Advice: Defeating JohnMK and Spain

[Damocles]

Jaron,

Thats just fine...Next time you will do much better. You know now, that since you're new to the MP experience, you cannot realistically hope to compete with him over the long term in peaceful coexistance. Next time, you will know to really give John a challenge by going after him early. It is a real weakness of his. He very much tries to avoid conflict at any cost whatsoever until he is uber-advanced. Then you might as well start a new game.

On the other hand, once you gain some significant experience, you can take advantage of peace and inactivity just as much as he can...

And alot of it depends on which countries someone takes. Obviously, you have to watch out for an expanding Spain or Ottomans more then a Austria...In most circumstances.


EDIT: My new tactic for dealing with Spain as France in multiplayer games is right at the start, when France is comparatively MUCH stronger then Spain, to start demanding the right to colonize ToT territory, like the carribean islands, etc, very aggressively, then fortifying them immensly.

The first 50 years, if France can equal Spain in it's colonial expansion, it will remain dominant the rest of the game over Spain. Granted, its a fairly risky strategy that can backfire BADLY if most other countries ally with Spain against you and you are not experienced enough to actually beat Spain silly as France...(Which if you're fairly new and you're playing a great Spanish player, can and will happen...Which is just a fact of life).

 

[Damocles]

Oh...and for your own sanity, in multiplayer, unless you are very confident, keep France catholic and take advantage of CRC which is great.

 

[Chopain]

Playing with JohnMK or/and Damocles is a blast. I always know that I'll get my butt kicked but at least I learn somthing after the game for when I play others. In my experiences once a nation goes into Italy I know that I will be in trouble and almost immeditly go after them.

I would try doing somthing wacky. Don't ask me what but pray for bad lag and hope hes reading a Playboy. I like Peters ideas too. Tell him to go celebrate his victories at the bar before playing.

I'll join the game if needed.Give me the Ottomans and I'll distract him in Italy and hopfully he'll screw up somewhere.

 

[Generalisimo]

a question out of thread, sorry, but i want to know if being behind a proxy let me play the game over the internet. Until now, i have only played over a LAN, but i want to play it over the internet, so ? can i ? or not?

 

[JohnMK]

As long as you can accept incoming TCP connections from ports 2300-2400 & 47624, you're in the clear. You might have to enable port forwarding if those ports aren't open-able to you.

 

[Generalisimo]

ok, i will try when i get home, thanks.

 

[Galleblære]

Actually, I think, instead of ending the game in second place, its better to go down violently in flames and a bloodbath. Just maximize income, give a damn to inflation, and just build troops, troops, and yes, troops. Swarm Spain with wave after wave. Just keep going utill one of you are destroyed.

You could try to get Austria into an alliance with you, just get relations up to all alliance members and join it. With high relations they are more likely to declare war on Spain also. If War exhaustion is going on long enough, you might just see his empire starting to crumble, whilst you, can keep it down longer......

Thats my idea...go out or up in a blast!

 

[Prince Eugene]

I didn't bother to even read any of the suggestions on beating him other than Damocles' (because he is the only person I have seen contain him). If this is your first mp game JohnMK is not the person you want to kill you your first try. Stop wasting your time because you cannot beat JohnMK!

 

[boehm]

if this is a two player game u are screwed....u either need a big alliance you are toast....the secret to playing vs someone starting off as Aragon as JohnMK likes to do is to NOT allow them to grab italy...just like France must not grab Italy or Germany neither must Spain...but ofcause since keeping the BoP in a two player game is hopeless anyway I simply suggest u start putting all your income into cash and prey that u can buy a spanish citizenship.....

 

[unmerged(9895)]

so damocles what you are saying is that in the "limited" gang of determined players who play MP that johnMK is the second best and I, of course, am the best, the King of the Hill, the Warlord of Eu2, the Pimp of all players and multi-players, the Grandaddy playing with his grandchildern, the Heavy Wieght Champion of the World???
I could be mistaken, but is that what you were trying to say?

 

[unmerged(6618)]

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
FedEx JohnMK a crate or two of beer and convince him that drinking the lot immediately prior to playing is a really brilliant idea. This may take some doing, but I trust in your ingenuity. Then, and this is important, you convince him that he ought to switch religion to protestant, and, a few minutes later, to reformed. Suggest that his game will be more interesting with max intolerance to Catholics, and more historically accurate too. (*)

Now, drunk on booze, power, and largescale rebellions, he will laugh in your face when you invade.

You'll still lose, of course, and badly at that, but at least you'll go down in flames with a crazed smile on your face.



* Technically this counts as a lie, but you can claim it is a well-known fact, delivered down from father to son in the oral tradition of the muslim settlers of North America - you know, the ones led by Garibaldi. Hey! It might work.

Definitely the most sound advice. Save some beer for yourself though, just so you have fun going down

 

[Damocles]

so damocles what you are saying is that in the "limited" gang of determined players who play MP that johnMK is the second best and I, of course, am the best, the King of the Hill, the Warlord of Eu2, the Pimp of all players and multi-players, the Grandaddy playing with his grandchildern, the Heavy Wieght Champion of the World???

Yes Kris, you are the master.

BTW, to the comment about whoever goes for Italy...

I concur. Historically, the French, Germans and Spanish (Not to mention the Aragonese, the Venetians, the Swiss, etc etc) waged most of their wars (in the EUII period) over just who would dominate Italy. Stepping back and letting ANY of those three powers grab it without a massive fight is tantamount to suicide.

 

[unmerged(8303)]

I let John have Italy but it was his colonies that killed me. But its ok. He showed me some cool possibilities and I learned a LOT from that ONE mp game.

It was a loss in that I didn't win, but he taught me so much and I had a lot of fun playing it so all in all I'm glad I got the opportunity to play..

 

[Prince Eugene]

What country was MKJ?

 

[unmerged(6757)]

Originally posted by Prince Eugene
What country was MKJ?

From what I gathered of this I think he played Austria.

 

[Prince Eugene]

Originally posted by PRINCE BUB


From what I gathered of this I think he played Austria.

thats what i thought but jaron mentioned spain's sister austria

 

[unmerged(6757)]

Originally posted by Prince Eugene


thats what i thought but jaron mentioned spain's sister austria

Maybe when MKJ left the game Austria and Spain became friends?

 

[unmerged(8303)]

what happened was Austria more or less was unimportant the whole game. whenever we had a third joining they'd play Austria. the AI tended to ally with madam Spain, but when MKJ played he was a very anti-french, anti-spanish austria..

Go figure.

 

[unmerged(252)]

I hate to start a flame thread or anything, but what is with this Damocles guy? I know he is probably some huge bigshot around here and I am gonna get flamed off the board, but how tacky is it to constantly harp on how great a player you are and how you're the number one player and you're such a great fighter, blah, blah, blah. I mean, give me a break. I don't care if he actually is as good as he says he is, you still don't talk like that. You don't hear Michael Jordan or Pedro Martinez harping on and on about how great they are at their respective sports, do you? They know enough to let others do it for them. My guess is if you need to constantly say how good you are yourself, you're probably not that good and very insecure to boot.

I'm sorry, but I've just been reading these boards for a couple weeks now, and it has struck me how every single post by this guy revolves around how great he is. It gets annoying after a while.

 

[unmerged(8303)]

*places gold down before le duc trés catholique du lithuania, Damocles*

Master...