Admiral Barbarossa, John Ward, Jan Janszoon and formable Barbary/Pirate state possibility?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Barbarossa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Barbary-pirate

Barbarossa is one of the most famous pirates/admirals in all history which was alive and doing gods works around 1500s to 1545s.
He beat holy league in Battle of Preveza, he kept raiding mediterrenean coasts, stealing ships from European powers. He established the Ottoman supremacy in the Mediterranean. The guy practically made Ottomans 3rd largest naval force.

Barbarossa AKA Redbeard
Greek/Turkish Pirate
circa 1530's
"He and his brother Aruj, sons of a Turk from Lesbos, took up piracy on the Barbary Coast in hopes of seizing an African domain for themselves. When Aruj was killed in 1518, Khidr took the title Khayr al-Din. He offered allegiance to the Ottoman sultan and in return received military aid that enabled him to capture Algiers in 1529. Appointed admiral in chief of the Ottoman Empire (1533), he conquered all of Tunisia. Emperor Charles V captured Tunis in 1535, but Khayr al-Din defeated his fleet at the Battle of Preveza (1538), securing the eastern Mediterranean for the Turks for 33 years. His red beard was the source of the epithet Barbarossa, used by Europeans."

I think that piracy/barbary naval actions might be lot more active in EU4 to make naval gameplay more serious and detailed by the way.

Also English later Muslim pirate called Jack Ward was also famous, possibly inspired Jack Sparrow character even.

John/Jack Ward AKA Yusuf Reis
Barbary Corsair
Active 1553 - 1622
"
In 1602 John Ward was jailed for plundering a Danish ship in the Caribbean. Then in 1603, Ward was forced into the Royal Navy, which by some was considered to be a fate worse than death. Shortly afterward, he and 30 others deserted at Plymouth and stole a small bark. Despite the size of the ship, they were able to capture a two larger ships, one with six guns, and set sail for the Mediterranean. Two years later he stole a 32-gun warship and renamed it the Gift and used it to plunder several merchantmen loaded with spices and silks.

In 1605 in Morocco, several English and Dutch sailors joined his crew, including Richard Bishop and Anthony Johnson. By the end of 1606, Ward had worked a deal with Uthman Dey, the ruler of Tunis. He was permitted to use Tunis as a safe haven from where he could strike out in hunt for prey. In return, Uthman Dey would buy their booty for a fifth of its true value. From their base, they took several rich prizes, including a 60 ton ship loaded with a tremendously valuable cargo.

The winter of 1607 Ward's largest ship became unseaworthy so he secretly deserted with a few of his crew, sailing off in a French ship. The large ship sank off Greece drowning 250 muslim and 150 English sailors aboard. The Tunisians were outraged over the loss of men and Ward's desertion, but Uthman Dey, wealthy from his dealings with Ward, offered him protection. Ward however offered King James I a large bribe in exchange for a pardon. King James refused Ward's offer and Ward was forced to return to Tunis. Uthman Dey kept his word, however, and Ward was safe. Ward eventually became a muslim and changed his name to Yusuf Reis. As Yusuf Reis, he continued his career in piracy until 1622, up until the age of 70. By then he had both an Italian wife and also a wife in England.

He lived out the rest of his life in luxury and may have died of the plague."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions

Turkish supported piracy kept ongoing even into Atlantic sea, reaching Iceland.

Jan Janszoon
AKA Murad Reis
Active 1620

This Dutch privateer joined the Barbary corsairs and in 1627 led a Muslim fleet to Iceland, where they took slaves and plunder.

"Ireland was subject to a similar attack. In June 1631 Murat Reis, with corsairs from Algiers and armed troops of the Ottoman Empire, stormed ashore at the little harbor village of Baltimore, County Cork. They captured almost all the villagers and took them away to a life of slavery in North Africa"

 

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I wanna return to Maghreb region for improvements after Golden Century @neondt @Groogy

What more to add in Maghreb:

1. Banu Sulaym (or Beni Sulaym): An independent tribe practically controlled region right between Tripoli and Mamluks. Could be nice addition for 1444 start.
Beni Sulaym were an Arabian tribe that migrated to North Africa from Nejd and Hejaz via Egypt following the trails of the Beni Hilal 1049. Their influx was a major factor in the linguistic, cultural and ethnic Arabization of the Maghreb, and in the spread of nomadism in areas where agriculture had previously been dominant.
2. Figuig: Oasis of Figuig, that could broke free after Morocco's dynastty lost its control of region. (Releasable in 1444? or after 1500s)
3. Oran: Emirate of Oran which was dependent to Tlemcen. (releasable after 1500s)
As you can see
1509 – City occupied by Spanish forces.
1556 – Siege of Oran (1556) by Ottoman forces.
1563 – Sieges of Oran and Mers El Kébir by Ottoman forces.
It was somewhat autonomous city cause of outer interventions. Could be nice releasable.
4. Zenatas: These were Berber tribes of Chaoui people. Could be added. (releasable in 1444) (These might be vassal of Tunis in 1444 or broke free? Needs to be researched)
5. Zab: The Zab Emirate was a short lived emirate around 1400 in the highlands and desert fringes of what is today eastern Algeria. (releasable in 1444)
6. Berber Lordship of the Ouarsenis: It is hard for me to find information about this one sadly, maybe could be found in french (releasable?)
7. Béjaïa (or Bougie): Just another pirate lordship within Barbary coast: (possibly releasable by event after 1555?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Béjaïa
After a Spanish occupation (1510–55), the city was taken by the Ottoman Turks in the Capture of Bougie in 1555. For nearly three centuries, Béjaïa was a stronghold of the Barbary pirates (see Barbary States). The city consisted of Arabic-speaking Moors, Moriscos and Jews increased by Jewish refugees from Spain, with the Berber peoples not in the city but occupying the surrounding villages and travelling to the city occasionally for the market days.
8. Bizerte (or Bizerta): This was also pirate stronghold under Tunisia that could be added: (possibly releasable as vassal by event around later 1500s?)
The town originated as a Phoenician outpost and was known through Carthaginian and Roman times as Hippo Diarrhytus or Hippo Zarytus. Captured in 661 CE by Muʿāwiyah ibn Ḥudayj, it was given the name Bizerte. It was occupied by the Spanish from 1535 to 1572 but later became a privateering stronghold.
9. Kingdom of Kuku (Koukou)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kuku
The Kingdom of Kuku (Kingdom of Koukou) was a medieval Berber kingdom that ruled over much of greater Kabylia. It was established around 1515. The polity's realm stretched from the Atlas Mountains to the southern plains of Algiers. Its capital was located at Kuku, which sat on a promontory with around 15,000 inhabitants. The kingdom had forces consisting of 5,000 musqueteers and 1,500 cavalrymen. Kuku was one of two major Kabyle kingdoms, the other being the Kingdom of Ait Abbas.
10. Sijilmasa
Kingdom of Sjiilmasa was dependent to Morocco around 1600s. (Releasable after 1600s)

