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I want to use one of the small dutch minors to form the Netherlands, which I have never done before, does anyone have any advice for which minor I should pick as well as diplomatic/idea strategies? Thanks in advance I am not sure which direction take this new campaign.
 

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I want to use one of the small dutch minors to form the Netherlands, which I have never done before, does anyone have any advice for which minor I should pick as well as diplomatic/idea strategies? Thanks in advance I am not sure which direction take this new campaign.

Are you sure you dont wanna use the Hansa for the extra Lubeck Krantor decision? :)
 

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Are you sure you dont wanna use the Hansa for the extra Lubeck Krantor decision? :)

There are four kinds of Netherlands players. People like the OP, people like you, people who play Burgundy > Netherlands, and then people who spit out Holland, play as, and then fight an independence war as the true Dutch minor.

Anyways OP, I think Utretch is considered the easiest Dutch minor as they already have a core on Gelre. Typical diplomacy applies; buddy up with France and beat the snot out of Burgundy/whoever inherits.
 

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There are four kinds of Netherlands players. People like the OP, people like you, people who play Burgundy > Netherlands, and then people who spit out Holland, play as, and then fight an independence war as the true Dutch minor.

Anyways OP, I think Utretch is considered the easiest Dutch minor as they already have a core on Gelre. Typical diplomacy applies; buddy up with France and beat the snot out of Burgundy/whoever inherits.

:D which type are you?
 

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form netherlands with hansa, best idea really. Not obvious, but still best idea.

Take a looka t the national traiditons and ideas of the dutch minors and see what you like play style wise.

If its trade you want, consider doing it with hansa and forming netherlands as a merchnant republic by culture switching the hansa by putting the hansa capital on a dutch province.

If you want to roleplay it, well, use friesland. Burgundy usually won't warn you, and utrecht is just too easy. Also, Forming netherlands with a monastic state is meh, and gelre, well.. Gelre is hard.

Gelre's starting position is much worse than the other two nations. For one, its only province is also Burgundy's core so they will almost always attack or warn you, setting you back years. It is however, a monarchy. As a monarchy you will have a much better time securing an alliance with France or Denmark. You can also play the dynasty game, possibly getting a good union over someone before becoming a republic. You can also opt not to become a republic if your dynasty is quite strong, for example having France or any other great power in your dynasty.

Read the wiki article maybe at

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Netherlands

Anyways, i'd use gelre, get alliance with France, and stomp Burgundy hard. Just do NOT take a border with France.

Or you can do an alliance with burgundy and stomp France. Its basically a choice between those two.
 
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If you would like a tricky start, have a look at my let's play in the link - I did a Friesland to Netherlands game and, with a few issues, have done quite well for myself. I explain in the first few what I will be doing and that should give you a good enough start to catapult yourself forwards :)
 

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I want to hear more about Forming Netherlands as Hansa. Especially in terms of MP. Are you stronger then Hansa NL or Burgundy NL?

Starting as the Hansa in the beginning of the campaign, you will face pretty uncomfortable situation: you have three provinces separated from one another, 5 diplomatic relations (with respective penalty in diplomatic points) and Denmark and its lapdogs to the north. So if you wish to make the Hansa one of the Major European Countries, you should consider expansion right from the beginning. Since the north of Germany is initially formed mostly by OPMs, which are easy to conquer, you are not the only pretender. Despite at least one of your missions suggesting you to go to war with Denmark, you'll have to acquire a strong and, more importantly, local allies to do it. So even if you are friends with Austria (which you probably might want to become, since the Emperor ignoring your expansion makes life easier), it won't help a lot because they are relatively far away. On the other hand, being allies with Denmark will make your expansion inside the HRE very easy.

In summary, the first things to consider are: befriending Austria and Denmark, losing three of five of your initial OPMs allies, and then taking them over and whatever else comes along.

Why Hansa can into netherlands? Hansa has events and missions that give big trade and ship bonuses till end of campaign in 1820.

+5 provincial trade power from mission, +0.5 Trade value from tagfahrt event, +5% Trade efficiency and+10% National trade income modifier
and -1% Diplomatic technology cost fromlubeck krantor national decision, and the adler von lubeck national decision will give -2% Heavy ship cost, -2% Diplomatic technology cost , -30% Shipbuilding time and +20% Morale of navies.

Convinced yet? :) NO?

Ok well,

Hansa is merchant republic, and the bonuses from merchant republic government form will synergise well with the national ideas from the netherlands (free merchant, +10% trade range and +15% trade efficiency, not to mention the navy bonuses) You get double ship bonuses, load of trade bonuses, and you can try domineering the ANTWERP node *and* Lubeck. In theory you can steer trade from Ragusa inland towards Hansa (lubeck node) only to collect in antwerp. The bonus to inland trade steering the merchant republic gives, is HUGE.

Main goal should be to Ally Austria and later on France, and kick the snot out of Burgundy, to conquer the entire antwerp trade region. Later on, you can dismantle france and feed trade from genoa over bordeaux to antwerp aswell.

You can also invade England/Scotland for the ability to send trade ships to the sea node feeding into antwerp (hmmmm, or did they change that in 1.8, didn't look at it yet)
 
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