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iBaLkiD said:
Your MP group i am eyeing with much delight. You guys seem to be off to a great start. Specially Memnon. I think your ability to play through longer periods of gametime then average MP games is due to the fact that you all nailed down some solid rules before hand. This makes the experience so much more enjoyable. It doesnt hurt to have a great group of people participating as the game currently does.

*claps hands together, rubs them vigorously, and powers up the laptop with Vicky on it*

Thank god i have an office, with a door that i can close!
I'm glad my start has impressed you, but I'm not doing as well as I was expecting. If these scaredy-cats wouldn't be so afraid of Russia swallowing China...

...I keed, I keed! :D

Anyway, I'm sure that our success ingetting that far was due to the dedication of the group, as well as a relative ablity to hold back on the pauses. But yes, establishing some rules is certainly a good thing. So is having players who have enough experience so they can do seven things at once. ;)
 

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Ah, yes. I really want to get my keys back so that I can go home and try some MP games. Any european player (or anyone who could play at roughly the same times as a European, for that matter), feel free to contact me to try some MP games!

Feel free to post your profile in our MP game thread (started by lamprey). We already have euros in our group. Strategist is from netherland. Aly is going to sub for Austria until July and he's in Switzerland. DR is ruling USA with me and he's in Europe too.

Memnon said:
You're absolutely correct, Blitz. Look at me in our MY game. You call me aggressive, you should see the way Tom bullied me around! But think about it this way--in a SP game, I would do exactly what I'm doing now, but I wouldn't have anyone to tell me not to go bavck to war with China, lest I find myself in a war with them, too. It really makes you appreciate competiton, and teaches you how to call a bluff here and there.

Let's just put it this way, if Tom behaves that way with pause, it's simple, we won't play with him. :) I guess you can learn how our current group works. I think it's kinda interesting that 4 of us have been playing together for a while so we kinda know what to expect. Having you guys join us make diplomacy a lot more touche as we don't know what to expect. I find it interesting that our current game has the mentality of trust no one when I start to talk with people and figure out what kind of player they are. Reminds me of X-files. I think as we get more comfortable with each other, people are more willing to deal together so to speak, such as piling on, etc.

iBaLkiD said:
I do play alot of MP. Only play SP at work ;) and when i cant get a MP game of Vicky going.

I think you gave some of the most sound advice in this thread. Some stuff i didnt think of(not that hard to do) I usually love to chime in on threads like this but you covered most anything that i could think of plus a few things that i hadnt considered.

Your MP group i am eyeing with much delight. You guys seem to be off to a great start. Specially Memnon. I think your ability to play through longer periods of gametime then average MP games is due to the fact that you all nailed down some solid rules before hand. This makes the experience so much more enjoyable. It doesnt hurt to have a great group of people participating as the game currently does.

*claps hands together, rubs them vigorously, and powers up the laptop with Vicky on it*

Thank god i have an office, with a door that i can close!

We have the advantage of playing together either with or against each for a few years so we learned what works and what not I suppose.

I also don't deserve all the credit. Deploying reserves in enemy territory is something Spex came up and surprised us. Innovation happens quick in MP in my opinion as you have different people thinking differently and it's brutally efficient. Shape up or die...so...you have a lot of motivation :)

Mp will be successful if everyone or at least almost everyone is having a lot of fun. If majority aren't having fun, MP will not be successful. To that end, we think respect is essential, respect for each other and don't do things that ruin it. If you're a large nation, deal with it. That's how I learned ledger in order to avoid pause often in MP. You like to chat a lot, fine, but don't pause and ruin other's fun.

Another thing is MP give good wars so to that end, it's best if everyone observe the rule of playing for his/her country's best interest as well as keeping balance of power in mind. This way, it's easy to have fun, bloody, but not lopsided wars :)

But overall, biggest joy/problem in MP is diplomacy. Tech trading is great, but can you trust that player? If everyone plays with balance in power in mind, he can turn on you once you become powerful, etc. Ah, lots of joy and keep you on your toes, unlike SP games :)
 

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Memnon said:
I'm glad my start has impressed you, but I'm not doing as well as I was expecting. If these scaredy-cats wouldn't be so afraid of Russia swallowing China...