All countries I have added are also on euratlas maps:
https://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1500/1500_Southwest.html
https://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1400/1400_Southwest.html

There were more Berber tribes which I cannot find much information that could be releasable I am listing:
Beni Snassen
Tha'alibas
Beni Amour
Oulaid Nail
Oulaid Sidi Sheikh
Dawawidas
Hananeshas
Marabout Brotherhood of the Shabbiyas
Ghadamès
Nemenchas

And fix:
Kingdom of Ait Abbas: This is added as Kabylia in game, I think name should be changed and flag should be added:
The kingdom of the Ait Abbas or sultanate of the Beni Abbas, is a former berber state of North Africa, then a fief and a principality, controlling Lesser Kabylie and its surroundings from the sixteenth century to the nineteenth century. It is referred to in the Spanish historiography as "reino de Labes"; sometimes more commonly referred to by its ruling family, the Mokrani, in Berber At Muqran, Ouled Moqrane. Its capital was the Kalâa of Ait Abbas, an impregnable citadel in the Biban mountain range.

This is a map and list created by reddit user using euroatlas, could be useful for province/tag creating
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MPseyPmMGwahS_Bf2ldkTf8piAIPDsju0SXmW7yXxLk/edit#gid=0

Morocco Sultanate Independent
Tetouan State Moroccan Substate
Chefchaouen State Moroccan Substate
Taza State Moroccan Substate
Debdou Viceroyalty Moroccan Substate
Meggeo Tribe Moroccan Substate
Hintata State Moroccan Substate
Tadla State Moroccan Substate
Jebel Lekhder State Moroccan Substate
Beni Snassen Tribe Independent
Tlemcen Sultanate Independent
Oran Emirate Tlemceni Substate
Tha'aliba Tribe Independent
Algiers Emirate Independent
Kuko Sultanate Independent
Labbes Sultanate Independent
Bougie Lordship Independent
Zenatas Tribe Independent
Hafsids Caliphate Independent
Bizerte Lordship Hafsid Substate
Tripoli Emirate Independent
Beni Sulaym Tribe Independent

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After I expanded this thread to include other regions like Irish pirates in Mayo and Adriatic pirates in Senj, I have come up with more data!
@neondt

1. Jean Lafitte's pirate nations: Barataria and Campaches (around 1800s):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Lafitte
https://nautiluslive.org/blog/2014/04/08/discover-galvestons-hidden-pirate-history
http://www.storyvilledistrictnola.com/lafitte.html
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/lafitte-empire-barataria-bay.html

Latiffe founded pirate base first in Barataria Island and later Galveston Island:

a. The US ordered an attack on Lafitte's colony. On September 13, 1814 Commodore Daniel Patterson set sail aboard the USS Carolina for Barataria. (First colony was Barataria, annexed by USA)
b. Lafitte essentially developed Galveston Island as another smuggling base. Like Barataria, Galveston was a seaward island that protected a large inland bay. As part of Mexico, it was outside the authority of the United States, and was largely uninhabited, except by Native American Karankawa. Texas itself had little population at this time, and the base had no significant populations nearby, so it (at least initially) was relatively free of scrutiny from any of the governments in the region. Lafitte named his colony Campeche, after a Mexican outpost further south along the Gulf Coast. His men tore down the existing houses and built 200 new, sturdier structures. Ships operating from Galveston flew the flag of Mexico, but they did not participate in the revolution. Lafitte wanted to avoid a Spanish invasion. Aury returned to Galveston several months later, but he left in July when he realized that the men were unwilling to revolt. In less than a year, Lafitte's colony grew to 100–200 men and several women. Lafitte interviewed all newcomers and required them to take a loyalty oath to him. The headquarters was a two-story building facing the inland harbor, where landings were made. The building was surrounded by a moat and painted red; it became known as Maison Rouge. Lafitte conducted most business aboard his ship, The Pride, where he also lived. Lafitte created "letters of marque" from an imaginary nation to "authorize" all the ships sailing from Galveston as privateers. The letters gave the ships "permission" to attack ships from all nations. At its peak the colony had more than two thousand inhabitants and 120 separate structures. Annual income reached more than $2 million ($32 million in today's terms) in stolen currency and goods. Lafitte for a time lived a lavish lifestyle complete with servants and the finest housewares and other accoutrements. (Second colony, Campaches)

This is a bit late game but I believe deserves pirate government assigned.

2. Sō clan in Tsushima (Wokou pirates) (1444 start)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wokou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sō_clan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ōei_Invasion

