muslims (not much point raiding pagans as they are likely still tribal and even if not they wont have well upgraded buildings. Id say raid the islands in the mediterranean so you can siege them down without anyone bothering you. Maybe also wherever the pope lives if he isnt a vassal or doesnt have a large realm. Also Venice if it doesnt have a big retinue standing on the island. And small dukes along the coast. Can easily get 1k prestige in 2-3 years of raiding like that. I just recently did so and went from 1700 prestige to 8000 in about 10 years, or 2 and a half raiding trips with 150 ships and filling them up with gold.
 

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Thanks for the replies.

The random High Priest is a big disappointment :( I wish Paradox had just copied some sort of College of Cardinals thing for the reformed pagan religions. It would be more fun to have something to interact with. But to be clear, will the new High Priest always be a freshly randomized lowborn or can he/she also be chosen from existing characters (my dynasty or not)?

I've been doing some raiding to build up prestige, so I'm aware of that and will continue to do more. Raiding is also good for boosting Suomenusko moral authority and reducing the authority of the Christians at the same time. So I'll continue to do some of that... but 150 ships? I don't have anywhere near that, but then I haven't been investing much in shipyards. Not that I'd have 15000 troops to put into that sort of fleet. The only thing that keeps me from raiding more is that I also need to do wars of conquest to actually have the territory required to form an empire. I find that it takes a while to build up a strong military after going from tribal to feudal.

I wasn't aware of the mechanics of de jure drift... I read about it now on the wiki and that can solve a lot of my problems in the long run. But one further question on this: is there any way for an emperor to add an internal kingdom to his empire by founding a custom kingdom? For example, if I had an empire spanning all of the kingdoms of Finland, Rus and Perm, but would like this territory to be divided between four kingdoms, with one new kingdom somewhere in the middle. Would it be possible for me as emperor to give away all the kingdom titles to vassals, while holding onto some duchies and then founding a custom kingdom that includes all those duchies de jure?

Also, is it not possible for counties to drift from one de jure duchy to another? The wiki only mentions de jure drift for duchies and kingdoms.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, in open elective succession the heir is the most popular person in the ruler's court and if none are available the game generates a random lowborn. Pagan priests can marry, right? It might be possible to give the high priest a noble wife using matrilineal marriage and if they have a daughter you get her matrillineally married to the most diplomatic kinsman you have available. If everything goes according to plan, the kinsman should eventually inherit the title. Then you can assassinate his wife and get him into a regular marriage and when they have children of your dynasty you make sure they get educated in diplomacy so they can keep inheriting the title. Also, either make sure any children from the first marriage are educated to have poor diplomacy or have them killed.

You can only form custom kingdoms if your primary title is a duchy, so it's too late for that. And no, counties can't drift. De jure drift only happens to kingdoms and duchies. Titles also only ever drift into your primary title, so once you have an empire you can no longer have duchies drift into your kingdom. You can only have kingdoms drift into your empire.
 

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About the ship part, thats after going to feudal and having almost my whole realm also feudal, you really only need 1 shipyard per holding, as thats probably all you can even get in early game. But 25 of those shipyards is 150 ships, Thats probably only 10 counties really if you have multiple castles and a few towns. I had this with only coastal places being Kingdom of Finland and Kingdom of Lithuania (all of both), and this was almost right after feudalising and when only some vassals had started going feudal. Try using rulership to build 2 castles in 1 region without also building the church and town, and also you get the castle for 100 gold cheaper.
And btw, you dont need 180 realm size, in the north especialy thats pretty difficult because you first need to feudalise, which means your economy will be weak and so you cant build loads of sub-holdings, and even once you improve economy most provinces have few sub-holding slots. I just went for 3 kingdom titles, Rus, Lithuania and Finland (renamed Estonia). And then once you form the empire these kingdom titles also become de jure part of the empire right away, even if you dont control all the land in the kingdoms and some is in foreign countries.
 

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Thanks for the tips on the open succession.
Also, the fact that de jure drift only happens to your primary title is very significant. It means that if I found an empire now, then I'll have to accept the kingdoms as they are. If I want to change the borders it seems that I'd have to delay my empire plans and either destroy my second kingdom or attempt to give it independence while keeping the duchies that I want to drift into my main kingdom... dunno if this is worth all the hassle and the wait. But then perhaps there's no rush, an empire isn't the end-all be-all or is it?
 

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