...I keed, I keed! :D

Anyway, I'm sure that our success ingetting that far was due to the dedication of the group, as well as a relative ablity to hold back on the pauses. But yes, establishing some rules is certainly a good thing. So is having players who have enough experience so they can do seven things at once. ;)

I think the fear is not unfounded. Imagine Russia is bad enough in MP and with China absorbed...it's a monster even all players band together won't defeat...you can have endless horde of soldiers marching to the front line, die, die, die, but push forward as our little nations slowly give away to the Russian horde...

to that end, feeding tech to Russia is like signing a suicide note (according to a player, not me and he shall remain anonymous).
 

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Blitzkrieg said:
I think the fear is not unfounded. Imagine Russia is bad enough in MP and with China absorbed...it's a monster even all players band together won't defeat...you can have endless horde of soldiers marching to the front line, die, die, die, but push forward as our little nations slowly give away to the Russian horde...

to that end, feeding tech to Russia is like signing a suicide note (according to a player, not me and he shall remain anonymous).
Oh come on!!

We're less than ten years into the game and you've all already decided that I need to be put down? Well, I'd like to see what happens when France, Austria, and Prussia decide that they've hade nough of Russia and want a bit of each other's land. Or perhaps when the US is leading the world in industry, and France and Austria decide that they need to support the CSA. I mey be large, but I have no desire to conquer any human player. I don't need to. Your primary threats come from those around you--those who do need to conquer other human players in order to remain powerful.
 

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Oh come on!!

We're less than ten years into the game and you've all already decided that I need to be put down? Well, I'd like to see what happens when France, Austria, and Prussia decide that they've hade nough of Russia and want a bit of each other's land. Or perhaps when the US is leading the world in industry, and France and Austria decide that they need to support the CSA. I mey be large, but I have no desire to conquer any human player. I don't need to. Your primary threats come from those around you--those who do need to conquer other human players in order to remain powerful.

Ah, a great diplomat in the making, pointing out problems for all of us to change the subject.

Good arguments. That's the great part about MP :)

I look forward to your further diplomatic communicate. First, I have to consult with my crystal ball...err, chief of staff. :)
 

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Darkrenown said:
Try walking around holding a document and looking angery :)
Well, I just did it. I was bored, so I got up, grabbed a stack of papers and a pen, and walked around my floor a few times muttering to myself and sighing angrily. I got a lot of looks from my co-workers. I think they fell for it. :cool:
 

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Great! Next time, walk around, asking if anyone has seen the Krugerman file, then when they say they haven't, complain loudly about the nitwit who managed to loose it and ruin your the work you were trying to do ;)

:) Rafiki
 

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rafiki said:
Great! Next time, walk around, asking if anyone has seen the Krugerman file, then when they say they haven't, complain loudly about the nitwit who managed to loose it and ruin your the work you were trying to do ;)

:) Rafiki
Oh, Rafiki, that's brilliant!

:rofl:
 

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Memnon said:
Well, I just did it. I was bored, so I got up, grabbed a stack of papers and a pen, and walked around my floor a few times muttering to myself and sighing angrily. I got a lot of looks from my co-workers. I think they fell for it. :cool:

you devious you....

// mental note to self, russia propaganda may simply be russian propaganda...you never know what's true ;)
 

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mental note to self, russia propaganda may simply be russian propaganda...you never know what's true ;)
Part of the fun is discerning the truth from the falsehood. Kremlinology anyone?

And Rafiki, I've put some thought into that MP guide you suggested. I think I'll do it, but I may write something new rather than directly use this thread. I learned a lot from this game with Tom, and I think I'm in a better position to write an MP guide now than I was before. I'll start the writing when I get home this evening. Hopefully, it'll be good. I've already got it outlined inmy head. :D
 

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Blitzkrieg said:
Feel free to post your profile in our MP game thread (started by lamprey). We already have euros in our group. Strategist is from netherland. Aly is going to sub for Austria until July and he's in Switzerland. DR is ruling USA with me and he's in Europe too.

Done.
 

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Memnon said:
Oh, Rafiki, that's brilliant!

:rofl:
Or ask them if they have seen the Zimmerman Telegram, and tell them to let you know as soon as FedEx delivers it.
 