a. Records report that the main camps of the early wokou were the island of Tsushima, Iki Island, and the Gotō Islands.
b. Sō clan (Sō-shi) were a Japanese clan claiming descent from Taira Tomomori. The clan governed and held Tsushima Island from the 13th-century through the late 19th-century, from the Kamakura period until the end of the Edo period and the Meiji restoration. In 1587, Toyotomi Hideyoshi confirmed the clan's possession of Tsushima. In the struggles which followed Hideyoshi's death, the clan sided with the Tokugawa; however, they did not participate in the decisive battles which preceded the establishment of the Tokugawa shogunate. The descendants of tozama Sō Yoshitoshi (1568–1615) remained at Tsushima-Fuchū Domain (100,000 koku) in Tsushima Province until the abolition of the han system . The head of this clan line was ennobled as a "Count" in 1884.
c. The Ōei Invasion known as the Gihae Eastern Expedition in Korea, was a 1419 invasion from Joseon against pirate bases on Tsushima Island, which is located in the middle of the Tsushima Strait between the Korean Peninsula and Kyushu
d. Joseon also asked the Ashikaga Shogunate and its deputy on Kyūshū to suppress the activity of the pirates, favoring legitimate traders. In exchange for certain privileges, it gave authority to Sō Sadashige over ships sailing from Japan to Korea (Sō clan was the de facto ruler of Tsushima Province). After his death, the power was seized from Sadashige's infant son Sadamori (Tsutsukumaru) by Soda Saemontarō, a powerful pirate leader. Suffering from famine, pirates on Tsushima invaded Ming China in 1419. On the way to China, they raided Korea's Chungcheong and Hwanghae provinces after their requests for food were dismissed. After receiving reports of these incidents, the Korean court proposed an invasion of Tsushima. On June 9, 1419, King Taejong declared a war against Tsushima, citing that it belong to Joseon (Ōei Invasion), it resulted in conquered Tsushima Island. And following negotiations with Korea, the Sō clan agreed to make efforts to stop coastal pirate raids in exchange for limited trading privileges and access to three coastal Korean ports.
e. From roughly the 1430s to the 1550s, the clan worked towards independence, its sights set on gaining true control of Tsushima, and on establishing friendly relations with Joseon Dynasty Korea. The first of these goals was attained through a reversal of fate in which the Shōni came to rely upon the Sō for military aid against the Ōuchi. Sō Sadamori and his younger brother Sō Morikuni helped to defeat the Ōuchi over ten times, and in doing so deepened their clan's relationship with the traders and merchants of Hakata, one of Kyūshū's major ports. Being based on the mountainous island, the Sō clan heavily relied on trade with Korea. Fortunately, the Sō clan shared mutual interests with the Joseon Dynasty. In 1443, the Daimyō of Tsushima, Sō Sadamori proposed a Gyehae treaty. The number of trade ships from Tsushima to Korea was decided by this treaty, and the Sō clan monopolized the trade with Korea.[4] The Sō were required to greatly reduce the number of pirate attacks on Korea, and in return would be granted a virtual monopoly on Japanese trade with their neighbors on the peninsula. This would later lead to the emergence of the Sō as one of the major clans in Japan, their wealth and power from trade more than making up for their small territory and submissive position vis-a-vis Korea.

Tsushima island should be new province here and new daimyo (named Sō) under Ashikaga as sources clearly tell they beat Ouchi numerous times. Island was home to famous Japanese Wokou pirates (their ruler is known as pirate) but their facilities decreased after Korean invasion. But I still believe this small daimyo should have "raid" option. Or just having Korea as their rival should bring event to make "raids" available.

3. Geuzen (Beggars) - Sea Beggars (1500s)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Brielle

a. Geuzen (English: the Beggars) was a name assumed by the confederacy of Calvinist Dutch nobles and other malcontents, who from 1566 opposed Spanish rule in the Netherlands. The most successful group of them operated at sea, and so were called Watergeuzen (English: Sea Beggars). In the Eighty Years' War, the Capture of Brielle by the Watergeuzen in 1572 provided the first foothold on land for the rebels, who would conquer the northern Netherlands and establish an independent Dutch Republic. They can be considered either as privateers or pirates, depending on the circumstances or motivations.
b. These fierce privateers under the command of a succession of daring and reckless leaders, the best-known of whom is William de la Marck, Lord of Lumey, were called "Sea Beggars", or "Watergeuzen" in Dutch. At first they were content to merely plunder both by sea and land, and carrying their booty to the English ports where they were able to refit and replenish their stores. However, in 1572, Queen Elizabeth I of England abruptly refused to admit the Sea Beggars to her harbours. No longer having refuge, they made a desperate attack upon Brielle, which they seized by surprise in the absence of the Spanish garrison on April 1, 1572. Encouraged by this surprising success, they now sailed to Flushing, which was also taken by a coup de main. The capture of these two towns prompted several nearby towns to declare for revolt, starting a chain reaction that resulted in the majority of Holland joining in a general revolt of the Netherlands, and is regarded as the real beginning of Dutch independence. In 1573 the Sea Beggars defeated a Spanish squadron under the command of Admiral Bossu off the port of Hoorn in the Battle on the Zuiderzee. Mixing with the native population, they quickly sparked rebellions against "the Iron Duke" in town after town and spread the resistance southward. Some of the forefathers of the great Dutch naval heroes began their naval careers as Sea Beggars, such as Evert Heindricxzen, the grandfather of Cornelis Evertsen the Elder. Many Geuzen medals were awarded.
c. In 1569 William of Orange, who had now openly placed himself at the head of the party of revolt, granted letters of marque to a number of vessels manned by crews of desperadoes drawn from all nationalities. Eighteen ships received letters of marque, which were equipped by Louis of Nassau in the French Huguenot port of La Rochelle, which they continued to use as a base. By the end of 1569, already 84 Sea Beggars ships were in action.

I believe this specific revolt movement should be included in game as they started Dutch rebellion even capturing lands. And they were supported by French. Could come up with "raid" option. But here situation is bit different as they were targeting Spain. Not sure about its implementation.

4. Moro pirates (Sulu) (1444 start)
http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/11766475
https://historyofsulu.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/moro-pirates/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_the_Sulu_Sea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish–Moro_conflict

a. The Moro Pirates, also known as the Sulu Pirates, were Muslim outlaws of the southern Philippines who engaged in frequent acts of piracy, primarily against the Spanish, beginning in the late 16th century. Because of the continual wars between Spain and the Moro people, the areas in and around the Sulu Sea became a haven for piracy which was not suppressed until the beginning of the 20th century. The pirates should not be confused with the naval forces or privateers of the various Moro tribes. However, many of the pirates operated under government saction during time of war.
b. The Sultanate of Sulu became notorious for its so-called "Moro Raids" or acts of piracy directed towards Spanish Settlements in the Visayan areas with the aim of capturing slaves and other goods from these coastal towns. The Tausug pirates used boats known as Proas which varied in design and were much lighter than the Spanish Galleons and could easily out-sail these ships, they often carried large swivel guns or Lantaka and also carried a crew of pirates from different ethnic groups throughout Sulu such as Iranums, Bajaus and Tausugs alike. By the 18th century, the Sulu pirates had become the virtual masters of the Sulu seas and the surrounding areas, wreaking havoc on Spanish settlements. This prompted the Spaniards to build a number of fortifications across the Visayan islands of Cebu and Bohol, Churches were built on higher ground and watchtowers were built along coastlines to warn of impending raids. The maritime supremacy of Sulu wasn't directly controlled by the Sultan, independent Datus and warlords waged their own wars against the Spaniards and even with the Capture of Jolo on numerous occasions by the Spaniards, other settlements like Maimbung, Banguingui and Tawi-Tawi were used as assembly areas and hideouts for pirates. The Sultanate's control over the Sulu seas was at its height around the late 17th to early 18th centuries were Moro raids became very common for the Visayans and Spaniards. In Sulu and in the Mindanao interior, the slave trade flourished and majority of these slaves that were being imported and exported were of Bisaya ethnicity, the term "Bisaya" eventually became synonymous to "slave" in these areas. Its maritime supremacy over the Spaniards, at the time, the Spaniards acquired Steam-powered ships that began to curb Muslim piracy in the region, the Moro piratical raids began to decrease in number until Governor Narciso Clavería launched the Balanguingui expedition to crush the pirate settlements there, effectively ending the moro pirate raids. By the last quarter of the 19th century, Moro pirates had virtually disappeared and the maritime influence of the Sultanate became dependent on the Chinese Junk trade.
d. For three centuries, intermittent attempts were made by the Spaniards to destroy the homes of tihe Moro pirates, who, almost without exception, raided the Spanish colonies throughout the Philippine Islands, south of Luzon, and even occasionally on that island.

Sulu ideas are somewhat ok but could be improved by more naval/pirate modifiers and "raid" option should be added to their country.

Even more to it:
5. Tungning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Tungning
a. Zheng Chenggong, Prince of Yanping (14 June 1661 – 23 June 1662), better known internationally by his Hokkien honorific Koxinga or Coxinga was a Chinese Ming loyalist who resisted the Qing conquest of China in the 17th century, fighting them on China's southeastern coast. In 1661, Koxinga defeated the Dutch outposts on Formosa, and established a dynasty, the House of Koxinga, which ruled the island as the Kingdom of Tungning from 1661 to 1683.
b. "During this period the raids of the Moros continued. These pirates did much damage. This led to efforts on the part of Spain to conquer these warlike people, which resulted in the conquest of Jolo and the establishment of a stronghold at Zamboanga. In 1662 Koxinga, a Chinese pirate, demanded the surrender of Manila. This danger was so great that the Spaniards concentrated all their efforts to resist the threatened invasions and abandoned some of their strongholds in the south. The Chinese in Manila were suspected of feeing in the plot. They assaulted Manila but many were slain and the remainder left the city. The threatened invasion never was carried out for Koxinga died. The effects of the events cited above left Spanish prestige at a low ebb. Manila was no longer the principal commercial centre of the East and never again recovered that position. The century that followed from 1663-1762 has been described as one of obscurity for the Philippines."
c. "Another event of importance during the seventeenth century resulted from the overthrow of the Ming Dynasty in China by the Manchus. During the change of power and consequent disorders there, a Chinese adventurer, Koxinga, raised a pirate army in south China and drove the Dutch out of Formosa. He then sent an ambassador to Manila demanding the surrender of the Islands to him. The colony was weak and unprepared for defense, and consequently terrified. There were twenty-five thousand Chinese living in Pari-an, north of the Pasig River, in Manila. Fearful lest these Chinese cooperate in the designs of Koxinga, they were all ordered to leave the Islands. Unable to do so at once, and fearful of massacre, they arose in rebellion and assaulted the city of Manila. The result was a terrible massacre, which cost the lives of twenty-two thousand of the Chinese; the remaining three thousand built frail boats and fled to Formosa. The death of Koxinga occurred before his expedition reached the Philippines."
d. The Sulu Sultanate was also saved due to Koxinga, the Span ish had left La Caldera Fort

This country should be included as event to appear at Taiwan after foreigner colonies arrive. It also affected se asia, and used pirates. They even resisted Manchu Qing in mainland.

6. Cantonese Pirate Coalition (Ching Shih & Zheng Yi) (Red Flag Fleet) (late 1700s)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_South_China_Coast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/ching-shih-prostitute-pirate-lord-002582
https://www.historychannel.com.au/t...-becomes-one-of-worlds-most-powerful-pirates/
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-chinese-female-pirate-who-commanded-80000-outlaws

a. The fleet under her command established hegemony over many coastal villages, in some cases even imposing levies and taxes on settlements. According to Robert Antony, Ching Shih "robbed towns, markets, and villages, from Macau to Canton." In one coastal village, the Sanshan village, they beheaded 80 men and abducted their women and children and held them for ransom until they were sold in slavery. In January 1808, the Chinese government tried to destroy her fleet in a series of fierce battles. However Ching Shih managed to pillage and take over the government ships. The government had to revert to only using fishing vessels for battle. At the same time that the government was attacking her, Ching Shih faced a larger threat in the form of other pirate fleets. One in particular was O-po-tae, a former allied-pirate who began working with the Qing government, that forced them to retreat from the coast. For years, the Red Flag Fleet under Ching Shih's rule could not be defeated, neither by Qing dynasty Chinese officials nor by Portuguese or British bounty hunters. She captured Richard Glasspoole, an officer of the East India Company ship The Marquis of Ely, and seven British sailors in 1809. In September and November 1809, Ching Shih and Cheung Po Tsai fleet suffered a series of defeats inflicted by the Portuguese Navy at the Battle of the Tiger's Mouth and there was no way they would be able to hold out forever. In their final battle in the Naval Battle of Chek Lap Kok on January 1810, they surrendered to the Portuguese Navy in January 21 and later accepted an amnesty offered by the Qing Imperial government to all pirates who agreed to surrender, ending their career and allowed to keep the loot that same year. This amnesty allowed only 60 pirates to be banished, 151 to be exiled, and only 126 to be put to death out of her whole fleet of 17,318 pirates. The remaining pirates only had to surrender their weapons. Cheung Po Tsai changed back to his former name, and was capitulated to the Qing Dynasty government. He became a captain in the Qing's Guangdong navy.
b. Ching Shih’s fleet took leadership over many coastal villages, sometimes even imposing levies and taxes on the villages. These coastal villages stretched from Macau to Canton.
c. Once she held the fleet's leadership position, Ching Shih started the task of uniting the fleet by issuing a code of laws. The Neumann translation of The History of Pirates Who Infested the China Sea claims that it was Cheung Po Tsai that issued the code] Yuan Yung-lun says that Cheung issued his own code of three regulations, called san-t'iao, for his own fleet, but these are not known to exist in a written form. The code was very strict and according to Richard Glasspoole, strictly enforced.

I think this should appear as pirate nation around late 1700s, as they were very powerful according to sources.