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Memnon said:
Part of the fun is discerning the truth from the falsehood. Kremlinology anyone?

And Rafiki, I've put some thought into that MP guide you suggested. I think I'll do it, but I may write something new rather than directly use this thread. I learned a lot from this game with Tom, and I think I'm in a better position to write an MP guide now than I was before. I'll start the writing when I get home this evening. Hopefully, it'll be good. I've already got it outlined inmy head. :D

Maybe we can do vickiwicki style?

I highly suggest some explaination on diplomacy, as well as MP economy as they can be different than SP mode. Some rules we found that can help an MP game might be good to include as well to help other aspiring MP groups to create enjoyable games for everyone.
 

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Blitzkrieg said:
Maybe we can do vickiwicki style?

I highly suggest some explaination on diplomacy, as well as MP economy as they can be different than SP mode. Some rules we found that can help an MP game might be good to include as well to help other aspiring MP groups to create enjoyable games for everyone.
Right now I'm absorbed in writing a Sun Tsu-like treatise on multiplayer warfare. It's waaay too fun to stop, even if it will come across sounding like I'm conceited. I'll give you a brief glimpse--it's called "The Nine Legions of Victory".

When I finish with this, then I might go back to write a bit about the differences between MP and SP in the spheres of economy and diplomacy. That ought to be fun too. :)
 

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Right now I'm absorbed in writing a Sun Tsu-like treatise on multiplayer warfare. It's waaay too fun to stop, even if it will come across sounding like I'm conceited. I'll give you a brief glimpse--it's called "The Nine Legions of Victory".

When I finish with this, then I might go back to write a bit about the differences between MP and SP in the spheres of economy and diplomacy. That ought to be fun too. :)

I was wondering why you haven't been posting...you're having too much fun by yourself.

maybe next game, if I have time, I can be Russia, you can be Prussia, then you can write on

The nine reasons to lose an MP game :)

but seriously, the more I play MP, the more I come to the realization it's best to build industry based on your nation's own resources as economic warfare seem to be the norm (at least in our game, due to Spex).
 

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Blitzkrieg said:
I was wondering why you haven't been posting...you're having too much fun by yourself.

He means with :cool:
 

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Memnon said:
Mem,
I've yet to play MP; had Vicky since it came out in the US, and spend most of the time working on VIP. If you fellows want someone to play the USA (and yes, I do play historically...well, most of the time at least :)) let me know.
Aragos
 

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Aragos said:
Mem,
I've yet to play MP; had Vicky since it came out in the US, and spend most of the time working on VIP. If you fellows want someone to play the USA (and yes, I do play historically...well, most of the time at least :)) let me know.
Aragos
Hey Aragos,

Darkrenown and Blitzkrieg are alternating as the USA in our current game, and I think we have a new Spain as well. But if you want to play a challenging game as Mexico or Brazil or the Netherlands, drop your contact info and availability times in our AAR thread. :)
 

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Memnon said:
Hey Aragos,

Darkrenown and Blitzkrieg are alternating as the USA in our current game, and I think we have a new Spain as well. But if you want to play a challenging game as Mexico or Brazil or the Netherlands, drop your contact info and availability times in our AAR thread. :)

I have to warn you, all 3 nations will face serious serious challenges.

DR is running USA in the next session and probably for a while so keep that in mind if you pick Mexico. Ultra diplomatic skills are required as Mexico. I assume Mexico's industry is that tequila factory so...good luck :)

As far as Brazil...well....it can be boring and unless you are pretty good with diplomacy. Given how warmonger like people have been in this game, if one of the major players decide to pay Brazil a visit, who's gonna stop someone from burning Brazil? Unlike SP mode, I'm afraid Brazil may not be able to enjoy such a long peaceful time if it's controlled by a player. One player has told me last night that he thrives on human versus human (no, it's not me that said that) so keep that in mind.

Netherland is also another challenge. It need serious diplomacy, just like Mexico and Brazil in order to survive. Netherland is in the best shape among those 3, with more industry going as well as a prosperous colonial empire. But, what can you do to keep the Prussian or French at bay?

So far, Raph got 3 votes for him to play so one more player vote yes, Raph will get Spain. You're left with 3 uneniable choices. :)