Also Janjira/Habsan (which was somewhat piratical) should be made more likely to appear and has historical friendship/influence with Ottomans and Aceh. All of them use good old known Turkish flag so influence is obvious:

According to here Janjira (called Habsan in game which can appear by event) had good relations with Ottomans and Aceh, could also be included in tree:

According to Ottoman records, a combined force from the Ottomans and Janjira routed a Portuguese fleet in 1587 at Yemen. From this moment onwards Janjira played an important role in resisting Portuguese influence in the region. There's further record of Cooperation with the Ottoman Empire when the Ottoman fleet first arrived in Aceh prior to Ottoman expedition to Aceh has included 200 Malabar sailors from Janjira State to aid the region Batak and the Maritime Southeast Asia in 1539 According to one records at one time Sultan Aurangzeb supplied the Siddis of Janjira state with 2,000 men, provisions, ammunitions along with two Frigates and two large Man-of-war battleships. The ship arrived at Bombay harbor under the commands of Siddi Kasim and Siddi Sambal at 1677. The largest Mughal ship named Ganj-I-Sawai Which equipped with 800 guns and 400 musketeer type soldiers also stationed in the port of Surat. Another record from East India Company factory which written 1673 has reported the Siddis fleet which wintered from Bombay has five Frigates and two Man-of-wars beside of fifteen grabs vessels. It is because the formidable naval warfare skills of Siddis in Janjira that Aurangzeb granting annual payment of 400.000 Rupee for the maintenance of their fleet.

 

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https://www.history.com/news/6-famous-pirate-strongholds

more info about pirate haven in Barataria
Barataria Bay
The swampy islands surrounding Barataria Bay, Louisiana, once served as a sanctuary and safe harbor for the famed pirate-turned-patriot Jean Laffite. In the early 19th century, Laffite and his brother Pierre led a syndicate of thieves who terrorized shipping in the Gulf of Mexico. Working as privateers for the upstart Republic of Cartagena, Laffite’s buccaneers plundered Spanish merchant vessels and then smuggled stolen goods and slaves into New Orleans. By the 1810s, their illegal colony at Barataria Bay had grown into one of the busiest black market ports in all of North America. Between 500 and 1,000 marauders frequented the area, and more than a dozen pirate ships regularly occupied its harbor.

In 1814, Laffite famously interrupted his pirate activity to play an unlikely role in the War of 1812. After receiving an offer from the British—who hoped to use Barataria as a point of access to New Orleans—Laffite instead offered his services to the United States in exchange for clemency for his past misdeeds. Laffite and his followers went on to serve with distinction in the Battle of New Orleans under future President Andrew Jackson, and he was rewarded with a full pardon. But despite winning a clean slate, Laffite would not stay away from a life of crime for long. He later led his men to Texas and formed yet another pirate haven on Galveston Island.

 

[withche.07]

Fix: Banu Sulaym is already existed in game as Fezzan tag's dynasty which I overlooked. But others seem okay. It may take deep research but new tags in maghreb and new piratical tags around world is possible.

 

[withche.07]

Betsimisaraka, possible pirate nation should have chance to activate "may raid coasts" mechanic. @neondt

According to brief information:
https://www.britannica.com/place/Madagascar/History#ref386679
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Betsimisaraka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsimisaraka_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratsimilaho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bety_of_Betsimisaraka

The Betsimisaraka have been historically known as sailors and pirates. In the past, using large canoes that could seat 50 or more, they sailed in fleets of several thousand men and pillaged the Comoro Islands (modern Comoros) northwest of Madagascar. Comoro Islanders were brought back and incorporated into Betsimisaraka society; several clans now trace their ancestry to these captives. The Betsimisaraka were also ardent fishermen and whalers and served as sailors on European vessels from an early date.

The eastern ports' strategic position for regional trade attracted the heaviest settlement of Europeans to this portion of the island, particularly including British and American pirates whose numbers dramatically increased from the 1680s to the 1720s along the coast from modern day Antsiranana in the north to Nosy Boraha and Foulpointe to the east. Intermarriage between these European pirates and the daughters of local chiefs produced a large mixed population termed zana-malata.

As we can see, Ratsimilaho is unique person and Betsimisaraka might have event right after they are discovered by Europeans, that may include them "may raid coasts" modifier.
Their culture became something very mixed after region was heavily populated by pirates.

Actually there is connection between Libertatia and Betsimisaraka as Ratsimilaho was son of Thomas Tew.
This island was pirate nest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Île_Sainte-Marie
https://www.madamagazine.com/en/piratenfriedhof-st-pierre/

There is a book about pirate kings of Betsimisaraka but sadly I cannot read cause it takes paid membership on scribd:
https://scribd.com/book/350207675/F...dagascar-and-the-Provisioning-Trade-1600-1800
Writer is talking about her book here:
https://timetoeatthedogs.com/2018/03/13/the-history-of-madagascar-in-trade-and-exploration/

I just believe Libertatia might be made easier to form with them or maybe even achievement could be added.

 

[withche.07]

Great advice from fellow forum member about Tsushima, So clan and Wokou pirates. It should become new province and possibly raidable daimyo there, it should be able to become pirate nation in my opinion.

I think it would interesting to have the So clan of Tsushima. Tsushima Island was an important factor in Korea-Japan relations, and was a strategic point between the Korean peninsula and the Japanese main islands. When the Mongols invaded Japan, Tsushima was the first place they invaded. The So clan also had a trade monopoly in Japan with Joseon Korea. Japanese warlord, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, used this island as a naval base for his invasions into Korean in the Imjin War. Tsushima was a haven for the wokou pirates, and was once invaded by the Joseon Dynasty, for its habouring of pirates. I don't think that the So clan should start out as a pirate nation right away, though.

 

[JosephConrad]

Great advice from fellow forum member about Tsushima, So clan and Wokou pirates. It should become new province and possibly raidable daimyo there, it should be able to become pirate nation in my opinion.

Raiding Daimyo's sound like an amazing play-through.

 

[withche.07]

Thanks @JosephConrad as fellow @EasternTiger stated, it shouldn't start right away with pirate government/or raiding. As far as I now it was daimyo, belonging to Shogun...
But lot of events involving both Korea and Japan could be implemented here, about privateering bonuses at 1444, events for installing "raid coasts modifier" (if you keep supporting Wokou pirates), and easier pirate government if you give huge autonomy to Wokou pirates.

 

[withche.07]

You guys can remember I have written about Wokou pirates on couple prior posts. I have found more information about them on wikipedia. @EasternTiger @balmung60
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...hould-let-you-become-pirate-republic.1139897/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Zhi_(pirate)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuangyu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiajing_wokou_raids

Shuangyu was a port on Liuheng Island off the coast of Zhejiang, China. During the 16th century, the port served as an illegal entrepôt of international trade, attracting traders from Japan, Southeast Asia, and Portugal in a time when private overseas trade was banned by China's ruling Ming dynasty. Portuguese sources called the place Liampó, taking the name of the nearby city of Ningbo on the mainland. Shuangyu's days as a smuggling hub and pirate haven began as early as 1524 and lasted until its destruction by the Ming navy in 1548, an event that was greatly exaggerated (and wrongly dated) by the 16th-century Portuguese travel writer Fernão Mendes Pinto.

In the 16th century, a global demand for Chinese products like silk and porcelain coincided with a high demand of silver in China. However, the premier suppliers of silver in East Asia, the Japanese and the Portuguese, could not legally trade in China to meet the massive demand. At the same time, Chinese merchants were prevented from trading with foreigners due to the Ming dynasty's maritime prohibition laws. To conduct private trade in China, the Japanese and Portuguese traders collaborated with smugglers on island ports along the Zhejiang and Fujian coast. Among these ports, Shuangyu emerged as the primary emporium of clandestine trade, since it was at a reasonable distance from the markets of Ningbo and Hangzhou, but also sufficiently far away from the Ming coast authorities.

The earliest mentions of Shuangyu as a smuggling port notes that the chaos on the Zhejiang coast (a reference to the Ningbo Incident of 1523) caused an overstocking of commodities at Shuangyu in 1524. At first, Shuangyu only had temporary mat-sheds for the smugglers to house themselves and their goods during the trading season. In 1539, Fujianese traders started to guide foreign traders from Patani and Malacca to barter in Shuangyu and started to occupy the island. They were soon joined by the Fujianese merchants Jinzi Lao ("Gold Elder") and Li Guangtou ("Baldy Li"), who led the Portuguese and assorted adventurers to Shuangyu. Attracted by the growing trade on the Zhejiang coast, the syndicate led by Xu Dong and his brothers moved their base of operations from the Malay Peninsula to Shuangyu. The existing clout of the Xu syndicate and its close partnership with the Portuguese made it the foremost smuggling bloc by 1542 after a series of mergers among the merchant-pirates in Shuangyu.

In 1544, Wang Zhi joined the Xu brothers, the heads of a pirate syndicate based in Shuangyu who were also natives of Wang Zhi's home She County. They took notice of Wang Zhi's experience and ability in trade, and so Wang Zhi quickly rose to become their financial supervisor. Later, they made him commander of the armed fleet and councillor on military affairs, and he became revered as Captain Wufeng. Wang Zhi's connection with Japan quickly proved useful to the Xu brothers when in the same year, a Japanese ship on an unofficial tribute mission to China passed by Tanegashima and landed in the Chinese port city Ningbo. This Japanese ship did not carry the proper documents and was refused by the Ningbo officials, and Wang Zhi was able to convince the emissaries to barter their goods illicitly in nearby Shuangyu instead. The next year, Wang Zhi led more Japanese traders to Shuangyu while encouraging Xu Dong, the leader of the Xu brothers, to send his own ships to Japan. Thereafter, Shuangyu became the primary smuggling port for Japanese traders in China.

The Jiajing wokou raids caused extensive damage to the coast of China in the 16th century, during the reign of the Jiajing Emperor (r. 1521–67) in the Ming dynasty. The term "wokou" originally referred to Japanese pirates who crossed the sea and raided Korea and China; however, by the mid-Ming, the wokou consisted of multinational crewmen that included the Japanese and the Portuguese, but a great majority of them were Chinese instead. Mid-Ming wokou activity began to pose a serious problem in the 1540s, reached its peak in 1555, and subsided by 1567, with the extent of the destruction spreading across the coastal regions of Jiangnan, Zhejiang, Fujian, and Guangdong.

Even after his defeat Wang Zhi kept his facilities in Japan as King of Hui:
Wang Zhi soon re-established himself on the Gotō Islands and Hirado, where he had previously set footholds with the connivance of the local daimyō. There Wang Zhi called himself the King of Hui, dressed himself in kingly colours, and surrounded himself with standard-bearers. It was said that in Hirado, Wang Zhi had up to 2,000 workers and owned hundreds of ships. Wang Zhi's influence in Japan grew beyond his bases on the Goto Islands and Hirado as he established contact with hegemons like the Ōtomo clan of Bungo and the Ōuchi clan of Yamaguchi, and his associates were embedded in the court of the Satsuma clan of Kagoshima. Gathering desperados from all over Japan and mixing them into his predominantly Chinese bands, Wang Zhi sent out pirate fleets to raid the coast of the mainland from his island bases. The pirates were called wokou ("Japanese pirates") and the raids become known as the Jiajing wokou raids. The wokou attacks started as swift raids on coastal settlements to obtain provisions and goods for trade, then returned to their ships and left. Eventually, the situation escalated to the point where a pirate raid could number hundreds of ships, defeat garrisons, and besiege district seats. Coastal cities from Korea to Guangdong were affected, and even the relatively inland secondary Ming capital Nanjing was threatened. Wang Zhi might have hoped that by such a show of force the Ming government could be intimidated to legalize private overseas trade, while he always maintained that he never led a raid in person. Be that as it may, the Ming government considered Wang Zhi as the ringleader ultimately responsible for the devastation on the coast, and the Jiajing Emperor ordered for Wang Zhi's capture, dead or alive.
-There he called himself the King of Hui and established good relations not only with the local daimyo Matsura Takanobu, but also with regional hegemons like Ōtomo Sōrin and Ōuchi Yoshitaka

There are great amount of content here that could be implemented in game to indirectly nerf Ming.
This lasted very long so.
By 1567, piracy was no longer seen as a serious threat on the Chinese coast.

I had a very interesting conversation about Wokou pirates with some of our beta testers recently. It's a topic that's on my mind.

I hope pirate syndicate of Shuangyu is gonna be added in game. Not only piracy events for Sō clan in Tsushima.
This sounds very long term affecting historical reality.

 

[withche.07]

I have researched a bit more about Madagascar pirates after Betsimisaraka and found another pirate king of Madagascar, Abraham Samuel (Tolinar Rex):
-Abraham Samuel, also known as "Tolinar Rex," born in Martinique (or possibly in Anosy, Madagascar), was a mulatto pirate of the Indian Ocean in the days of the Pirate Round in the late-1690s. Being shipwrecked on his way back to New York, he briefly led a combined pirate-Antanosy kingdom from Fort Dauphin (see Tolanaro), Madagascar, from 1697 until he died there in 1705.

https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=I_S1D8cnTiEC&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164&dq=abraham+samuel+pirate&source=bl&ots=cUu02J1vXY&sig=ACfU3U3gk2to7RBH8rtjBlEu4hHR8-PsFw&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB_sbkoYnhAhVMY5oKHYaSBwEQ6AEwCXoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=abraham samuel pirate&f=false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Samuel

• 1697 - Captain Hoar returned to Saint Mary's Island, anchoring at Port Mission in February. While there, however, the Malagasy living there rebelled against Adam Baldridge, the retired pirate who was the middleman between the pirates who stopped there and the New York merchants who shipped them gunpowder, guns and other supplies, and in turn bought the booty and slaves they sold. A number of Samuel's fellow pirates, including Captain Hoar, died in this revolt, but now Captain Samuel and other of his pirate colleagues escaped on the John and Rebecca, which by then was in a sorry state.
• 1697 - Captain Samuel and his fellow survivors sail down the east coast of Madagascar on their way home to New York. However, their ship is wrecked (washed ashore when a storm cut the cables or sank after hitting a reef somewhere near what had been the French settlement at Fort Dauphin), so he and those with him occupy the abandoned fort. Not long after this the wife of a deceased Antanosy king who was ruling the area saw the shipwrecked men bathing in the ocean and markings on Captain Samuel's body which she felt were identical to those of her own son, who had been taken away in 1674 by his French dad when the fort was abandoned. She declared Samuel her long-lost son and declared him heir to the Antanosy kingdom in that area. While not true, Samuel accepts this claim and together with at least 45 other shipwrecked pirates, 20 who served as his bodyguards, and with the help of some Antanosy, Samuel subdued the local Antanosy ruler and begins to conduct piracy of ships stopping in the harbor. He also engages in warfare with a neighboring Antanosy kingdom after claiming rule over the old heartland of the Zafiraminy which appeared to have been abandoned. The settlement of Fort Dauphin rivals St. Mary as a trading center for at least a short period of time. While Samuel traded slaves and stolen goods with slavers and pirates alike, he kept close connections with his pirate brethren, authorizing and helping them in the plunder of ships which came to the Anosy region.
• 1699 - 25 additional pirates who were on their way back to America find Fort Dauphin to be such that they choose to join King Samuel.
• - In August John Cruger (senior), who later became Mayor of New York city in the mid-18th century, was seeking slaves for the Prophet Daniel's trip back to New York from Madagascar stopped in Fort Dauphin. He accompanied King Samuel on a journey 25 miles inland from Fort Dauphin to Samuel's country residence where he stayed for two days, all in order to obtain 100 slaves. While he was away, Pirate Evan Jones, Captain of the Beckford Galley dropped anchor in Fort Dauphin alongside Cruger's slaver, the Prophet Daniel. Jones had the crew of the slaver take him ashore where he got them drunk, then continuing the party aboard his own ship. However at 9 pm that evening he and his crew assaulted the crew of the slaver and then captured and looted their ship, taking its money, rigging and anything else the pirates wanted. John Cruger, having rushed back to Fort Dauphin after hearing his ship had been captured by pirates, first had several of King Samuel's soldiers shoot at both ships with their muskets. With no results after two days of this, he then asked for two soldiers to swim out and cut the anchor cables of both ships so they would drift ashore. However Samuel at this point ordered his 300 warriors and 15 war canoes to not meddle in this disagreement between these two New Yorkers, in part because he had been promised a "pourboire" (reward) for his protection of them. This was the ship the Prophet Daniel along with 55 slaves and 49 small arms. Samuel in turn sold this ship to Edward Woodman and three other pirates for 1,400 pieces of eight, signing the document which detailed their purchase as "King of Fort Dauphin, Tollannare, Farrawe, Fanquest, and Fownzahíra." When John Cruger protested this, Samuel confiscated the property he had brought to shore which included 22 casks of gunpowder and a set of sails. At this point the captain of the Prophet Daniel and two of his crewman also decided to become pirates (Zacks, 2002). This was one of 3 ships taken by surprise when they stopped in port during this time, all of which were looted "down to the keel" (p. 413). Not surprisingly, very few ships stopped at Fort Dauphin for several years after this happened. These captured ships brought in silver and other goods from overseas, including iron cooking pots which appear to have replaced the traditional ceramic pots which the Antanosy had made up to this time.
• - In November Samuel assessed an American slaver which passed through Fort Dauphin £100 for a trading license.
• 1700 - Captain Littleton, of the English Royal Navy, invited King Samuel and two of his wives to dine with him aboard his ship. Littleton reported Samuel was much loved by the Malagasy.
• 1701 - Robert Drury (sailor) indicated the Captain of the sinking ship he was on chose not to anchor at "Port Dauphine" as one of his sailors who "knew the land" said "the king of that part of the island ["King Samuel"] was at enmity with all white men, and treated all the Europeans he met with very barbarously" (Defoe et al., 1891, p. 44). (Drury later indicated it was only French the Malagasy considered enemies,as they had done some kind of "injury" to him.) (p. 45)
• - Drury indicated "Deaan Tuley-Noro, king of Antenosa" [Antanosy], had marched into "Anterndroea" (Androy), demanding satisfaction from the Antandroy king for the murder of several white men. Drury also indicated quite a few sailors he knew at that time had been freely living in "Port Dauphine" for 2.5 years, waiting for a ship to stop by which they could leave on (p. 94).
• 1705 - In latter part of this year, in spite of being in poor health, King Samuel led his troops into battle against a neighboring petty kingdom. He died two months later and his kingdom ends with his death. The remaining pirates vanish soon thereafter, their fate unknown.

In 1697 there could be pirate kingdom, emerging in province Antanosy,
There was rather sweet rivalry between other pirates in St Mary:
The settlement of Fort Dauphin rivals St. Mary as a trading center for at least a short period of time. While Samuel traded slaves and stolen goods with slavers and pirates alike, he kept close connections with his pirate brethren

 

[withche.07]

There is cool video about Ching Shih's career and her pirate confederation on youtube, if you are interested:

It includes a map showing which territories she held until she made agreement with government.

 

[withche.07]

One more information link about Wokou pirates and their facilities in 1555 (bases included)
http://factsanddetails.com/japan/cat16/sub107/entry-5320.html

 

[withche.07]

Update:
According to latest diary Japanese So clan is going to be added with possibility of pirate government (representing Wokou pirate base)

Also Tungning is gonna be added in Taiwan but I guess it won't have pirate mechanics.

Still good thou

Raiding Daimyo's sound like an amazing play-through.

You got what you asked for

 

[Scorpene]

@withche.07 i strongly disagree with your post (ill explain why below), but i respect your dedication to it.


Its true that barbary should exist, as it was important for the TL (and the one of Victoria, as the main Reason the European broke in north africa was the necessity to crush those… slavers harbors) . Here comes a link, its in French as the English one is rather poor and undocumented : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expédition_de_Djidjelli

Yet i disagree on the "pirate state" thing. Obviously, "pirate state" is Nothing except fan service in the EUIV universe, yet calling northern african actual country of the period "pirate state" is both a lie and an insult to the people that lived, built and trade there.
Those "states" had things to propose outside from piracy -mainly led by foreigners, as you correclty state- and their country and culture wasnt defined by piracy. They were the last heirs of the great Massinissa, and were destroyed by both Otto and Frenchspanish people.

Whats more, and unlike Nassau, or the Wokou pirates you legitimately can call pirate states, barbary "countries" were mainly a non-muslim slaves and sexslave market, which is kind of different and difficult to sell as "fan service".

However, its clear that piracy, looting, and ransacking need more importance in EU, mainly through events. It is one of the main Reason first Professional navies were first established. And Professional navies have a key role in the "Universalisation" of Europe.

I humbly tried to propose some "corsairs" gameplay in EU (in this topic => https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...er-commander-complete-naval-overhaul.1163150/ ); and i guess some events / mechanics for barbary should be proposed too in this big topic, so it groups every proposition concerning naval update.

TL;DR, i support your idea of adding content in EU Mediterranean naval warfare, but i disagree on limiting to "piracy and slaving"(which is what pirate state do to me) the berber northern africa.

 

[Greece stronk]

Sayyida al Hurra, Islamic pirate queen

More info:
http://www.amazingwomeninhistory.com/sayyida-al-hurra-islamic-pirate-queen/
http://www.thewayofthepirates.com/famous-pirates/sayyida-al-hurra/
http://www.thathistorynerd.com/2018/01/damn-girl-sayyida-al-hurra.html
Sayyida al Hurra was one of the most famous female pirates of all time and a very important figure in the modern age of western Islam. She operated in the western Mediterranean during the height of the Corsair age, allying herself with the famous Turkish pirate captain and corsair Barbarossa of Algiers. She also managed to retain the title of the queen after her husband died, which made her last queen in the history of Islam who managed to rule dependently.

Some historians speculate that she was accepted as a female ruler by the other Muslims because of the strong tradition of female leaders from her homeland of Andalusia, but others believe that she was respected simply because of her successful abilities as the pirate leader.


Other famous Barbary corsairs

• Kemal Reis (c. 1451–1511)
• Gedik Ahmed Pasha (died 1482)
• Sinan Reis (died 1546)
• Piri Reis (died 1554 or 1555)
• Turgut Reis (1485–1565)
• Sinan Pasha (died 1553)
• Kurtoğlu Muslihiddin Reis (1487–c. 1535)
• Kurtoğlu Hızır Reis
• Salih Reis (c. 1488–1568)
• Seydi Ali Reis (1498–1563)
• Piyale Pasha (c. 1515–1578)
• Raïs Hamidou (1773–1815)
• Uluç Ali Reis (1519–1587)
• Ali Bitchin (c. 1560–1645)
• Simon de Danser or Simon Reis (c. 1579–c. 1611)
• Salomo de Veenboer or Sulayman Reis (died 1620)
• Murat Reis the Elder (c. 1534–1638)
• Murat Reis the Younger (c. 1570–after 1641)

Alright, I'm very late, but there's something I've noticed. That's not Sayyida al Hurra in the picture, it's Laskarina Bouboulina, a very cool female pirate/admiral herself.

 

[withche.07]

@Scorpene By the way Barbary states arent pirate states in eu4, as you said. They only have raid mechanic. Not government. (Which is good and realistic)

Only Barbary nation which we could say pirate state was Salé as it was literally controlled by Moorish/Morisco and they eliminated local lords to choose European renegado pirate as their ruler: Jan Janszoon. This didn't happen naturally, Ottoman supported Bey of Algiers, Barbarossa directly supported piracy to get shares. In game Salé doesnt have core in that province as far as I remember, so it never appears without event. Pirate state was actually Ottoman's strategy to disrupt Catholic nations.

Even Tetouan as releasable nation doesnt have pirate government in 1444. It gets with certain events triggered by Moor immigration. In real Tetouan's queen was also ally of Barbarossa according to sources I found. (It actually should be triggered by Ottomans but anyways this way is acceptable)

We both agree on naval gameplay to be more effectual. I will check that thread. Thanks for friendly criticism.
I think devs chose Maghreb as exception because its cities were nearly all pirate nests until USA eliminated it totally.
By the way there are also my suggestions with pirates around Madagascar, SEA, China/Japan etc. Devs already added couple of different nations around the world that are realistic like Palembang.

@Greece stronk Thanks for warning, as its not easy to find portraits for such unknown figures so it might be mistake in source Picture depicting Jan Janszoon isnt himself as well but just default renegado.

 

[Scorpene]

@withche.07 As stated, i absolutely agree with you gameplay wize. We just disagree on the fact of Calling those states "Pirate States", as in EUIV it means Nassau like "states". But there is a lot of work to be done, and events to create that could easily give so much flavour to the game. We owe you big things in the add of Woku pirates, which means we owe you things when playing Korea and Japan.

I just have an hard time, as an admirator of Berberic cultures (before colonization of Ottomans and French / Spanish) to see them sumed up as pirate republic. Even if i dont doubt you personnaly know they were not. I'm uneased with the idea.
Ill delete my "respectfully disagree" as even if i mean them, i understand that some people see them as dislikes.

 

[withche.07]

I saw this on national geographic.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2018/12/pirate-maps-all-over-the-map/

One of the most valuable treasures they seized was not gold or silver, but an atlas of Spanish sailing charts

And asked myself why this doesn't happen more with naval gameplay?

 

[Sete]

Shiver mi timbers. Since we talking about pirates:

Bartolomeu Português (16??-16??) was a Portuguese buccaneer who attacked Spanish shipping in the late 1660s; he also established one of the earliest sets of rules popularly known in pirate lore as "the Pirate's Code"

But i heard the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" .

 

[holyvigil]

Not for 1.28, Irish pirates weren't really on my radar. There's a Women in History event for her though (written as 'Gráinne Ní Mháille'). I'll tie that into the pirate mechanics at some point, she sounds very interesting

It would be nice if you were a pirate government if that event pops up for you you could make her a leader. European pirates in general sound interesting.